Fant4stic Fantastic Four Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[InCali]

That's all well and good, but leaping on people who have other perspectives isn't cool.

To be honest, I'm glad i wasn't following all that stuff. I had a few worries about the movie, wondered if they really could botch it up so much (in a time without Rothman and just after DoFP), then saw it, thought it was a misfire, and that was about it.

I then came in here to see what the latest rumours etc were about the future of the franchise. Yes, I'm debating in here and chiming in with my perceptions about social media, and my suspicion that Fox will leave it in cinemas as long as possible and not cut their losses immediately, but mostly I'm wondering how they screwed it up and what they will do next.

Well, you've come to the right place if you're wondering how they screwed up. I think that's been pretty well documented. I think the social media part is basically irrelevant unless you want to discuss the differences in a forum of this nature and twitter or facebook (but don't think this is the place for it).

The future of the franchise in Fox's hands is, IMO, pretty much zilch and whether the studio wants it in the theaters may not be relevant beyond any contractual agreements they have. Theater owners are going to want to get rid of FF asap because they want people to come and pay them money. When you look at a SH movie that is in danger of falling out of the top 20 (it has very similar box office numbers to a lot of the movies trailing it) in it's 4th week in release, you aren't looking at something that's long for the theater world. Ant-Man, for example, is at #8 in it's 7th week of release and will probably still be in the top 10 until the weekend after next. Which movie do you think the theater owners are going to give the most showings?

EDIT: I think the real question people are interested in here, as FF fans, is "Will Marvel get the FF back?"

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I truly cannot believe that any fan could possibly want Fox to continue to be stewards of these characters after over a decade of utter incompetency.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I truly cannot believe that any fan could possibly want Fox to continue to be stewards of these characters after over a decade of utter incompetency.

I know I don't. I tried to give them a chance this time even though they had screwed up so badly with the first two times, and we saw how that worked out.

I'm not even giving them a chance if they do it again. I'm not interested.

 

[InCali]

I know I don't. I tried to give them a chance this time even though they had screwed up so badly with the first two times, and we saw how that worked out.

I'm not even giving them a chance if they do it again. I'm not interested.

Certainly neither of the first 2 FF movies were in the same league as what we've come to expect from Marvel. This genre has matured over the last 10 years to be sure.

All that being said, I liked the first FF movie (the one with Chris Evans). I wanted to see the FF on screen so bad.......

 

[X-Maniac]

I think the real question people are interested in here, as FF fans, is "Will Marvel get the FF back?"

That depends. If this latest movie was merely a cynical attempt to RETAIN rights and nothing else, then they wouldn't seem to be interested in letting go of those rights.

Otherwise, it's possible that Marvel will get the FF back... if Fox wants control of X-Men merchandising (action figures! yay!) and an X-Men TV show.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

X-Maniac talking about people being hateful in the same post where he's calling the entire section names and accusing Willie of having a "warped perspective"

Here for no other reason that to rile people up. Trolls gonna troll.

 

[Tony Stark]

That depends. If this latest movie was merely a cynical attempt to RETAIN rights and nothing else, then they wouldn't seem to be interested in letting go of those rights.

Otherwise, it's possible that Marvel will get the FF back... if Fox wants control of X-Men merchandising (action figures! yay!) and an X-Men TV show.

The TV show is likely negotiable, the merchandising Marvel will never give up. And quite frankly X-men merchandising doesn't sell.

 

[Eddie]

They're not getting merchandise rights from Marvel... but they may be trying to work a deal out with Marvel making merchandise. Marvel's been licensing out Deadpool like crazy...

 

[Zarex]

They're not getting merchandise rights from Marvel... but they may be trying to work a deal out with Marvel making merchandise. Marvel's been licensing out Deadpool like crazy...

Deadpool's high profile in both merchandising, video games and the comics seems to go against Marvel's downgrading of the X-Men and FF characer families. But I think this is one character where Marvel is ok with the status quo.

Pool isn't a great fit in the MCU, the Netflix shows or ABC, so his live action rights don't hold that much value to Marvel. But he moves product - not like Spidey, but still pretty darn well given his cult status. And his trade paper backs are consistently high sellers.

This could all change if FOX's Deadpool movie is a breakout BO success and starts a successful franchise. Marvel tends to be on better terms with their licensing partners when most of the revenue generated from the character ends up in the company's coffers, ala Spidey.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

X-Maniac talking about people being hateful in the same post where he's calling the entire section names and accusing Willie of having a "warped perspective"

Here for no other reason that to rile people up. Trolls gonna troll.

Eh cut X-Maniac some slack. He's having a real hard time coming to terms with some stark realities. Passive aggressive trolling is his way of coping.

 

[InCali]

That depends. If this latest movie was merely a cynical attempt to RETAIN rights and nothing else, then they wouldn't seem to be interested in letting go of those rights.

Otherwise, it's possible that Marvel will get the FF back... if Fox wants control of X-Men merchandising (action figures! yay!) and an X-Men TV show.

