Endgame Endgame User Review Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Schlosser85]

anyone notice....

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when Cap was in the the therapy session the guy talking was one of the Russo brothers

Yep. He also had a bit part as Fury's doctor in the secret base in Winter Soldier.

 

[kaypain]

9/10

I have no words fellas

No words

 

[-Arya-]

Upon the first viewing I’d say it’s about tied with Infinity War and The Avengers. There are some things I think Endgame did better such as the emotional, character driven storytelling. The third act was awesome, and the second act had fun moments with the plot device they were using. I’m just not quite sure yet if it’s better as a whole compared to the other two. Endgame is for sure in my top 5 MCU movies though. Easily.

 

[Boy Scout]

anyone notice....

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when Cap was in the the therapy session the guy talking was one of the Russo brothers

Yep.

The children next to me who wouldn’t shut the **** up for the first hour noticed too and felt the need to point it out so we’d ALL be in the loop!

 

[kaypain]

I'm not your typical comic book geek. I never read many of the comics outside a few here and there.

I'm also not your typical movie critic or movie goer. I simply want to be entertained and enjoy my popcorn and snacks. With that said I was definitely entertained. I'm not gonna give myself a head ache worrying about the plot holes or asking myself why or this is that.

Movie had great acting, good visuals and great final action sequence.

 

[flickchick85]

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I’m aware of all of that. I’m not sure you understand where I’m coming from.

There was a lot more to the story than the fallout of IW. Those two haven’t spoken since CW. Tony himself said in the last movie that he and Steve “fell out hard” and “[weren’t] on speaking terms.” They had a falling out that lasted for years. Their reconciliation was something EVERYONE was anticipating and it was almost completely glossed over. They didn’t discuss Bucky or the events surrounding him and his association with HYDRA once. So it’s all well and good that Tony was at a different point in his life, but that was a development that should’ve been given attention.

I’m not here to debate that, just the the fact that you said

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it happened in the 5 year gap, which I don’t believe it did.

 

[Boy Scout]

I’m not here to debate that, just the the fact that you said

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it happened in the 5 year gap, which I don’t believe it did.

I don’t see how it didn’t.

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There were unresolved issues they never spoke about on screen, which caused a huge rift between them. For Steve to have been able to show up unannounced at his home and subsequently be invited to dinner is proof positive that discussions were had that we didn’t see. Were they 100% back to where they were pre-CW? Maybe not, but their relationship had obviously significantly improved.

 

[flickchick85]

I don’t see how it didn’t.

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There were unresolved issues they never spoke about on screen, which caused a huge rift between them. For Steve to have been able to show up unannounced at his home and subsequently be invited to dinner is proof positive that discussions were had that we didn’t see. Were they 100% back to where they were pre-CW? Maybe not, but their relationship had obviously significantly improved.

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Not at all. There was nothing to explain. Tony knows Cap was just defending his friend who was brainwashed. He knows Bucky's not personally responsible for his parents' death, that he didn't actually have a choice. He also knows Cap fought Thanos alongside everyone else and didn't just abandon them. There's nothing to actually hash out. They just both handled the situation badly and Tony especially was hurt buy it. But Cap left him an olive branch which Tony already almost grabbed at the beginning of Infinity War, and he was ready to grab it now. There's nothing more to be said, imo. Time heals all wounds and all that. The reception at Tony's house was still a bit frosty, and their talk by the car was the "mending fences" moment.

 

[kaypain]

I think I missed it but what was Stan Lee's cameo?

 

[Boy Scout]

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Not at all. There was nothing to explain. Tony knows Cap was just defending his friend who was brainwashed. He knows Bucky's not personally responsible for his parents' death, that he didn't actually have a choice. He also knows Cap fought Thanos alongside everyone else and didn't just abandon them. There's nothing to actually hash out. They just both handled the situation badly and Tony especially was hurt buy it. But Cap left him an olive branch which Tony already almost grabbed at the beginning of Infinity War, and he was ready to grab it now. There's nothing more to be said, imo. Time heals all wounds and all that. The reception at Tony's house was still a bit frosty, and their talk by the car was the "mending fences" moment.

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Sorry, but no. I don’t agree with that. You don’t beat your friend to near death and then just get over it and be best buds again like nothing happened. To say otherwise is to insist that the events of CW weren’t actually as important as we’ve been lead to believe. And no matter what, you’re discussing significant changes in thoughts and behaviors that the audience wasn’t allowed to see, which is bad writing. Tony had to be convinced to reach out to Cap in IW, and even then, there was nothing to indicate that things would have changed between them on a personal level if they had succeeded the first time and stopped Thanos.

 

[Schlosser85]

I think I missed it but what was Stan Lee's cameo?

He was driving the car past the army base and yells “make love, not war” at the soldiers as he goes by. He’s made up to look a little younger.

 

[Asr]

I think I missed it but what was Stan Lee's cameo?

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He was in the car that drove by during the scene in the 70s when Cap and Iron Man went back.

