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Loki Episode 6: For All Time. Always. (Spoiler Discussion)

This season seemed to be all set up for the next phase. While the acting and new characters were all great, they clearly weren’t going for a self contained story with neat ending this season.
People, everything MCU thing since Iron Man 2 is this (even Black Widow was). If you still aren’t used to it by now, then I don’t know what to tell you. These are all LEGOs being built upon another.
 
The fact that Kang showed up, proves not only the shows really do matter, but now the seeds for Secret Wars just exploded, all leading to Kang (beyond happy he is here) taken down in some fashion and God Emperor Doom rising...all of the multiverse against a Doctor Doom that will be supreme over EVERYTHING...THAT is how everything ends...
 
This season seemed to be all set up for the next phase. While the acting and new characters were all great, they clearly weren’t going for a self contained story with neat ending this season.

No, but that only is an issue for a Limited Series or something. This is a show with a confirmed 2nd season coming. Plenty of shows have cliffhanger season endings.
 
this episode was...my god...everything. this almost felt like an event.

we had captain marvel show up before end game. my money is on the fantastic 4 and reed richards playing the same role to save the day before the end of phase 4/5.
 
Well that was epic!

I really thought it was going to be King Loki to fit the narrative and theme but actually in the end they made Kang (or his variant) make total sense and actually created the best conflict between Sylvie and Loki. It just worked.

So excited to see Kang introduced to the MCU and he must surely be the next big bad after that. I can't see his only other appearance being in Ant-Man 3, I reckon different versions of him will pop up in several films and shows.

My guess is this all leads to an Avengers film where Kang takes centre stage, before it leads to an utimate phase 4/5 finale of Secret Wars, which is about one of the only stories they could tell that could get close to the scale of Infinity War/Endgame.

LOVED the cliffhanger too! Bring on series 2!


but Kang may end up playing a HUGE role, but if its Secret Wars, it can only end with the multiverse being taken over by...DOOM....God Emperor Doom to be exact.....
 
The fact that Kang showed up, proves not only the shows really do matter, but now the seeds for Secret Wars just exploded, all leading to Kang (beyond happy he is here) taken down in some fashion and God Emperor Doom rising...all of the multiverse against a Doctor Doom that will be supreme over EVERYTHING...THAT is how everything ends...

This phase will belong to Kang, but I expect Doom to take over the phase after that leading to him being the big bad of Secret Wars down the road. But we are years away from that.
 
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There was no dazzling fight spectacle for a change in your typical season finale, acting was good. It’s about drama, and yes obviously building toward a second season.

Glad there are stakes in the TV side but concerned that it will drive away those who don’t watch D+ shows (many countries don’t have it even if someone wants to subscribe) to understand what’s going on in the movies.
 
There was no dazzling fight spectacle for a change in your typical season finale, acting was good. It’s about drama, and yes obviously building toward a second season.

Glad there are stakes in the TV side but concerned that it will drive away those who don’t watch D+ shows (many countries don’t have it even if someone wants to subscribe) to understand what’s going on in the movies.

Like I said elsewhere, not everyone watches everything. There are people who just watch Avengers and such for example. The movies fill in the gaps for those people. They will get it just fine.
 
I was not actually expecting him to appear!

I loved the finale!
 
No Mobius on a jetski AND it ended on a cliffhanger?!

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But seriously, I liked the finale a lot.

Loki's last scene with Sylvie was some excellent acting work but the real highlight here was Jonathan Majors. I am ready for Kang to take over from Thanos as the new big bad of the MCU. The guy was captivating to watch, and this was only a variant. I can't wait to see him at full power, which we probably won't see until whatever next Avengers movie comes down the pipeline but until then we'll still be seeing him pop up in other things at least. This has made me more hyped for Quantumania as well as lighting a fire under my butt to watch Lovecraft Country just to check out Majors in it. The only other film I've watched him in was Da 5 Bloods but this has made me an instant fan.

I'll admit I was expecting some more closure after the finales of WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier wrapped things up without leaving too many loose ends before I remembered that Loki is coming back for another season. I did wish the post credits scene was a bit more substantial since that announcement could have sufficed just as well in the credits like the "(Insert Hero's Name) will return" stingers in the movies.
 
