Fant4stic Fantastic Four 2?

[metaphysician]

If I were setting Vegas odds, I'd guess something like:

Chances of Fox making a new FF movie before reversion date: 2%

Chances of Fox making a Silver Surfer movie before reversion date: 5%

Chances of Fox and Marvel making a Sony-type deal before reversion date: 36%

Chances of Marvel making a deal to get the rights outright before reversion date: 30%

Chances of nothing happening and rights quietly reverting in in 2022 when Fox fails to begin production by deadline: 27%

I think you *greatly* overestimate the odds of a Sony-type deal. Bluntly, Fox has way too little to offer for something that sweet.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

2024

May - Secret Wars: Part 1 (Beyonder as villain. Released by Fox.)

Late Summer - Secret Wars: Part 2 (Doctor Doom as villain. Released by Disney)

That's my ideal Phase 4. Something that really brings the FF into the MCU and does some very interesting things with Doom, Kang and Annihilus (and Blaastar as a henchman in Guardians 3.) Then end it with a deal to collaborate on the biggest film of all time with the single largest cast of any film ever in two parts filmed as one. That's what I'd do.

I'd prefer AvX before Secret Wars

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

If I were setting Vegas odds, I'd guess something like:

Chances of Fox making a new FF movie before reversion date: 2%

Chances of Fox making a Silver Surfer movie before reversion date: 5%

Chances of Fox and Marvel making a Sony-type deal before reversion date: 36%

Chances of Marvel making a deal to get the rights outright before reversion date: 30%

Chances of nothing happening and rights quietly reverting in in 2022 when Fox fails to begin production by deadline: 27%

I have the following:

Chances of Fox making a new FF movie before reversion date: 1%

Chances of Fox making a Silver Surfer movie before reversion date: 1%

Chances of Fox and Marvel making a Sony-type deal before reversion date: 5%

Chances of Marvel making a deal to get the rights outright before reversion date: 80%

Chances of nothing happening and rights quietly reverting in in 2022 when Fox fails to begin production by deadline: 13%

I'll play! :

Chances of Fox making a new FF movie before reversion date: 8% (probably yet another reboot as opposed to a sequel... they've fast tracked before)

Chances of Fox making a Silver Surfer movie before reversion date: 14% (probably could net Fox some value with the MCU going cosmic over the next few years)

Chances of Fox and Marvel making a Sony-type deal before reversion date: 9% (I had some hopes of this, but it's looking less likely)

Chances of Marvel making a deal to get the rights outright before reversion date: 23% (eh. I mean, it seems smart for Marvel to do, but I'm not gonna put my money on it)

Chances of nothing happening and rights quietly reverting in in 2022 when Fox fails to begin production by deadline: 46% (I see this as most likely and more likely every day we get closer)

 

[metaphysician]

I can't see Silver Surfer being more likely than another FF reboot. If they aren't willing to put decent effort into the FF, they won't put even more resources into making an even more obscure franchise movie.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'll try, and I'll even add an option.

Chances of Fox making a new FF movie before reversion date: 10%. They've done it before, and Fox is notorious for not wanting to give up their properties. However, Fant4stic was such a financial failure it is hard to justify trying again. It would have no chance for success.

Chances of Fox making a Fant4stic sequel: 0%. Not happening. If they try again it will be a reboot. No matter what Kinberg says.

Chances of Fox making a Silver Surfer movie before reversion date: 5%. They have never shown interest before and even now they bring up Fantastic Four in interviews and such, never Silver Surfer. It isn't even certain that a Silver Surfer would allow them to keep the rights and it would cost more than Fox is willing to pay. Not totally impossible, but I think it is even less likely than simply rebooting Fantastic Four again.

Chances of Fox and Marvel making a Sony-type deal before reversion date: 1%. Even that might be too high. There is no reason why Marvel should want to do this. The Fantastic Four brings nowhere near the value that Spider-Man does. Not even close. However, there is a very tiny chance this could happen if it is a deal for the X-Men and the Fantastic Four just happen to get included as an afterthought. But that doesn't really make sense for either side.

Chances of Marvel making a deal to get the rights outright before reversion date: 34%. A fair shot of happening, but I don't think it is the most likely outcome, especially as time passes. Marvel has all the leverage and that presents a problem when it comes to cutting checks. And the closer we get to deadline, the less they will likely be willing to offer if they think they can get it for free. Fox executives meanwhile are likely going to try to save their own skin by kicking the can down the road as long as possible. That said, Marvel may be unwilling to take chances and a desperate Fox could be willing to accept any offer as well. So it remains a good possibility.

Chances of nothing happening and rights quietly reverting in in 2022 when Fox fails to begin production by deadline: 50%. The most likely outcome. Fox hangs onto the rights as long as possible, at which point they have to make a decision. There are attempts to try and get a new film off the ground, but Fox is ultimately unwilling to flush that much money down the toilet and filmmakers avoid the project like the plague. The new Fantastic Four film ends up in developmental hell and the rights revert.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

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I can't see Silver Surfer being more likely than another FF reboot. If they aren't willing to put decent effort into the FF, they won't put even more resources into making an even more obscure franchise movie.