 

[flickchick85]

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Sorry, but no. I don’t agree with that. You don’t beat your friend to near death and then just get over it and be best buds again like nothing happened. To say otherwise is to insist that the events of CW weren’t actually as important as we’ve been lead to believe. And no matter what, you’re discussing significant changes in thoughts and behaviors that the audience wasn’t allowed to see, which is bad writing. Tony had to be convinced to reach out to Cap in IW, and even then, there was nothing to indicate that things would have changed between them on a personal level if they had succeeded the first time and stopped Thanos.

Yeah, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. It didn't play like bad writing to me at all. It played out rather authentically from where I'm sitting.

 

[Timebomb]

I think I'm too close to it right now to give it a score but wow! I mean really wow! That 3rd act is some of the best comic book stuff put to film. Feelings. Lots of feelings

 

[Nemeres]

Endgame kicked my ass. Even at full hype, I did not expect a last scene, a last shot, a song to play over the credits this fitting. There's always a clear goal, always something to care about. And characters that compel you to. I'm almost afraid to watch it again so as not to burst this great first impression bubble. Big fan here.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

9/10. I'm fairly certain they broke their own time travel rules, but who gives a ****. I enjoyed every minute of it.

 

[Zyraquis]

I'm not your typical comic book geek. I never read many of the comics outside a few here and there.

I'm also not your typical movie critic or movie goer. I simply want to be entertained and enjoy my popcorn and snacks. With that said I was definitely entertained. I'm not gonna give myself a head ache worrying about the plot holes or asking myself why or this is that.

Movie had great acting, good visuals and great final action sequence.

That’s most of my movie viewing attitude too. Think I probably have set my own expectation too high for this one.

 

[Havok83]

Id give it a 9 out of 10. Great movie but I think I prefer IW, which Id give a 10. The final act was perfection but I didnt find the first two all that exciting. Awesome material but parts of it were slow and went on for too long

 

[Lantern Venom]

There were definitely some areas that could have handled better.

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Between the fight with IW timeline Thanos and big fight with past Thanos, the movie was surprisingly light on action. Most of the time that didn't matter since the focus was clearly character development, but it seems like a Endgame skipped a couple of beats.

All of that being said, the final act was the best battle in any comic book film ever. It will be difficult to top. While I didn't think Endgame was flawless, it was the most ambitious installment of the MCU.

 

[Cyrille86]

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that response! I have friends that didn't like Endgame but they don't like *any* superhero movies (they prefer low-budget indie art-house stuff) so I get that. But to say that the filmmakers are hacks or that it's the "worst Marvel movie by far" is just trolling behavior.

Sorry for the wait I actually am one of the few to give a really bad rating. Not a troll. I and my wife are just regular MCU (not comic) fans that put a tremendous amount of money, time and, in part, emotions into this franchise. After IW, and tons of movies we found amazing (Ragnarok), mediocre (Thor 2) or simply not good (Captain Marvel), we watched them all and were able to take more enjoyment than frustration from them. Not so with AEG:

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- Firstly, the movie was not as original, daring and creative as IW (revisiting older movies was in part, a tiny bit lazy).

- The shield should have gone to Buck. The MCU rubs Steve's and Bucky's very special friendship in our faces since the beginning + he has the super soldier serum as well. Feel like beating up his other friend Tony was lessened in meaning through this somehow.

- I could care less about the time travel stuff because I usually tend to ignore plot holes that relate to time travel. However, in this movie, it felt like they rushed the explanation and left too many questions unanswered: How did Caps manage to take the stones back (Tesseract was broken, soul stone?, Aether?), what happened to Mjolnir, at what point in time did he go back to Peggy, are there multiple timelines now or not (Only the former would make sense tbh)? What the heck did Tony "figure out" in the scene where he completed his time travel GPS-thing? Was he working on it in secret for years or did he just figure it out casually in a day or two? Would any of you jump into this with a one-liner saying his daughter cannot be undone? I do not know, but looking at my son, I would have had much, much more reserve about going back in time and accidentally changing something I'd regret.

- I did not like the women gathering scene at all. Again, too overt and thus illogical. As if all of a sudden all women would follow a calling and drop their things across the battlefield, while all men just watch in awe and think "I better not join before I am considered sexist". I prefer GoT, where characters like Arya and Lady Brienne are simply strong and self-confident through the narrative and their development - their story speaks for themselves without the necessity to put gender above anything.

- Tony's death. It is a creative choice, yes, and we did not like it or deem it necessary. They should have either killed off Caps or simply let them both retire. I do not see the sense in the killing of Tony when he leaves a daughter and Pepper behind. I simply

- Thor. Thor is the biggest problem we have and ultimately the reason why the movie as a whole sucks to us. To us, Thor is nothing but a running gag, a running gag born out of a flagrant plot device. It is so obvious that he is fat and drunk because the plot demanded him being nerfed, specifically to let Caps shine and eventually turn him into the better Thor. Sometimes that works, but here, it is just straightforward inconsequent and illogical to us. There could have been many ways to let Thor be badass and still let other shine: Let him solo the black order, buff Thanos etc.
But this was a disgrace. It undid his development of Ragnarok entirely: In his last solo iteration Thor became King Thor, he literally lectured Valkyrie about her drinking problem, he literally said that he chooses "to run towards his problems", he had ONE last conversation with his dying father about who he is meant to be and what Odin's legacy means. He matured into the proper 1500-year-old god that should and imho would have not turned into a drunk, fat hobo gamer. Talking about logic: So Valkyrie can drink her brains away for decades on Sakaar and be in top shape, but Thor can't? So Steve cannot even get drunk because of his metabolism, but Thor is fat from earth beer? Moreover, in Ragnarok, it was established that Thor is not the god of Hammers, but the god of thunder, as in, the source of his power is him, not Mjolnir, yet Steve summons lightning like he did nothing else in his life. Not enough, Steve even wielded Stormbreaker and had to save Thor's ass. To me, this was just over the top and in the end, it felt as if Thor was inconsequently nerfed to let Caps shine.

