Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 34

[Docker2.0]

The word on the street is that it's Ike Perlmutter that's leading the charge on this one, though he is a major Disney stockholder via the big purchase. (Rumors have flown around for some time that he may take a larger role in Disney down the line, too)

If that happens, I expect more "little" things to happen. Can't lie though, dude is doing good by Marvel, way better than Avi Arad. Dude saved Marvel at the time but he made some boneheaded decisions as well.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

They wanted 3D from the beginning.

Yet didn't film in 3D

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm going to be honest, I really don't think it's Marvel. I think a lot of it is Disney. Disney is crazy like that. They tried to find loopholes in those contracts and couldn't so now they are squeezing these guys slowly but surely.

I think it also has to do with legal theory. Trademarks need to be controlled and limited to maintain those trademarks.

I have sat in on (extremely boring) meetings in which our lawyers have told us that if we don't enforce our trademarks and make every effort to prevent people from using them without our permission, those trademarks could be considered part of the public domain and we'd lose our exclusive rights to those trademarks.

I suspect it has much more to do with that than Marvel trying to 'get' Fox in some way. It doesn't look like Fox even has any interest in putting '4's on the FF, so I don't see how this hurts them in any way.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah this is almost certainly coming straight from Ike P. He's the one they say kicked all this off by canceling the FF's book and tearing down posters in the Marvel offices.

I also don't doubt that Disney lawyers are waiting to pounce on this stuff in a heartbeat. They want their toys back.

 

[Eddie]

You... you do realize that it's obvious the 3D was 100% planned but was scrapped due to reasons outside Trank's control, right? Dude obviously lied, as pointed out by others.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

And you clearly don't understand my point. If 3D was so important as he states the. why not film in 3D?

I'm going to be honest, I really don't think it's Marvel. I think a lot of it is Disney. Disney is crazy like that. They tried to find loopholes in those contracts and couldn't so now they are squeezing these guys slowly but surely.

Things like this won't affect the movie though that's why it's so pointless and petty

 

[Eddie]

It might affect the movie. Having a toy line in the aisles of Wal-Mart and Target certainly doesn't hurt with getting kids interested in these characters.

 

[Kelly]

My expertise in charts is relegated to finance institions such as stock and commodities.What I can tell you from this chart is that it's a volatile market. In which the highs and low don't indicate much to me without some context. For example outside of the day indicated when commercials started no other day of importance is indicated. There is no chart of similar movies that were released around the same time. Looking at a chart in a vacuum is looking like at one popcorn seed pop. How can you tell if this seed is popping as fast as others.

Very simply put....in a chart like that, the only thing you would want to see is....

A month out? You should be charting far above when you started your promotion....FAR ABOVE IT. Doesn't matter how volatile the market is, 1 month out from your opening should be the highest point of fan and audience excitement. You can spin that all you want, but that is not rocket science.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

It might affect the movie. Having a toy line in the aisles of Wal-Mart and Target certainly doesn't hurt with getting kids interested in these characters.

It'd be a benefit sure but X-Men Days of Future Past managed to do more than fine with no toys.

People will see movies if they like the looks of the movies.

Outside factors like toylines, sticker books, collectibles, clothing and so forth would earn money for those who profit from them and add more awareness that could translate to more box office but the lack of them won't deter people if they like the look of a movie.

 

[Sithborg]

You Foxholmers have a lot of trouble remembering what the makers of this film have stated.

It's comments like these that have made this a toxic place to visit.

 

[marvelmadness13]

And you clearly don't understand my point. If 3D was so important as he states the. why not film in 3D?

Because it's cheaper to film standard. In any case you're missing the point, which is that 3D was very important to them, so much that they filmed scenes specifically for it. This also means that any claim that the cancellation was for artistic reason or that that's how they meant it is a lie.

Seriously was someone in your immediate family a set designer on this or what?

 

[Eddie]

It'd be a benefit sure but X-Men Days of Future Past managed to do more than fine with no toys.

People will see movies if they like the looks of the movies.

Outside factors like toylines, sticker books, collectibles, clothing and so forth would earn money for those who profit from them and add more awareness that could translate to more box office but the lack of them won't deter people if they like the look of a movie.

Two things here...

1. There were absolutely X-Men toys on the shelf when DoFP came out, just not movie themed toys. Even then, they kinda tied in (Sentinel Lego set, for example). Marvel hadn't started snubbing them completely yet.

2. DoFP had a pretty bad profit margin for such a high grossing film. At least ten films that made less at the box office were actually more profitable films.

 

[Flint Marko]

Because it's cheaper to film standard. In any case you're missing the point, which is that 3D was very important to them, so much that they filmed scenes specifically for it. This also means that any claim that the cancellation was for artistic reason or that that's how they meant it is a lie.

