Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[2094]

What if... just what if this movie actually surprises the GA and becomes a box office hit?? I know it's kind of unlikely but I can't help but have that thought. Do you think that would make Fox think three times about the sequel and make it more comic accurate and faithful character/story wise?

 

[Dasher10]

What if... just what if this movie actually surprises the GA and becomes a box office hit?? I know it's kind of unlikely but I can't help but have that thought. Do you think that would make Fox think three times about the sequel and make it more comic accurate and faithful character/story wise?

I think that a sequel will be slightly more comic accurate, particularly with costumes and introducing more elements from the comics simply due to fan backlash.

 

[lordofthenerds]

What if... just what if this movie actually surprises the GA and becomes a box office hit?? I know it's kind of unlikely but I can't help but have that thought. Do you think that would make Fox think three times about the sequel and make it more comic accurate and faithful character/story wise?

If the movie actually does well at the box office, what incentive would Fox have to change anything?

 

[Casius--J]

If the movie actually does well at the box office, what incentive would Fox have to change anything?

Well to be fair last years TMNT had it's share of fan backlash and despite that it did ok at the boxoffice. Now they're going into a sequel and it seems they're making quite a few changes. It looks to be a soft reboot, so in the case with the FF sequel it could still be a possibility

 

[Drz]

I think that a sequel will be slightly more comic accurate, particularly with costumes and introducing more elements from the comics simply due to fan backlash.

Yeah sequels have a bigger budget so we get to see more sci-fi elements like potentially Annihilus and whatnot. And if they keep the budget around the same, they can still manage to do Annihilus or Frightful Four as villains and whatnot.

I think the sequel will have them on a proper public "superhero" costumes that the government owns, they'll do their space adventures and whatnot.

I really wanna see Latveria too!

 

[the gael]

What if... just what if this movie actually surprises the GA and becomes a box office hit?? I know it's kind of unlikely but I can't help but have that thought. Do you think that would make Fox think three times about the sequel and make it more comic accurate and faithful character/story wise?

If we have the bad luck to have a successful movie, then forget the sequel to be more accurate. Why would Fox try to make the movie more like the comics, and risk what happened to ASM2, if they already have a public.

That's the more important thing : If you want a comic book accurate FF film, then this movie has to flop. We don't need this movie to flop to have a chance to bring the license back to Marvel ( even if it would be sweet ) or because it's made by Fox ( a dumb reason ) We need this movie to flop to save the true essence of the FF. That's a more serious reason.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Yeah, if the GA likes this movie, Fox will probably give them more of the same, not "something more faithful to the comics."

 

[Docker2.0]

Well to be fair last years TMNT had it's share of fan backlash and despite that it did ok at the boxoffice. Now they're going into a sequel and it seems they're making quite a few changes. It looks to be a soft reboot, so in the case with the FF sequel it could still be a possibility

Not to mention expensive reshoots. I'm curious as to the marketing of this thing. There are rumors that the budget has skyrocketed up to $180M. If you include another $50M into marketing, that makes it having to make up to $230M just to break even.

 

[psylockolussus]

Kelly, you might be right regarding no new trailer.

I have given up hope we will get more footage.

Look out for TV ads and featurettes.

 

[Marvin]

I do when it pertains to certain properties...

The Fantastic Four is typically one of the more light-hearted properties... where at it's darkest should maybe be at Avengers and Avengers: AOU levels.. which i wouldn't consider those films remotely "grounded and gritty".

Similarly i feel the same way about Spider-Man, Runaways, Young Avengers, Power Pack, New Warriors, etc... there can be moments that can be a bit more "grounded and gritty" but i wouldn't want those films to be solely labeled as such because it's not a proper representation of those characters.


it's the equivalent of making a "light hearted fantasy" take on The Punisher, Daredevil, or Blade... i don't want that, it doesn't suit them

As long as you are speaking for what you are looking for and not what generally applies.
Someone could have just as easily said 'dark and gritty' doesn't suit Xmen/Batman given what they came up on, before creators and editors proved the opposite.
Anything can be done in anyway and that's the beauty of this art form, there are characters like superman(of all people) that have celebrated works across the spectrum of tone. What's really happening is people have a preference, or at least think they do at this point in time, and are arguing for it, little more. All well and good until I see words such as 'supposed to' or "doesn't suit..."
You want what you want but to speaking to some greater observation is what I find taking that a step further into self importance.
You think FF works best when it's one way, cool I suppose that explains not only where you are coming from but why you don't like what you are seeing that far(that and open mind stuff). But to reach further and claim it's not right or won't work for everyone else...
You very well might hate his movie(seems you already do), but that's a very long way from it not being amazing/awesome/good/great.

