Evil Dead (2013) - Part 1

[Rodrigo90]

It's a theory. Especially when you hear the voices of characters in the original.

But I honestly believe, if ED2 did cancel out the events and continuity of the original, then the remake can't be considered in that regard.

 

[Loki882]

I don't know, it seemed to harken back to the original A LOT, and not in your typical remake type of way. My guess is that the filmmakers left it somewhat ambiguous on purpose so that the audience could decide for themselves. A certain character popping up is a pretty big clue, however.

 

[Rodrigo90]

A lot of it was based on fanfare I think.

The gruesome events, the disembodied voices of past characters, and of course, Mr. Groovy

 

[Lord]

Or there are more necromanicon ex mortis and cabins, Evil Dead 2 doesn't really retcon anything, the begining is a sort of "previously in Evil Dead", like The Army of Darkness did and Sam Raimi does in his Spider-Man films, only then he had fewer resources to recap what happened previously.

 

[Vid Electricz]

There were a lot of other interesting tidbits from that panel.

During the Army of Darkness screening, Quinn pointed out a moment that represents a turning point in the film and the production. Bascially its when Ash reaches the windmill right before the scene with all the tine Ashes. Once they shot the scene with Ash reaching the windmill there was some kind of break in the production in which it wasn't entirely clear whether or not the film was going to be able to continue. The leadership at the studio had a massive changeover and their was a history of bad blood between AoD's producer and the new president of the company. Army of Darkness was on the chopping block of either being closed down entirely or having its budget massively cut in the middle of production. Raimi apparently became very stressed out but then came to everyone else involved and said "Screw it, let's make a comedy. What are they going to do sue me?"

There definitely is a change in tone at that point in the movie. While there is quite a bit of humor in the movie prior to that point, it doesn't become medieval Three Stooges until after that.

Shades of Spider-Man 3...

 

[Loki882]

Except that Army of Darkness actually worked and was funny, SM 3 was just annoying.

 

[Vid Electricz]

They're pretty similar actually. Full of Raimi's dry, screwball humour.

I think the intentions were probably similar on both productions as well. Arad shot down the script he'd already written, basically forcing him to re-write it to include Venom. He also says he was being heavily micro-managed by the studio. I bet he went "you know what? Screw it. I'm going to make this as over-the-top and wacky as I can."

 

[Lord]

Was Army of Darkness a very big budgeted film when it was released or was it low budgeted?

 

[Tanin]

13 million Dollar Budget. I dunno if that was high or not for the time though.

 

[redhawk23]

For context, the most expensive movies of all time up to that point had budgets set around 100 million.

So going off of that proportion, 13 million in the early 90s would be about the equivalent of 30 million today.

 

[Loki882]

How much did it make back? Also, Army of Darkness had one of the coolest ending scenes in movie history, and no emo *****ebag Ash like that other movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I was somewhat under the impression that whatever this evil force was simply reset things near the cabin to lure more victims there, just like Ash and his friends decades before. On another note, I now eagerly await the teased Ash/Mia teamup.

Thats actually a good way of looking at it, and it wouldnt seem out of place in the ED world.

And this franchise has never been good with continuity, the end of ED2 and beginning of AOD are totally different to each other, so continuity isnt really something you should concentrate on with these movies.

 

[The Navigator]

And this franchise has never been good with continuity, the end of ED2 and beginning of AOD are totally different to each other, so continuity isnt really something you should concentrate on with these movies.

They're really just "cliff notes" versions--nothing that happens in ED2 really contradicts anything that happens in ED1 (they have to bring in new pages of the necronomicon, which gets burned at the end of the first movie and is never referenced again after the intro in 2), every deadite besides Linda gets melted into goo so there's no need to reference them anyway, and then we literally pick up the moment we left off. Army of Darkness isn't as literal a follow-up, but it amounts to the same thing--after the incident in the pit, people are all over Ash and treating him like a hero and the "chosen one." They're just roundabout ways of getting to the same place, not out and out contradictions.

 

[redhawk23]

How much did it make back? Also, Army of Darkness had one of the coolest ending scenes in movie history, and no emo *****ebag Ash like that other movie.

I've seen figures at around 27 million.

 

[Beanjuice]

So, I loved this movie, but I haven't had a chance to pick it up ondvd yet. Is was there any truth to the alternate ending with mia and ash?

 

[redhawk23]

It was never filmed.

 

[Mike_D202]

SOMETHING was filmed, because in the TV spots you can see Mia walking down a long road in her bloodied dress she wore at the end.

 

[Teelie]

So, I loved this movie, but I haven't had a chance to pick it up ondvd yet. Is was there any truth to the alternate ending with mia and ash?

All that was a miscommunication. Bruce Campbell says "Groovy" at the end of the movie as a easter egg/nod to the original Evil Dead fans and there was only talk of a sequel to bring Ash into it. Somehow someone managed to make a connection that Ash and Mia would have a scene together from Bruce's one word voice over at the end and that sequel talk.

 

[redhawk23]

^ They've actually discussed the fact that they had an entire scene planned of Ash pulling up in a truck but ultimately they decided against it.

 

[Teelie]

That's what I meant about talk. It was talked about but never filmed. Instead it was just "Groovy" they used and yet that became a sign they were doing this sequel with Ash and Mia (which would be cool, matching chainsaw-hands FTW) but it never actually officially occured.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They're really just "cliff notes" versions--nothing that happens in ED2 really contradicts anything that happens in ED1 (they have to bring in new pages of the necronomicon, which gets burned at the end of the first movie and is never referenced again after the intro in 2), every deadite besides Linda gets melted into goo so there's no need to reference them anyway, and then we literally pick up the moment we left off. Army of Darkness isn't as literal a follow-up, but it amounts to the same thing--after the incident in the pit, people are all over Ash and treating him like a hero and the "chosen one." They're just roundabout ways of getting to the same place, not out and out contradictions.

Yeah this is all true, and I dont mind the nature of the franchise, I just thought it strange someone was bringing up continuity for this series when it has never really had any anyway.

 

[redhawk23]

That's what I meant about talk. It was talked about but never filmed. Instead it was just "Groovy" they used and yet that became a sign they were doing this sequel with Ash and Mia (which would be cool, matching chainsaw-hands FTW) but it never actually officially occured.

I'm just saying that the talks went beyond vague plans for the future. Not just talks about sequels, but a specific scene in this film. As others have indicated, the plans for that end scene apparently went as far as filming the lead up to it.

You're acting like people were pulling that out of their ass.

 

[Donnie Darko]

It's a theory. Especially when you hear the voices of characters in the original.

But I honestly believe, if ED2 did cancel out the events and continuity of the original, then the remake can't be considered in that regard.

Does Jane know that you seem to have switched to Team Shakira?

 

[Beanjuice]

^ They've actually discussed the fact that they had an entire scene planned of Ash pulling up in a truck but ultimately they decided against it.

Apparently the scene was shot just sans bruce.

http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3227252/spoilers-about-that-alternate-ending-for-the-evil-dead/

 

[redhawk23]

http://www.slashfilm.com/fede-alvarez-wont-direct-evil-dead-2-writer-says-movie-wont-happen/

Fede Alvarez not returning to Evil Dead, writer says the film "won't happen" at least not with with them involved.