But I was responding to comicsforever’s post, which (I think) is saying that it’s all meant to be in the same, main timeline. It has to be one or either, not both!
I can see why some fans would be confused by the ending. For anyone that's confused, Steve goes back and gets together with Peggy which creates a completely new timeline but it doesn't effect the main MCU timeline. The old Steve is from the another timeline. So I'm assuming that Cap somehow managed to between timelines, or multiverses, to bring the shield to Falcon.
Got tickets booked to see it again this Tuesday!! This time my daughters and father-in-law will be joining us! I'm hoping I like it better than I did the first time.
I can see why some fans would be confused by the ending. For anyone that's confused, Steve goes back and gets together with Peggy which creates a completely new timeline but it doesn't effect the main MCU timeline. The old Steve is from the another timeline. So I'm assuming that Cap somehow managed to between timelines, or multiverses, to bring the shield to Falcon.
That's a good point. I'm assuming that he had help from Hank Pym and Howard Stark from that alternate timeline but it's just speculation on my part. When and how long he stayed in the main timeline is a mystery.
Hey guys. Seen the movie twice and loving it! Although i feel there are moments where i find it rather odd but i guess we have to keep an open mind and just enjoy the flow of it. Some questions that has been bugging me.
When Cap goes back in time to send the stones back....
1) How will he send back the Mind stone? I mean it was in the scepter and that scepter belongs to Thanos who passed it on to Loki. Should he pass it back to the Hydra scientist which in turn created Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch since they got their powers from the mind stone.
2) Soul stone. Im sure it will be an awkward moment when cap meets up with redskull. I was imagining the moment when cap went up and redskull was saying "Steve Rogers son of Joseph.... Oh crap its you!!! You banish me here!!! What do u want!?! No refunds and no exchange!" How can one return the sould stone? Will Natasha be back?
3) Reality Stone. Since rocket took it out from Jane when it was in its "fluid" state and now it forms into a stone, who should cap give it to? The collector? Or back to Asgard since Tesseract most likely back in the 1970 timeline when Stark took it.
The rest of the stones i feel is straightforward. Like Time stone, Cap can just meet up with the Ancient one. Space stone put it back where Stark took it. Power stone to Nova Corp? Dont think it should be at Morag again?
That's a good point. I'm assuming that he had help from Hank Pym and Howard Stark from that alternate timeline but it's just speculation on my part. When and how long he stayed in the main timeline is a mystery.
Hey guys. Seen the movie twice and loving it! Although i feel there are moments where i find it rather odd but i guess we have to keep an open mind and just enjoy the flow of it. Some questions that has been bugging me.
When Cap goes back in time to send the stones back....
1) How will he send back the Mind stone? I mean it was in the scepter and that scepter belongs to Thanos who passed it on to Loki. Should he pass it back to the Hydra scientist which in turn created Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch since they got their powers from the mind stone.
2) Soul stone. Im sure it will be an awkward moment when cap meets up with redskull. I was imagining the moment when cap went up and redskull was saying "Steve Rogers son of Joseph.... Oh crap its you!!! You banish me here!!! What do u want!?! No refunds and no exchange!" How can one return the sould stone? Will Natasha be back?
3) Reality Stone. Since rocket took it out from Jane when it was in its "fluid" state and now it forms into a stone, who should cap give it to? The collector? Or back to Asgard since Tesseract most likely back in the 1970 timeline when Stark took it.
The rest of the stones i feel is straightforward. Like Time stone, Cap can just meet up with the Ancient one. Space stone put it back where Stark took it. Power stone to Nova Corp? Dont think it should be at Morag again?
The idea that Tony and Steve's positioning in the end should be reversed is absurd and, in my opinion, shows that the writer wasn't paying attention to these characters for the past decade.
The writers put subtle nods to every MCU movie from the past 11 years, so I'm sure they were paying attention.
Why would their roles need to be reversed?