So we got Immortus (or at least a variant of him) and set ups for the arrival of Kang, the upcoming "What If" animated show, teasing of the Ant-Man/Wasp movie AND the next Dr. Strange movie all within one episode.

Fantastic. Thank you, Marvel, for actually paying off the seeds/easter eggs/etc that you've been setting up all season long instead of trying to be "cute".
 
So how many movies and TV shows will have Kang as the villain? W
I think versions of Nathaniel Richards may show up a lot.
- Multiverse of Madness
- Quantumania
- Loki Season 2
- Fantastic Four
- one or more Avengers movies (Avengers: Forever and/or Secret Wars?)
- Young Avengers

All of these have a potential role for him going forward. I think he may be similar to Nick Fury in the sense that he could appear in a multitude of different franchises within the MCU. Also interesting that he may be the first villain that combines the frequent appearances of Loki with the overarching big bad role of Thanos. He could truly be the next great villain

Why are people calling him Kang? Kang is just a variant among millions. Technically, we haven't been introduced to the character yet.
Yes, agreed. This version of Nathaniel Richards calls himself He Who Remains, so I think it'd be good to use that to refer to this version.

That's true but Kang isn't going around with a giant horned helmet or with clown make up.
Imagine how ridiculous would have been if Thanos or Red Skull acted like the Kang variant we just saw.
Not yet but he does generally have a blue face and a big purple helmet so I'm not sure how that's supposed to be a reason for why a version of him can't act like this.

So we still don’t know what the “King Loki in Asgard” footage is all about. I wonder if it was actually part of Sylvie’s nexus event.
I also think it was unused footage showing what Loki could receive when Ms. Minutes talked to him in this episode.

I didn't write it off, but there was just too much Kang. Now, the part I got wrong was I thought the variant Kang we would see would be He Who Remains but also called Immortus. I got that Immortus part wrong....kind of. He had a costume that evoked Inmortus and Immortus likewise was afraid of other Kang's, so he kind of had some similarities to him. But yeah, nailed that he was trying to stop other Kangs and that he was going to be known also as He Who Remains. I like how they combined several time travel concepts into a more streamlined idea here
It had crossed my mind that they might combine Immortus and HWR briefly among many possibilities, but it wasn't my main prediction. But yeah, they definitely combined elements of He Who Remains with Immortus.

They are all Kang. Well, Nathaniel.
They're all Nathaniel, yes. That's his birth name. They're not all Kang. Kang is just one name some versions take for themselves while others don't. He Who Remains, Immortus, Iron Lad, etc. probably wouldn't like being called Kang.

Not the one we saw.
No, not the one we saw. But Loki still acted like that while not wearing the horns and Joker without makeup so I'm not sure what your point is.

No, they did. Much like Sylvie is Loki, He Who Remains is Kang. They are both the same person, just variants of one another.
They are both Nathaniel Richards variants, but they are not both Kang. I would say variants are pretty much by definition not both the same person. They only have partial shared continuity so they're something on a spectrum between being the same person and being a fully distinct person. Sylvie is a variant of the same entity as Loki, but she's clearly not the same individual for the most part and she does not go by the name "Loki". We have not seen Kang yet, the same way we had not seen Sylvie yet before this show.

I thought Kang was supposed to have blue skin.
Kang usually has the blue face (usually it's his helmet, but some versions it's his skin). This Nathaniel Richards variant was not Kang though. Like many other of his variants and aliases through time (Immortus, Rama-Tut, Scarlet Centurion, Iron Lad, Mister Gryphon, Victor Timely, etc.) he doesn't look blue.

This was Immortus.
I agree they took elements from Immortus, they didn't call him that. Let's just go with He Who Remains for now.

No his mask is blue
Usually, yes. Though there are versions of him with actual blue skin, like this one where Immortus mutated into a blue skinned Kang on Earth X.
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I thought it was a solid, if somewhat formulaic, season finale. They gave us some answers to the big mystery of Season 1 and opened up a whole bunch of new problems for Season 2. I didn't particularly care for Jonathan Major's Krazy Kang variant He Who Remains, but we'll probably get a much different fella with Warlord Kang either in Season 2 or Quantamania. I still put Loki behind WandaVision, the one with all the feels, in the Disney Plus pecking order. But it is a damn fine show and I am looking forward to Season 2.
 

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