MOS had no humour either (its actually one of my complaints about the movie, it needed a bit more levity, but only a bit), and made a lot of money, so I dont get your point. People are complaining about the level of humour, I never said majority, I said people, you seem to be misinterpreting what I am saying. 'People' COULD turn into a majority if Marvel dont change things up, that was what I was saying.
I gave you more than that, I gave you a trend. You say yourself that there's more humor in the phase 2 movies and the phase 2 movies made more money. A significant part of that comparison is that it's the same characters, so the comparison is very direct.
But if we have to compare completely different characters and universes MoS featured a more famous and well established hero than TDW, and it didn't really do more money despite being released at a more favorable time and with more marketing. Not that I would really draw that conclusion, and I generally don't care about how much money a movie brings in (it's only brought up as incentive for the studios in this discussion), so it's just for the sake of commenting on the issue.
And my point about "people" is that you can find complaints about nearly everything. I gave you an example with the people that think there's too many superhero movies. Those could also become the majority if I'm talking as theoretically as you. The trend speaks against both though.
I'd say fewer people are complaining about the amount of CBM's compared to how they are made. People are saying that the level of humour in these Marvel movies is somewhat ruining the movies for them. People put IM3 as one of if not the worst MCU movie because of this. Its becoming a problem to fans, it may become a problem to the GA if it persists.
Both just look like vocal minorities. IM3 is the most successful solo CBM there is so I doubt the studio is shaking about those complaints. I also saw more complaints about the Mandarin than about the humor among comic book fans.
If you can provide evidence that IM3 is viewed worse than IM2 in general by the fans I'd take this fear seriously for that part of the viewership. Nothing I've seen supports that at all though.
Again, I am enjoying the movies, its not like they are X3 levels of disasters, but there ARE many things they could improve on, and they seem to all have the same flaws, if fans can see this why cant Marvel? Sure they are making money, but TDW hasnt exactly set the world alight, I am sure they were expecting to make more than it has, at least domestically.
As for discussion, the Thor 1 boards were active months after it was released, same with other movies this year like MOS, The Wolverine, and even IM3 (though that was down to the twist more than anything). I have been here 10 years and very rarely see a board go so dead a month after the movie is released. TDW is dead a month after release and I think its because the movie was forgettable, a few people have even said this in their reviews. Its another disappointing aspect of the movie and my point that these MCU arent leaving a lasting impression. I can still watch many CBM's from 10-5 years ago and enjoy them immensely. I cant see that happening with TDW. Again this is just me I am talking about.
This is what I'm talking about. Here you are taking your opinion, stating it as a fact that they are flaws that "fans" see and Marvel doesn't. That's not at all how you write opinion, that's a very definitive statement of fact. It's going out of your way to do so since there are simpler ways to formulate that without those insinuations (and I'm not talking about "imo"). I'm just stating this so you might understand why some can react to it.
But to focus on the issue, all movies have flaws so of course there are things to work on. The humor is still not something you can just state as a flaw in a general discussion.
As for the money TDW is bringing in, it's more than the first Thor and you liked that one. If TDW not setting the world alight is an argument against choices in that movie, what can you then say about the movies that make less? Those choices must be worse by that logic.
Comparing with MoS is pretty pointless because the two big DC characters always have far more discussion going on than comparable MCU movies. As said, the TDW forum didn't have that much discussion before the movie was released either. I don't know about TIH but Thor had less discussion than the other phase 1 movies as well, although it was probably considered upper half in general. Overall he seems to be the least popular Avenger of the big four on this board.
Villains very rarely get what they want, thats not what I was talking about, I was talking about having some depth and actually coming across as a threat and someone who COULD acheive their goals. Loki was all of these things in the 1st movie. And others such as Magneto have been as well. As for Zod, I was genuinly worried Superman wouldnt be able to beat him in that last fight in MOS, and the way they did end it was great and unexpected. I never once had these feelings with Malekith, it got to the point were I was just saying to myself "come on Thor just finish him already." Thats how little an impact he had as a villain to me. I was never once worried Thor wouldnt be able to beat him. Zod wasnt an amazing villain by any means, he's not up there with the Loki's, and Magneto's of this world. But he came across as a threat and had understandable motivations. He was a decent villain in a 'boo-hiss' trend. Malekith was just nothing.
That logic makes no sense. First of all, those villains couldn't achieve their goals. The evidence is there because they didn't. If you're talking about possibility that's just as illogical as Malekith certainly had the power to achieve his goal. Stating otherwise is just wrong.
I don't get how you thought Zod would win. There was no way that movie ends with Zod ruling the world, just as there was no way Malekith was actually destroying the universe. Leading up to the ends, Malekith had also actually come off successful at least once before. Zod constantly failed at everything, so why would he start doing something right at the end? Zod was also nothing more than the protagonist, while most other villains are better in at least something so they have an edge. I easily understood why he was doing what he was doing and while he didn't get built up as much his build up was at least consistent with what was shown, unlike Zod's.
And if there's any fight in a CBM where I would have said "come on, just finish him" it would be the Zod fight after what I felt was an eternity of exaggerated action without any dynamic. I had enough before Supes and Zod even began. I liked Malekith much better. The only thing I wasn't sure of in that fight was how someone would win, since neither Zod nor Superman took any damage from anything. Of course it was again illogical since Superman first is too weak to even control Zod's head, and then suddenly strong enough to easily break his neck.
I never once stated IM3 is viewed worse than IM2, I dont know were you got that from, it clearly isnt, but check my 'Worst MCU movie' thread in the Marvel forum, IM3 isnt exactly doing very well, but its doing better than IM2. For the record I think IM3 is better than IM2 as well, but the gap isnt that big between them anymore for me.