Seriously was someone in your immediate family a set designer on this or what?

Absolutely. It's clear as day, flat out undeniable, that the 3D conversion was cancelled due to budgetary concerns. And yet some will try and spin that like it isn't a bad thing.

 

[C. Lee]

It's comments like these that have made this a toxic place to visit.

That's why he was infracted for it.

 

[Eddie]

Does seem pretty 'toxic' at times. Hopefully, like other places in similar circumstances, the release footage will get more people interested.

Anyways, working in the 3d industry, I actually appreciate when the odd big film avoids conversion. This sentiment is far more celebrated when Nolan makes his proclamations however, not so much here of course. I can't remember but F7 seemed to do pretty well for itself inspite of avoiding conversion.
Tranks prior film avoided 3D as well, didn't really bother me personally.

You missed the part where this film was absolutely supposed to be 3D, it was filmed with it in mind, and it was initially marketed as a 3D film. There's only one reason this film isn't in 3D:

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's comments like these that have made this a toxic place to visit.

Definitely.

 

[Docker2.0]

And you clearly don't understand my point. If 3D was so important as he states the. why not film in 3D?



Things like this won't affect the movie though that's why it's so pointless and petty

All of the little things are adding up though. No toys, no tie ins, no comics. The only thing Fox is getting is from the Box office and some of that goes to Disney/Marvel. This movie getting it's budget back is not enough to keep making films.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Does seem pretty 'toxic' at times. Hopefully, like other places in similar circumstances, the release footage will get more people interested.

Anyways, working in the 3d industry, I actually appreciate when the odd big film avoids conversion. This sentiment is far more celebrated when Nolan makes his proclamations however, not so much here of course. I can't remember but F7 seemed to do pretty well for itself inspite of avoiding conversion.
Tranks prior film avoided 3D as well, didn't really bother me personally.

Well it's not entirely just about 3D

 

[starscream22]

Yet didn't film in 3D

Is that really helping your defense for Trank and Fox if that's true?

They pushed this film back twice, so it's not like timing was the reason.

I think people with sense enough to get the full picture here will go with Trank being full of crap and this reboot being the last minute crappy rights grab we said it would be over a year ago.

 

[Paradox1]

Very simply put....in a chart like that, the only thing you would want to see is....

A month out? You should be charting far above when you started your promotion....FAR ABOVE IT. Doesn't matter how volatile the market is, 1 month out from your opening should be the highest point of fan and audience excitement. You can spin that all you want, but that is not rocket science.

The marketing has little affect on that chart which is why it's useless. The high on the chart has nothing to do with marketing but actually when MBJ was first rumored as Johnny Storm. The affect of the first and second trailers aren't indicated. So how the public feels about it isn't even a factor. Which leads to the real question being ask,Is the marketing working for the film? It doesn't show anything to me that would indicate that but that just my opinion on it.

 

[starscream22]

All of the little things are adding up though. No toys, no tie ins, no comics. The only thing Fox is getting is from the Box office and some of that goes to Disney/Marvel. This movie getting it's budget back is not enough to keep making films.

Amen!

And here's to Disney giving these greedy, petty, SOB's a check and being done with it.

 

[starscream22]

Here is Josh Trank's thought on 3d conversion. “I want the viewing experience of ‘Fantastic Four’ to remain as pure as possible for the audience, which means in 2D, just as we shot the movie,” said Trank. In the article it mentions "Although post-conversions have improved since then, public enthusiasm has waned and audiences often find the immersive technology superfluous." http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/460919-fantastic-four-3d-conversion-cancelled-by-josh-trank

Riiiiiiiight
I'm sure films like Fast 7, AOU, JW and soon Ant-man will be crying to bank due to the lack of "purity" the moviegoers experienced.

You do understand that it is a game, right? No actual investors are involved.

Okay so in this "game" is stock prices dropping a good thing or bad?

 

[Mad Ones]

You'd think true fans of the Fantastic Four would be upset that Disney doesn't even publish their comics anymore.

 

[Drz]

You'd think true fans of the Fantastic Four would be upset that Disney doesn't even publish their comics anymore.

Well they've basically disbanded the FF so the characters appear in comics, but the family is broken.

Atleast Secret Wars, which is Marvel's big 2015 event and rocking the sales is actually a Dr. Doom story vs. Reed Richards, and it also has Ultimate Reed Richards! Which the movie has adapted. :b

 

[Eddie]

You'd think true fans of the Fantastic Four would be upset that Disney doesn't even publish their comics anymore.

They're still using the characters.

Every one of them is moving to a book that has an MCU adaptation, but they're still using them. (Ben's going to be a Guardian of the Galaxy, Johnny's making out with Medusa in an Inhumans book, etc.)