It could have been a little bit of both. Yeah, they wanted to retain the rights and rushed it or didn't exercise due diligence, but figured "Hey, we can make some money off this and do a sequel". As they ended up with a severely damaged franchise with no hope of a sequel and maybe a 9 digit loss, maybe they'll try to make a deal.

 

[starscream22]

I'm glad you posted this because I was afraid that I had over-reacted initially.

But now I see that you really do have nothing to say and aren't worth my time.

Nope you didn't overreact. The initial comment that kick started these chain of events tells the real tale. He's clearly one of the Fox-followers who were routing for this film to be success and shut us all up. That didn't happen so this is the bi-product of this reboot falling on its face.

Even I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Then you extended an olive branch only to watch him slap it out of your hand with a bunch of pointless ranting and supposition, while thinking old plead ignorance bit would grant him impunity. "Fox-Troll 2.0" if you will.

 

[Tymminator]

Monday=151,447.

 

[Krystal]

Monday=151,447.

Not bad for 45th day of release!

 

[Tymminator]

Not bad for 45th day of release!

To bad it's Fant4stic's 25 day.

 

[X-Maniac]

Nope you didn't overreact. The initial comment that kick started these chain of events tells the real tale. He's clearly one of the Fox-followers who were routing for this film to be success and shut us all up. That didn't happen so this is the bi-product of this reboot falling on its face.

Even I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Then you extended an olive branch only to watch him slap it out of your hand with a bunch of pointless ranting and supposition, while thinking old plead ignorance bit would grant him impunity. "Fox-Troll 2.0" if you will.

LOL.. Of course I was rooting for this film to be a success. That doesn't make me a 'Fox-follower'. It makes me someone who wants to see a good movie, and in this case a good Fantastic Four movie. I'm sure many people were also rooting for the film to be good, except those who just want F4 back at Marvel at any cost and were praying for this film to fail.

At the moment, the interesting thing is what will happen next with the F4.

As for the box office, it will limp along and (obviously) eventually disappear, though it has yet to even open in Italy and Japan. Then there will be the DVD/Blu-ray release where they will hope to recoup a bit more of the expenditure. Beyond that is where it gets more interesting.

 

[Suzanne78]

To bad it's Fant4stic's 25 day.

Fox is rollin' in it... Though the "it" is most likely **** and not money.

So what is this projected to finish at? Close to $55 or less?

 

[Spiderine]

Fox is rollin' in it... Though the "it" is most likely **** and not money.

So what is this projected to finish at? Close to $55 or less?

Doesn't appear that it will beat the opening weekend of its predecessors released 10 and 8 years ago. Looking at inflation it looks even worse.

I hope FOX got what they wanted. They get to keep the rights a little longer. HOORAY..........

 

[metaphysician]

The fun thing is,if you go to the Apocalypse boards,Every now and then they start talking trash about MCU,because apparently they can't just talk about the thread's darn movie. Last day one of Fox loyalists said Civil War was going to be CWINO,just like Daredevil was going to be DDINO because of his black costume. It's all Real.

See, what confuses me is: How is that supposed to be a bad thing? Civil War *sucked*, having the movie only bare the faintest resemblance is an unmitigated good thing.

 

[Tymminator]

Fox is rollin' in it... Though the "it" is most likely **** and not money.

So what is this projected to finish at? Close to $55 or less?

I'm no expert, but I would say that if it got a final of 55M domestic total, I would call that a win because I don't think it will quite get it.

If I had to make a guess I would say 53-54M but you know what?

PROVE ME WRONG, FANT4STIC! MAKE THAT 55M AND PROVE ME WRONG! IN FACT REALLY PROVE ME WRONG AND GO FOR 56M! THAT WILL TEACH ME!

 

[TeeKay]

This film is failing to make what Ant-Man did in its opening weekend? Let that sink in.

 

[Erzengel]

I have a Fantastic Four t-shirt, way before the opening of any movies. After the first 2, it became a work out shirt. Now I just use it to sleep in.

 

[metaphysician]

What Mandarin ? As far as I recall he has yet to enter the MCU even if his presence has been acknowledged.
The Mandarin wasn't in Iron Man 3, plain and simple. How many times are we gonna have to go through this ?

Yes, the Mandarin was in IM3. Who do you think Tony fought in the finale?

The fact that you don't *like* that Killian was the Mandarin changes nothing.

 

[wobbly]

Yes, the Mandarin was in IM3. Who do you think Tony fought in the finale?

The fact that you don't *like* that Killian was the Mandarin changes nothing.

Technically, as far as MCU continuity goes, Killian wasn't the true Mandarin either: In the "All hail the king" short, it is revealed the 'Ten Rings' are a real thing (as was certainly hinted at in IM1) as is their leader, the ages old Mandarin, who is a wee bit p#ssed that Trevor usurped his name.

Whether the short was made as a backtrack to the response of IM3's twist, or was always the plan, I don't know (given the the little joke about vicious message boards in it I'd go with the former...) but what remains is the centuries old warlord Mandarin is still out there and can be brought in with the Ten Rings etc, should Marvel follow up on that.

 

[InCali]

Not bad for 45th day of release!

Ant-Man (the risky MCU movie) on the 46th day of release:

$279,286

Not bad......