Tony finally made the sacrifice play that Steve said he'd NEVER do back in Avengers. This shows that the character has grown. And Steve has literally saved the *world* like 5 times. He spent a lifetime on ice after making that same sacrifice, and then he spent 10+ years being a hero. Doesn't he deserve to live the quiet life with the woman he loves?
Just got back from seeing it a 2nd time, freaking amazing film. Rarely feel like giving any film top marks, but Endgame gets them from me.
There is so much to take in I needed a 2nd viewing (at least) to absorb it all and a very emotional journey Marvel have taken us on. Tony's final line is so simple and so perfect, and Cap having finally got that dance was a perfect end to the film as a whole.
Some thoughts on Caps fate (since I had to try and answer that to one of the group I went with right after the first viewing): Honestly feels like there a movies worth of story could be told after he made the jump with the stones and Mjolnir, but we can fill in the gaps for the most part.
On Cap staying in the past : They established in the film that time travelling to the past and causing any change creates an alternate timeline, so any past moment Cap settled down with peggy in would be an alternate one. In that theory he lived out a happy life with Peggy, assured her life in his own timeline was never altered in any way (so not erasing her children there from history for example), before returning to his own timeline. That leaves a number of questions, but one I suspect might have been covered is the how did he return away from the platform?
Well, when Hulk tries to bring him back he says he should be there but he 'blew right past his timestamp'. That suggests Banner saw Steve was in the quantum realm ready for his return but came out somewhere/when else. The how he did that is up to fans to decide (unless the Russo's say otherwise), but help from Pym or more likely Stark in that timeline would cover it, and Stark being involved is implied because the shield he gives Sam is not his original, but possibly the tech based one Howard had made a prototype of and we saw in the early Iron-Man films (I nearly missed this in the first viewing but the shield is indeed different).
There are more questions I can think of, but they kinda fall into nitpick territory and don't detract from the movie as whole for me.
Al in all, Endgame was an amazing film, and I have no idea how Marvel are gonna progress from here, but as Cap might put it, I'm with them until the end of the line.
I (obviously) loved the movie. But just like SW:TLJ, I can see how it might not work with some of the hardcore crowd. I believe it will be very popular with the general/casual audience, and divisive among the hardcores. The humour will either work for you or it won't; it worked for me but they really lay it on so if it's not connecting with you the movie will quickly annoy you.
I will spoiler tag everything I feel really needs it but otherwise try to be vague where necessary. The first 1/3 of the movie is very melancholy, almost mellow like Captain Marvel is in vast stretches. The whole movie feels very different from IW, which was a balls to the walls action spectacle.
The second act is like Thanos' journey in IW in reverse; this time with the Avengers trying to pull off the (Time)heist
The third act provides the greatest extended action sequence in the history of the genre. I've bandied about "comic-book come to life" many times in favourable reviews but this is the real McCoy. Imagine your favourite crossover's eventual 20 page action orgy, complete with massive two page spread showcasing everyone involved in the battle, you will get that here. If this really requires a spoiler tag I apologize, but come on man.
To repeat, the humour really worked for me, but then again I really liked Thor:Ragnarok, and loved how IW took that ball and kept running with it.