This is why I think it's unlikely - Silver Surfer would be an "out-there" sci-fi film with a character that has a cult followig but is generally not well known by most people.

It would be risky and expensive and require imaination - which is the opposite of what Fox wants. They want to spend a little and get a lot, like they did with Deadpool. (and none of their superhero films have had the sort od scale and scope an SS film would need).

But while I think SS is unlikely, I still think it's more likely than FF because they haven't sucked the life out of SS yet.

FF would be a disaster from the moment they announced it, but SS would at least have a chance.

Though I think some of the fan hatred that would make an FF film a near impossibility would leak over to SS.

It's highly unlikely no matter how you look at it, but highly unlikely is a little more likely than the extremely unlikely case of them doing another FF.

 

[AlluAllu]

This might already have been discussed, but if Fox made an animated movie, would that count?

 

[Orba]

This might already have been discussed, but if Fox made an animated movie, would that count?

Not as far as I'm aware, animated rights are usually separate from the film rights and offhand I'm pretty sure that Marvel already have the animation rights, the FF appeared in an episode of Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. in 2015.

 

[AlluAllu]

Yeah, that's probably how it is. But I wonder if there's any distinction between animation for tv and animation for theatrical release.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah, that's probably how it is. But I wonder if there's any distinction between animation for tv and animation for theatrical release.

I'm nearly certain Fox's license very specifically includes the "live-action film rights" and nothing else.

Marvel might have agreed to not make their own animated feature as long as Fox has the live action rights, but I'm nearly 100% certain ( based on many things I've read ) that Fox's rights are live-action only.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

So it seems like, after Jackman, Kebbell is the second actor playing a Marvel character for Fox stating that the only way he would return to his role were if the movie would be produced by Marvel Studios, admitting that Fox didn't understand Doctor Doom.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So it seems like, after Jackman, Kebbell is the second actor playing a Marvel character for Fox stating that the only way he would return to his role were if the movie would be produced by Marvel Studios, admitting that Fox didn't understand Doctor Doom.

Didn't Jennifer Lawrence also make a similar statement? And Chris Evans and Michael B. Jordan have already crossed over.

Who else? It seems to be a movement.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

maybe 10 years from now Toby Kebbell will play grown up legit Doom for the MCU :P

 

[TheVileOne]

maybe 10 years from now Toby Kebbell will play grown up legit Doom for the MCU :P

Kebbell is actually 34 years old.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Kebbell is actually 34 years old.

35 is the new 18

 

[psylockolussus]

Didn't Jennifer Lawrence also make a similar statement? And Chris Evans and Michael B. Jordan have already crossed over.

Who else? It seems to be a movement.

Peter Dinklage.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Yeah. Your chances have already been spent, friend.

Agreed. How in denial must he be to think there is "one more chance"?

And what are the real chances that Fox will hand over the rights? It is kind of crazy how they stubbornly refuse to hand it over.

Isn't it costing them more money than they could possibly make back?

It's insanity that must be rooted in ego. There is no logical reason for any studio to hang onto rights for a property which has failed them 3 times. Usually a property is dropped after 1 failure.

So it has to be about someone's ego.

 

[Jean-Luc Picard]

Peter Dinklage.

What did he cross over from?

 

[Big Bang]

All I know is this. If Marvel got the FF back, we'd likely have another Avengers level of hype & fanfare for the film they would produce with their first family.

The trailers alone would be better received than any FF produced by Fox. Heck you could probably say the same for most of their Marvel films (with only a handful of exceptions).

Fox knows this, and are simply trying to avoid that embarrassment.

 

[Dasher10]

All I know is this. If Marvel got the FF back, we'd likely have another Avengers level of hype & fanfare for the film they would produce with their first family.

The trailers alone would be better received than any FF produced by Fox. Heck you could probably say the same for most of their Marvel films (with only a handful of exceptions).

Fox knows this, and are simply trying to avoid that embarrassment.

Is embarrassment really worth knowing that any sequel or reboot would lose money, regardless of quality? There has NEVER been a good FF film. It isn't a situation like Casino Royale where Die Another Day was horrible but there were once great Bond films.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

What did he cross over from?

X-Men: Days of Future Past

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

All I know is this. If Marvel got the FF back, we'd likely have another Avengers level of hype & fanfare for the film they would produce with their first family.

The trailers alone would be better received than any FF produced by Fox. Heck you could probably say the same for most of their Marvel films (with only a handful of exceptions).

Fox knows this, and are simply trying to avoid that embarrassment.

The problem is that there is no way to avoid embarrassment.

Fox's choices:

1. Let the rights revert to Marvel. Suffer major embarassment.
2. Make a new Fantastic Four film which is guaranteed to bomb. Suffer major embarassment AND lose tens of millions of dollars.

Either way, Fox loses. There is no way in which Fox comes out of this looking good.

 

[Jean-Luc Picard]

X-Men: Days of Future Past

What did he cross over to then?

 

[Web-Head]

Fantastic Four 2?

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

What did he cross over to then?

I believe he's been cast in Infinity War.