Fan Review Thread SPOILERS INSIDE - Part 2

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

MOS Zod was a MUCH BETTER villain than Malekith. There is no comparison, Zod wins easily.

Agreed, Zod had clear motivations and actually came across as a threat to Superman and everyone on Earth. He had some very good lines and in a certain way you could see were he was coming from with his views as he had been bread that way.

Malekith was just....there. So disappointing.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Zod was more complex, and at the same time he was much more entertaining in an intense, but also classic mustache twirling way.

"Jor Elllll wasssss right. You're all a pack of fools! every last one of you!"

"I will find him!"

"Release the world engine!"

"Either you die, or I do!"

So awesome.

Malekith was just nothing.

 

[jmc]

Ive got to agree with this. Malekith is the second worst villain in the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe imo. Mostly because he is grossly underutilized and criminally one dimensional. He easily could have been an absolute badass and a villain to remember. They really dropped the ball with him. Thor 2 is gonna be a film that frustrates me because its so much potential wasted.

I found this 'wasted potential' line used by quite a few people regarding this film. My question is why wasn't there the same criticism for the previous film? If ever there was a film in phase one that had wasted potential it was the first film.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I seriously doubt Odin is dead.People are jumping the gun BIG TIME on that one....

I agree. But where was he though? Another one of his sudden naps?

 

[Marvolo]

I found this 'wasted potential' line used by quite a few people regarding this film. My question is why wasn't there the same criticism for the previous film? If ever there was a film in phase one that had wasted potential it was the first film.

I won't argue that Thor one could have been more, but it didn't feel like such a mess imo nor did it feel like they did so little with so much. And Branagh is imo leagues ahead of Taylor in terms of directing talent and that talent shows up on screen.

 

[Visualiza]

I won't argue that Thor one could have been more, but it didn't feel like such a mess imo nor did it feel like they did so little with so much. And Branagh is imo leagues ahead of Taylor in terms of directing talent and that talent shows up on screen.

 

[jmc]

I won't argue that Thor one could have been more, but it didn't feel like such a mess imo nor did it feel like they did so little with so much. And Branagh is imo leagues ahead of Taylor in terms of directing talent and that talent shows up on screen.

In terms of story I will agree, that said Branagh's short comings in creating a large scale world are more than obvious. The way I look at it is Thor is stronger in its story but weaker in its overall presentation, Thor 2 is stronger in it's overall presentation but weaker in it's story.

 

[Marvolo]

In terms of story I will agree, that said Branagh's short comings in creating a large scale world are more than obvious. The way I look at it is Thor is stronger in its story but weaker in its overall presentation, Thor 2 is stronger in it's overall presentation but weaker in it's story.

You hit the nail right on the head.

 

[Slushy]

After witnessing how fu**ing horrible Iron Man 3 was, I had high expectations for The Dark World. And I was very satisfied with the sequel to Thor. It was Marvel Studios' apology film.

There's tons of action with a nice mix of humor and some great twists along with eye opening special effects. Tom Hiddleston once again steals the show with his charisma reprising the role of Loki and the main villain, Malekith, was a truly despicable foe.
This wasn't a filler movie either. A LOT of important sh** happens (which I can't go into without spoiling things) and yes, stay tuned after the credits for the bonus scene.

Can't wait to see what Captain America brings to the table!

 

[cherokeesam]

I seriously doubt Odin is dead.People are jumping the gun BIG TIME on that one....

How are people "jumping the gun?"
Loki impersonated Odin. On his throne. How does that happen?

Simple answer: Loki murdered him and usurped the throne. (And, again, Odin's actor and director CONFIRMED THIS IN INTERVIEWS......*sigh* nobody listens around here)

Complicated and convoluted answers: Odin stepped out to the john, and Loki snuck in for a meaningful brotherly palaver before Daddy returned; Odin worked out a backroom deal with Loki, and decided that Asgard would be better off in Loki's hands than Thor's; Odin just happened to have another Odinsleep attack and Loki was, spectacularly coincidentally, in the right place at the right time when it happened; Loki kidnapped Odin and has him tied up in the backroom somewhere....
...feel free to add other options. I like a long-winded story.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Someone just posted a few screens from the TDW artbook over on that website. I can now confirm that the art direction could've been MUCH better. So it goes form 60/100 to 55/100 for me.