You mentioned blade. I'm not sure if you read the original comics but if you did, you would have grounds to make the same argument about colorful costumes and fun and not grounded and such. Until you couldn't...at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

@Willie
As for this idea that what this movie we (supposedly) haven't seen anything of can be described as something more G&G than the likes of TWS... I find all of that very much on the selective side.
Using the excuse that the filmmakers used the words in one scenario but supposedly not the other means little given filmmakers use words all the time. Bay and the GI Joe filmmakers for instance...
I even remember the TMNT reboot guy talking about things like The Raid. Hows about we judge what comes after the fact for what it actually is.
Selectively calling TWS one of the 20 things it is, whilst ignoring that it was grounded and dark and gritty then zeroing in on thing one supposed aspect of this is again...selective. What I've seen of this is akin to the Xmen movies to be honest.

 

[Dark Raven]

But they can't do that! Speedos are cheesy.

Better to go buck naked and dickless instead.

Speedos are only considered cheesy in the US on beaches (and maybe pools as well). In other countries they are acceptable and sometimes even mandatory. Certainly if you're a serious swimmer though, you wouldn't be wearing drag shorts as they create too much resistance. Not that any of this applies to Ben Grimm, but just saying.

Who thought it was a good idea for the Thing to walk around naked? Better yet for him to not have any balls? This is a horrible idea and I'm not sure this is for kids. Who wants to see a naked, rock hard man walk around that's neutered?

It's like that scene in Almost Human where Karl Urban walks in on the android changing room in the police station and sees that most of them don't have anything down there because it wasn't needed.

Not even touching this one.....

*backs out of thread*

Don't worry. There's nothing to touch.

 

[Quasar]

Not to mention expensive reshoots. I'm curious as to the marketing of this thing. There are rumors that the budget has skyrocketed up to $180M. If you include another $50M into marketing, that makes it having to make up to $230M just to break even.

It'll probably end up being more like $50,000 in marketing, the way Fox is going.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

You know who I'll bet is really happy right now?

Joel Schumacher.

Just think, Bat-Nipples will no longer be the biggest joke in superhero film history.

Pants-less, penis-less Thing is going to be such a huge joke that once this becomes a little more widely known, expect it to have it's own hashtag and be a running internet gag with memes galore.

 

[Paradox1]

You know who I'll bet is really happy right now?

Joel Schumacher.

Just think, Bat-Nipples will no longer be the biggest joke in superhero film history.

Pants-less, penis-less Thing is going to be such a huge joke that once this becomes a little more widely known, expect it to have it's own hashtag and be a running internet gag with memes galore.

Whether or not the Thing has a thing has been a joke for a very long time. Have you never seen Mall Rats?[YT]watch?v=1vJpAXf5wyk[/YT]

 

[Dark Raven]

You know who I'll bet is really happy right now?

Joel Schumacher.

Just think, Bat-Nipples will no longer be the biggest joke in superhero film history.

Pants-less, penis-less Thing is going to be such a huge joke that once this becomes a little more widely known, expect it to have it's own hashtag and be a running internet gag with memes galore.

I can't wait for the Honest Trailers version of the movie. That should really parody it to an extreme.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Whether or not the Thing has a thing has been a joke for a very long time. Have you never seen Mall Rats?[YT]watch?v=1vJpAXf5wyk[/YT]

Exactly. Because this is precisely the kind of thing geeks like to joke about.

Fox just threw a slow, straight pitch right down the center of the plate for every arm-chair comedian with Photoshop and internet access.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

jeez that Thing picture looked horrendous.

Really? I personally liked it.

 

[Sleiek]

Yeah sequels have a bigger budget so we get to see more sci-fi elements like potentially Annihilus and whatnot. And if they keep the budget around the same, they can still manage to do Annihilus or Frightful Four as villains and whatnot.

I think the sequel will have them on a proper public "superhero" costumes that the government owns, they'll do their space adventures and whatnot.

I really wanna see Latveria too!

Similar to what happened to TMNT 2.