- Hulk. He was my last straw when the end battle began. Yet, he did nothing. There was one single frame where it was hinted at that he may just have smashed an outrider, but who knows. I get the professor Hulk choice (although it was a let down that it was brushed over how it happened!), but to turn THE powerhouse of the Avengers that is loved for his brute force and feared because of his rage into a selfie-taking, joking nerd that does not fight anyone is more than just a tiny issue, its a disgrace. I simply do not understand how they could not see that this would upset Hulk fans, especially after IW.

In sum, we as massive Thor and Hulk fans that went into the cinema with two clear expectations that we simply had to see (Badass Thor f@#$ing sh@# up and Hulk getting his rematch against Thanos). I feel like the endgame should have been a proper ending (yes, I know Thor will return, BUT this movie is theoretically the conclusion of a ten-year journey and should complete ALL character arcs) for all characters. I feel like they messed up with Thor. Call us fanboys, but we are certainly not trolls, we do not hate the movie because we enjoy it or like to troll, no, we hate it because we simply....hate it

 

[FlareKnight]

I thought it was fantastic. If pressured I'm sure there are things I might have changed. But that's basically the case with everything I've ever seen in my life.

It was a great ride. There were some surprises, some emotional moments, and some unbelievable moments. It was very much worth the build up and makes me glad I got in to see it without a single spoiler crossing my path.

 

[ernesth100]

Who else was unfulfilled with the direction Hulk went in.

 

[Fading]

I'd give Endgame a 9/10. There were a few issues I had that dragged the movie down, but the characters moments were great. Then the way the ending wrapped everything up. I walked away from the movie feeling good. Overall, I just really liked the movie. I'd probably put it around Black Panther on my scale. Just below Civil War, and Infinity War. But above the other MCU movies. Any points taken off for the negatives were added right back by the positives. It's not perfect, but it's still very good, IMO.

The bad (for me)

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I guess my main gripes would be the treatment of Thanos, Hulk, and Thor. I'm not the biggest Hulk fan TBH. But I liked that his character arc led to a merged/professor Hulk. I just felt the Banner half got to shine much more than the Hulk half. I'd have liked to have seen Hulk slug it out with Thanos one more time. It's a minor nitpick though.

Thor had some funny scenes, and I get why he was bummed out. But the constant jokes at his expense, and inability to act at very crucial scenes just wore thin after awhile. Especially given how much character growth, and motivation he had going into this movie. That said, I look forward to Asguardians of the Galaxy, lol.

As for Thanos. I just felt like he just took a step back as a character in this movie. In Infinity War, Thanos set the standard for comic movie villains. In Endgame, he started to slide back towards generic villain. Don't get me wrong, he was still good. But he let his idealism slip towards the end with petty talk about how he'll enjoy destroying Earth. Then he felt a bit depowered when he was quickly killed at the beginning, and knocked around by several characters towards the end. He still did kick some ass, he just didn't seem as imposing, or as character driven in this movie as the last.

The rest of my gripes are mainly nit picks. The movie tend to wander off, and drag briefly in a small handful of scenes. A few plot holes, a few unecessary scenes, but nothing movie breaking. I guess the end fight was just a bit messy with too much going on. Even with all of that, I can only take 1 point off, because the good just was far more abundant, and memorable.

The good

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About everything else. The character moments were on point, and touching. The ending felt right. The permanent deaths stuck with you. It felt like a fitting tribute to the MCU up until this point.

I already typed too much in the bad spoilers, but the good could easily fill up a lot more. I think the stand out moment for me, other than the touching Stark funeral, was probably worthy Cap. When he picked up Mjolnir, and then later was the last man standing. Holding a broken shield, and Mjolnir. Staring down the entire Thanos army alone. Just such a badass scene.

 

[Zyraquis]

Me. One of my issues. That Hulk

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reconciliation can’t be glossed over with a quick dialogue which in itself is confusing.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

So 1st part - Great
Cap America, Thor, Black Widow, Hulk, War Machine, Nebula, Racoon Rocket and Cap Marvel find weaked Thanos and kill him. World lives a depressed life during 5 years.

2nd part - Cool
Five years later, Cap America, Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Hulk, War Machine, Ant Man, Nebula, Racoon Rocket travel in past to find infinity stones

and 3nd part - WTF
Thanos 2014 go to 2023. army of heroes vs army of Thanos. complete mayhem. Hulk, Groot, Mantis are useless...