Probably the best Marvel artbook to date.

 

[Figs]

The only villain I can say that Ive completely enjoyed and loved and didn't have any issues with (this is just how i feel personally) is Heath Ledger's Joker. No back story besides the lies he tells and a very simple motivation (chaos), but it works for the character and Heath Ledger took the character and elevated him to the nth degree. He's completely insane and a result of our protagonist and has a strong personal bond with our protagonist (a sick twisted love) that you just don't get from many other villains. After Ledger's joker I just haven't found anything that compares. Loki is orbiting in the same ballpark as far as antagonists go, but beyond him I've yet to find a villain I could latch onto like Ledger's Joker. And this goes for DC villains, Marvel Villains, and Fox Marvel villains. I want another villain on that level. I know its possible. And I want to see it.

Same here. Ledger's Joker was done so well, in the acting department as well as the writing.

Zod was more complex, and at the same time he was much more entertaining in an intense, but also classic mustache twirling way.

"I will find him!"

Hahaha. That was my favorite. I love how he builds up to the yell.

"I will find him"..."I will find him"..."I WILL FIND HIM!"

 

[CBBrainSplatter]

I liked the film quite a bit, but I've only seen it the one time so far. I will get back to theaters at least once more, but for now, here's my review of the film and where it stands in the MCU hierarchy

 

[TeeKay]

People actually thought Loki was dead? He's a trickster and the God of Mischief remember?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

How are people "jumping the gun?"
Loki impersonated Odin. On his throne. How does that happen?

Simple answer: Loki murdered him and usurped the throne. (And, again, Odin's actor and director CONFIRMED THIS IN INTERVIEWS......*sigh* nobody listens around here)

Complicated and convoluted answers: Odin stepped out to the john, and Loki snuck in for a meaningful brotherly palaver before Daddy returned; Odin worked out a backroom deal with Loki, and decided that Asgard would be better off in Loki's hands than Thor's; Odin just happened to have another Odinsleep attack and Loki was, spectacularly coincidentally, in the right place at the right time when it happened; Loki kidnapped Odin and has him tied up in the backroom somewhere....
...feel free to add other options. I like a long-winded story.

Oh odin they wouldn't kill off screen, he's probably imprisoned alive and well being tortured. Loki would rather he suffer. Death is too easy

 

[Tony Stark]

Zod was more complex, and at the same time he was much more entertaining in an intense, but also classic mustache twirling way.

"Jor Elllll wasssss right. You're all a pack of fools! every last one of you!"

"I will find him!"

"Release the world engine!"

"Either you die, or I do!"

So awesome.

Malekith was just nothing.

Intense doesn't mean better. Horrible acting doesn't either. I don't get what people's fascination with Zod is. Probably one of the most ridiculous over the top pefromances in these movies. It wasn't funny, it wasn't scary, it wasn't threatening, it was stupid. I know Michael Shannon is a capable actor, but talk about a total miscast.

No doubt Malekith is a pretty simple bad guy, and I'm not going to argue that, but Zod doesn't hold a candle to Hiddleston, who is one of the all time great bad guys in this genre.

Again the DC bias is just so overwhelming on this site. If anything was made with Chris Nolan's name on it anywhere, it's like you can't criticize it. I thought Dark Knight Rises was pretty underwhelming, until I saw Man of Steel and it was a masterpiece by comparison.

When the honest trailer came out for Man of Steel, I'm sure it meant to be a parody. Too bad it's so close to the truth.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sge5sUNJkiY

 

[Krystal]

Intense doesn't mean better. Horrible acting doesn't either. I don't get what people's fascination with Zod is. Probably one of the most ridiculous over the top pefromances in these movies. It wasn't funny, it wasn't scary, it wasn't threatening, it was stupid. I know Michael Shannon is a capable actor, but talk about a total miscast.