Endgame really amps this characterization of Thor up to 11. But they just don't run with it, they run a full marathon and if you're not feeling it you will be worn down very quickly. They left plenty of options of where to go next with another Thor movie and I love how Feige/MCU really gets that one of the strengths of this massive interconnected universe is being able to keep things fresh by shuffling the deck and creating new teamups; I'm really looking forward to Thor + GOTG
I watched on Thursday at 11PM EST; my crowd was amped to the max. They laughed/cheered for almost everything, it was like watching a sporting event with an enthusiastic home crowd. This is par for the course where I live (Toronto). There's still much to process, and I think I'll need to take a week off before watching again but can't wait for my 2nd/3rd/4th viewings. I liked it that much but there's alot that will obviously and rightfully annoy/turn off many others. I still think this movie will be a runaway monster with an unprecedented box office but they intentionally did things that weren't quite conventional.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but for the MCU being derided as *so* predictable where no one ever dies... there were plenty of consequences for this movie. 3 of the "OG" are done with the franchise. I mean... they killed off 2 Avengers, and ended Rogers' story. I can't imagine that some of the complainers would have been happy if no one died, but maybe that's what they wanted? But then I ask wouldn't that be overly predictable? Stark's death saving the entire f'n universe really felt like something RDJ mandated, and he certainly earned it. The man who launched this generation's greatest franchise with a B-list character when WB could counter with Superman and Batman (some wounds will never heal). It also felt like Scarlett was asked what she wanted and she wanted a definitive end, as did Evans. It's like I'm in the first few stages of loss because I'm still processing that I've said goodbye to some of my favourite characters in fiction.
Just musing to myself, and thinking about the hints that the Feige, Russos and Markus/McFeely gave about what Endgame would look like and would call back to thematically. It's obviously a love letter to the whole of the MCUs and everything that came before it. In my opinion, it also pays homage (and not disrespect) to
the great time travel movies and television shows that have come before. Especially Back to the Future. I'm probably way off base but it did seem like the Russos and M+M were making fun of themselves because they handled the whole time traveling conundrum by... not handling it. This is a point that will obviously and justifiably annoy some people.
My opinion might be completely wrong but I disagree with those that say it didn't feel like the Russo or M+M... for me it most certainly was, just dialed WAY up. The movie is very meta, especially when dealing with the "heist". It's going to work for you or it won't.
My guess for where they would go with Banner was basically right, but in true Russo/M+M fashion they exceeded my expectations. Ruffalo had already given hints what he thought his character's arc was, and this is what I thought he meant. Hulk and Banner aren't two different people, they are shades of the same person! It was really satisfying to see Hulk/Banner finally have closure, and it happens at the beginning of the second act. I admit we are deprived of a Hulk / Thanos rematch but what they did instead was more than enough: only Professor Hulk was powerful enough to undo the snap correctly, without being disintegrated.
Everything Feige/Russos/M+M said about Return of the Jedi, Return of the King, and Star Trek TNG's "All Good Things" makes perfect sense.
I understand the whole Frodo+Sam reference in relation to Tony+Steve; Tony goes to the "Grey Havens" (dies) while Steve goes back to the Shire to live out his life in peace with Rosie (Peggy).
To wrap up this confused/rambling poor excuse of a review/summary, Avengers:Endgame is a satisfying conclusion to this iteration of the MCU that was very different from what came before (IW) and surprised me (in a good way) with the decisions made. Superior to Return of the Jedi as a conclusion, being more like Dark Knight Rises IMO (not that DKR is better than ROTJ... you'll see/know what I mean when you watch the movie). A goodbye, with the caveat that the adventure never ends... Funny, emotional, a breathtaking third act, the movie had everything I wanted while at the same time not giving me everything I thought I needed.
New York Loki running around, and if his Stans are right and he faked his demise in IW then got dusted- well, that one's around, too, because he got undusted... in some weird combination of universes there's some fun possibilities for that tv series.
Unfortunately, we all know the MCU is going downhill from here and in a real hurry with absolutely zero chance of it going any other way.
The main reason is because the original Avengers cast (the main 6), both the actors and characters that they played, had a tremendous story arc progress and an unbeatable charisma. When it comes to the latter, that is something you can't learn. You either naturally have it from the get-go or you don't. These new actors don't have an ounce of charisma the original cast had, not to mention all these new characters' arcs are ''progressing'' at a very fast rate (which is all the more ridiculously hurting the characters on its own).
The other reason (almost as important as the main reason) is the way Infinity War and Endgame concluded the current MCU.
Thanos and his army were a threat to the whole universe and it took 2 massive tries (out of which 1 failed miserably) and pretty much ALL heroes to defeat them.