Really? I personally liked it.

Yeah, me too. It is not bad. It is a promotional model after all.

 

[regnak]

Not to mention expensive reshoots. I'm curious as to the marketing of this thing. There are rumors that the budget has skyrocketed up to $180M. If you include another $50M into marketing, that makes it having to make up to $230M just to break even.

No the studio doesn't get all of the BO, the theaters get a cut too. The old rule of thumbs was a movie has to gross double it's budget to break even. Of course since they get lesser %s from overseas it is more than double now. If the budget has gone up to $180 then it has to gross at least $360 million and probably more to break even.

 

[C. Lee]

Enough with the dick jokes....move on.

 

[starscream22]

Nm.........................

 

[spideyboy_1111]

As long as you are speaking for what you are looking for and not what generally applies.
Someone could have just as easily said 'dark and gritty' doesn't suit Xmen/Batman given what they came up on, before creators and editors proved the opposite.
Anything can be done in anyway and that's the beauty of this art form, there are characters like superman(of all people) that have celebrated works across the spectrum of tone. What's really happening is people have a preference, or at least think they do at this point in time, and are arguing for it, little more. All well and good until I see words such as 'supposed to' or "doesn't suit..."
You want what you want but to speaking to some greater observation is what I find taking that a step further into self importance.
You think FF works best when it's one way, cool I suppose that explains not only where you are coming from but why you don't like what you are seeing that far(that and open mind stuff). But to reach further and claim it's not right or won't work for everyone else...
You very well might hate his movie(seems you already do), but that's a very long way from it not being amazing/awesome/good/great.

You mentioned blade. I'm not sure if you read the original comics but if you did, you would have grounds to make the same argument about colorful costumes and fun and not grounded and such. Until you couldn't...at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

@Willie
As for this idea that what this movie we (supposedly) haven't seen anything of can be described as something more G&G than the likes of TWS... I find all of that very much on the selective side.
Using the excuse that the filmmakers used the words in one scenario but supposedly not the other means little given filmmakers use words all the time. Bay and the GI Joe filmmakers for instance...
I even remember the TMNT reboot guy talking about things like The Raid. Hows about we judge what comes after the fact for what it actually is.
Selectively calling TWS one of the 20 things it is, whilst ignoring that it was grounded and dark and gritty then zeroing in on thing one supposed aspect of this is again...selective. What I've seen of this is akin to the Xmen movies to be honest.

i am speaking on peoples general perception... which is why so many have said the exact same thing.

and ugh... again with the "art form" card.. look i'm an artist... but your artistic creativity is pretty limited when you're hired for a project that is not something you created... especially the bigger franchised properties. You're certainly able to put your thumbprint and mark on it.. but the more you distance the source material... the larger the problems arise. This way of thinking use to work in the early 00s when superhero films were all but a dream... so they took this approach... changed alot about the characters. and their looks, and yes.. it was successful at the time. But was it honestly because of the approach? or was it because of the properties and the fact they began to take these films a little more seriously?

X-men is a prime example... X1 in many ways, while still a great film is a hollow shell of what the comics are like... even X2 distanced themselves quite a bit. All great films though... but are they good portrayals of the X-men? are they really good "X-men" films? that's pretty debatable. I also don't think it's any secret that Post Spider-Man and Avengers... we now have movies that tend to mirror the comics pretty well... and I think it's no wonder as to why the X-men movies have begun to "adjust" themselves slowly, more in line with the comics... they're a bit brighter, there's more color, more costuming, more personality traits begining to pop up... gone are the days of "lets give them black costumes and make it ground and gritty" I don't think majority of people want to go back to that way of interpreting comic films... it was great for the time. but now, now it's pretty dated. And this film will likely suffer for it.

and the new TMNT movie is not something i'd ever compare as a "good thing"

 

[Paradox1]

Exactly. Because this is precisely the kind of thing geeks like to joke about.

Fox just threw a slow, straight pitch right down the center of the plate for every arm-chair comedian with Photoshop and internet access.

A comedian , or a joker is going to make jokes regardless of the situation or circumstance. They make fun of everything most of which aren't even funny in the slightest to me at least. Besides the public has had 15yrs of naked Mystique, naked apes, a naked rock man probably won't get much of a peep.

 

[Black Narcissus]

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[Sleiek]

Goddamn I missed what you were gonna say.