No doubt Malekith is a pretty simple bad guy, and I'm not going to argue that, but Zod doesn't hold a candle to Hiddleston, who is one of the all time great bad guys in this genre.

Again the DC bias is just so overwhelming on this site. If anything was made with Chris Nolan's name on it anywhere, it's like you can't criticize it. I thought Dark Knight Rises was pretty underwhelming, until I saw Man of Steel and it was a masterpiece by comparison.

When the honest trailer came out for Man of Steel, I'm sure it meant to be a parody. Too bad it's so close to the truth.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sge5sUNJkiY

Shannon could get an award for red-faced screaming. He really made the part his own. No similarity to stamp at all.

 

[Tony Stark]

Agreed, Zod had clear motivations and actually came across as a threat to Superman and everyone on Earth. He had some very good lines and in a certain way you could see were he was coming from with his views as he had been bread that way.

Malekith was just....there. So disappointing.

How is being bread to protect the codex any more a motivation than having the Asgardians murder your whole civilization?

Again, I'm not saying Malekith was some sort of deep thought out villain, he wasn't, and neither was Zod.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

Intense doesn't mean better. Horrible acting doesn't either. I don't get what people's fascination with Zod is. Probably one of the most ridiculous over the top pefromances in these movies. It wasn't funny, it wasn't scary, it wasn't threatening, it was stupid. I know Michael Shannon is a capable actor, but talk about a total miscast.

No doubt Malekith is a pretty simple bad guy, and I'm not going to argue that, but Zod doesn't hold a candle to Hiddleston, who is one of the all time great bad guys in this genre.

Again the DC bias is just so overwhelming on this site. If anything was made with Chris Nolan's name on it anywhere, it's like you can't criticize it. I thought Dark Knight Rises was pretty underwhelming, until I saw Man of Steel and it was a masterpiece by comparison.

When the honest trailer came out for Man of Steel, I'm sure it meant to be a parody. Too bad it's so close to the truth.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sge5sUNJkiY

A guy with the name Tony Stark making up a "DC bias". Cute.

Guess what guy, some people really liked Zod in MOS. It has nothing to do with some petty war between the two houses.

 

[Feenix]

Intense doesn't mean better. Horrible acting doesn't either. I don't get what people's fascination with Zod is. Probably one of the most ridiculous over the top pefromances in these movies. It wasn't funny, it wasn't scary, it wasn't threatening, it was stupid. I know Michael Shannon is a capable actor, but talk about a total miscast.

No doubt Malekith is a pretty simple bad guy, and I'm not going to argue that, but Zod doesn't hold a candle to Hiddleston, who is one of the all time great bad guys in this genre.

Again the DC bias is just so overwhelming on this site. If anything was made with Chris Nolan's name on it anywhere, it's like you can't criticize it. I thought Dark Knight Rises was pretty underwhelming, until I saw Man of Steel and it was a masterpiece by comparison.

When the honest trailer came out for Man of Steel, I'm sure it meant to be a parody. Too bad it's so close to the truth.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sge5sUNJkiY

I couldn't agree more with this post

 

[TeeKay]

Intense doesn't mean better. Horrible acting doesn't either. I don't get what people's fascination with Zod is. Probably one of the most ridiculous over the top pefromances in these movies. It wasn't funny, it wasn't scary, it wasn't threatening, it was stupid. I know Michael Shannon is a capable actor, but talk about a total miscast.

No doubt Malekith is a pretty simple bad guy, and I'm not going to argue that, but Zod doesn't hold a candle to Hiddleston, who is one of the all time great bad guys in this genre.

Again the DC bias is just so overwhelming on this site. If anything was made with Chris Nolan's name on it anywhere, it's like you can't criticize it. I thought Dark Knight Rises was pretty underwhelming, until I saw Man of Steel and it was a masterpiece by comparison.