That being said, villains that are gonna step onto the stage in the upcoming MCU movies in the next few years simply CAN'T be taken seriously. Spider-Man fighting the Elementals and Mysterio or whatever they're called? Spider-Man had just fought the superior foes
and survived and won.
Who cares about the Elementals and Mysterio? Stakes against them vs. stakes against Thanos - it can't even be compared. They are a piece of cake. Mordo (presumably will be the villain in Dr. Strange 2) posing a threat to Dr. Strange after Thanos and his army or even after Dormammu? Give me a break. Or whatever crap the (As)Guardians of the Galaxy run into?
Especially with Thor on their team now also.
It's all a ''hot knife through butter'' kind of thing.
That's the problem with momentum. Extremely tough to build it and incredibly easy to lose it. After Infinity War and Endgame, Galactus needs to be the next villain or the momentum is lost and the MCU is screwed with mediocre-couldn't-care-less-threatless ''threats''.
Unfortunately, we all know the MCU is going downhill from here and in a real hurry with absolutely zero chance of it going any other way.
The main reason is because the original Avengers cast (the main 6), both the actors and characters that they played, had a tremendous story arc progress and an unbeatable charisma. When it comes to the latter, that is something you can't learn. You either naturally have it from the get-go or you don't. These new actors don't have an ounce of charisma the original cast had, not to mention all these new characters' arcs are ''progressing'' at a very fast rate (which is all the more ridiculously hurting the characters on its own).
The other reason (almost as important as the main reason) is the way Infinity War and Endgame concluded the current MCU.
Thanos and his army were a threat to the whole universe and it took 2 massive tries (out of which 1 failed miserably) and pretty much ALL heroes to defeat them.
That being said, villains that are gonna step onto the stage in the upcoming MCU movies in the next few years simply CAN'T be taken seriously. Spider-Man fighting the Elementals and Mysterio or whatever they're called? Spider-Man had just fought the superior foes
and survived and won.
Who cares about the Elementals and Mysterio? Stakes against them vs. stakes against Thanos - it can't even be compared. They are a piece of cake. Mordo (presumably will be the villain in Dr. Strange 2) posing a threat to Dr. Strange after Thanos and his army or even after Dormammu? Give me a break. Or whatever crap the (As)Guardians of the Galaxy run into? Especially with Thor on their team also. It's all a ''hot knife through butter'' kind of thing.
That's the problem with momentum. Extremely tough to build it and incredibly easy to lose it. After Infinity War and Endgame, Galactus needs to be the next villain or the momentum is lost and the MCU is screwed with mediocre-couldn't-care-less-threatless ''threats''.
It's possible to have a really good film without a real villain. A problem to solve or a conflict can function as a 'villain' too.
But generally, I don't disagree. This original group was special and they built this palace together. Not sure if the next team will get to live in it. The standalone films might just work better for me, and that's ok.
Dr. Doom hasn't been introduced yet and who knows when he will be. On the other hand, Mysterio and the Elementals are a direct follow up to Thanos which is laughable. Then probably Mordo, again laughable strike 2. Even if Dr. Doom was introduced in the very next MCU movie (which he won't be), I don't see how Dr. Doom would be a greater threat than Thanos anyway.
Unfortunately, we all know the MCU is going downhill from here and in a real hurry with absolutely zero chance of it going any other way.
The main reason is because the original Avengers cast (the main 6), both the actors and characters that they played, had a tremendous story arc progress and an unbeatable charisma. When it comes to the latter, that is something you can't learn. You either naturally have it from the get-go or you don't. These new actors don't have an ounce of charisma the original cast had, not to mention all these new characters' arcs are ''progressing'' at a very fast rate (which is all the more ridiculously hurting the characters on its own).
The other reason (almost as important as the main reason) is the way Infinity War and Endgame concluded the current MCU.