When the honest trailer came out for Man of Steel, I'm sure it meant to be a parody. Too bad it's so close to the truth.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sge5sUNJkiY

You're just adding more salt to the wound. Let it go guys. Those honest trailers are for comic relief and they don't take themselves seriously. Don't forget they did one for IM3 too and that was ****ing hilarious. To bring up HT to justify why you didnt like MOS is weak. The bias goes ways buddy, whether you admit it or not, you're favour the MCU more than DC. Yes I don't like it too when people bring up Nolan but sometimes it's necessary because he did a phenomenal job with TDK trilogy (with TDK being the greatest and my favourite CBM of all time) and I agree, even if the MCU is different, they can learn something from his handling of villains in his trilogy.

That being said, I think the MCU has done a decent job with the villains, with the standouts being Loki, Killian and Stane IMO. Red Skull was portrayed pretty much how he is in the comics, I would have liked to see more of him. Vanko was meh and Hammer was hilarious but vastly different from his comic book counter part and I get why they had to change him. Malekith was powerful but needed more development but I don't think he's as bad as some people are making him out to be. Villains don't NEED to be complex and deep to be interesting IMO. But Malekith might end up probably end up being the weak villain of Phase two.

Moving on, on the site that shall not be named, somebody wrote an article on this movie and one interesting point they made was the Thor relies too much on the Mjolnir in this movie. Fair criticism but I disagree. Any thoughts on this?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Intense doesn't mean better. Horrible acting doesn't either. I don't get what people's fascination with Zod is. Probably one of the most ridiculous over the top pefromances in these movies. It wasn't funny, it wasn't scary, it wasn't threatening, it was stupid. I know Michael Shannon is a capable actor, but talk about a total miscast.

No doubt Malekith is a pretty simple bad guy, and I'm not going to argue that, but Zod doesn't hold a candle to Hiddleston, who is one of the all time great bad guys in this genre.

Again the DC bias is just so overwhelming on this site. If anything was made with Chris Nolan's name on it anywhere, it's like you can't criticize it. I thought Dark Knight Rises was pretty underwhelming, until I saw Man of Steel and it was a masterpiece by comparison.

When the honest trailer came out for Man of Steel, I'm sure it meant to be a parody. Too bad it's so close to the truth.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sge5sUNJkiY

I gotta agree... to be fair, I think people need to step back a bit though. For me this isn't a DC/Marvel flame war, and people need to stop making it out to be. I think Zod and Malekeith are very similar villains and worth comparing between the two.

people need to just drop the Marvel/DC labels for a minute because Marvel and DC are indeed the two leading comic film makers .. so of course there will always be comparison's. People who think it's a flame war, or can't take criticism as anything but "Marvel fanboy vs DC fanboy" need to step back a bit.

I liked Mal more than Zod (not much more) because i thought both weren't very compelling (hell Feora was the break out villain in MOS to me) but it has nothing to do with me having more of a Marvel background what so ever...

especially in this case.. when i actually know more familiar with Zod than i am
Malekieth.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

A guy with the name Tony Stark making up a "DC bias". Cute.

Guess what guy, some people really liked Zod in MOS. It has nothing to do with some petty war between the two houses.

calm the heck down... don't turn this into a flame war. You can dislike a film regardless of what heroes you prefer...

 

[TeeKay]

How is being bread to protect the codex any more a motivation than having the Asgardians murder your whole civilization?

Again, I'm not saying Malekith was some sort of deep thought out villain, he wasn't, and neither was Zod.

Zod was bred to be a warrior and to protect Krytpon not the codex. Like Darth said, he was a rabid dog that needed to be put down. Either way I've said this before, his motives were no different than Malekith's. Zod was just a bit more fleshed out and had more screentime.

 

[Crimson King]

Zod and Malekith are similar in a lot of ways. Both were leaders of an army that wanted to bring their species back to prominence. Both had issues with the protagonist's relatives rather than the protagonists themselves. Both had lackeys that fought against the hero first until they leveled up in the third act and attempted to kill them alone. Both had stupid-looking hair. That last one may just be my opinion.

Point is, they're easily compared without it being a DC/Marvel thing. For the record, I thought they both sucked.