Thanos and his army were a threat to the whole universe and it took 2 massive tries (out of which 1 failed miserably) and pretty much ALL heroes to defeat them.
That being said, villains that are gonna step onto the stage in the upcoming MCU movies in the next few years simply CAN'T be taken seriously. Spider-Man fighting the Elementals and Mysterio or whatever they're called? Spider-Man had just fought the superior foes
and survived and won.
Who cares about the Elementals and Mysterio? Stakes against them vs. stakes against Thanos - it can't even be compared. They are a piece of cake. Mordo (presumably will be the villain in Dr. Strange 2) posing a threat to Dr. Strange after Thanos and his army or even after Dormammu? Give me a break. Or whatever crap the (As)Guardians of the Galaxy run into?
Especially with Thor on their team now also.
It's all a ''hot knife through butter'' kind of thing.
That's the problem with momentum. Extremely tough to build it and incredibly easy to lose it. After Infinity War and Endgame, Galactus needs to be the next villain or the momentum is lost and the MCU is screwed with mediocre-couldn't-care-less-threatless ''threats''.
Eh don't be so sure. Lots of fantastic actors out there and fantastic characters to show people.And imho Johansson and Renner aren't really incredible in charisma department lol
Dr. Doom hasn't been introduced yet and who knows when he will be. On the other hand, Mysterio and the Elementals are a direct follow up to Thanos which is laughable. Then probably Mordo, again laughable strike 2. Even if Dr. Doom was introduced in the very next MCU movie (which he won't be), I don't see how Dr. Doom would be a greater threat than Thanos anyway.
Thanos's introduction was only a hint of what was going to happen. No reason Doom's would not be the same. And while I enjoy Thanos, Doom is one of the top villains ever, regardless of medium. Do not think the Avengers would have been able to defeat him they way they defeated Thanos simply because he would have thought of that maneuver before they did.
Unfortunately, we all know the MCU is going downhill from here and in a real hurry with absolutely zero chance of it going any other way.
The main reason is because the original Avengers cast (the main 6), both the actors and characters that they played, had a tremendous story arc progress and an unbeatable charisma. When it comes to the latter, that is something you can't learn. You either naturally have it from the get-go or you don't. These new actors don't have an ounce of charisma the original cast had, not to mention all these new characters' arcs are ''progressing'' at a very fast rate (which is all the more ridiculously hurting the characters on its own).
Marvel did it again. It's an accomplishment that's never been done this big in cinema history. It's essentially a big bow tie celebration to the Marvel Cinematic Universe that started with the core Avengers members. Many superhero movies might have attempted a close to their superhero franchises, but Endgame is now the model on how to do this correctly on a much larger scale.
The first hour of this is very top heavy in acting and character study which I dug a lot. They really showcase a post-snap world and it's both haunting and sad. There's some action stuff in that first hour, but it's done very swift. The 2nd hour is probably the most fun part of the movie and the one that really defines what this movie needed to accomplish. In a way it's similar to Thanos and his quest to get the infinity stones. There's a lot of great laughs and interesting interactions that happens...not to mention the people that showed up. And the 3rd hour has the most bonkers action set piece the MCU has ever done.. even more than Infinity War and everything you ever want these superhero characters to do...do.
This movie is essentially the Return of the King of the MCU including all the multiple endings this has. It ends very poignant and classy as all hell and it manages to walk that tightrope pretty damn well between comedy and drama. Also you do kinda have to see every MCU movie to get every easter egg and callback in this. However, I do have some nitpicks and without spoiling it... logistically they do some things that did scratch my head. It never really ruined any moment, but it kept me thinking how they all place it together. That said, I loved every minute of it. It's probably my favorite theater experience ever...even more than TDK. It's truly a remarkable feat this movie manages to accomplish. 10/10
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There has been discussion of stuff with Captain America and his story which should really be spoiler tagged
Glad y’all have been enjoying the ride. 
