Fant4stic Fantastic Four Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[Flint Marko]

I'm sure many people were also rooting for the film to be good, except those who just want F4 back at Marvel at any cost and were praying for this film to fail.

What about the people who wanted a good FF adaption (Willie in particular, a lifelong fan of the property with no interest in studio wars) but were honestly put off by every single bit of information we heard about the film prior to it's release? Which is understandable, given the obvious liberties it took with the property from the start and the insurmountable rumors of behind the scenes issues. Funny thing is, most people in this section have described themselves as much for close to a year. But you wouldn't know that, since you admit you haven't spent a lot of time here.
You seem to be of the mind that fans can't make any judgement on a movie before they see it, even if literally everything we hear about the movie is overwhelmingly negative, which is hogwash.

 

[Dark Raven]

I have a Fantastic Four t-shirt, way before the opening of any movies. After the first 2, it became a work out shirt. Now I just use it to sleep in.

You should just use it as toilet paper now after FFINO.

 

[Eddie]

You should just use it as toilet paper now after FFINO.

Haven't the Fantastic Four been through enough crap lately?

 

[JKKS085]

Yes, the Mandarin was in IM3. Who do you think Tony fought in the finale?

The fact that you don't *like* that Killian was the Mandarin changes nothing.

I actually don't mind Killian as some sort of Mandarin update even if he lacks decorum and isn't exactly a memorable vilain either.

And in regards to the "real" Mandarin, what wobbly said.

 

[InCali]

LOL.. Of course I was rooting for this film to be a success. That doesn't make me a 'Fox-follower'. It makes me someone who wants to see a good movie, and in this case a good Fantastic Four movie. I'm sure many people were also rooting for the film to be good, except those who just want F4 back at Marvel at any cost and were praying for this film to fail.

At the moment, the interesting thing is what will happen next with the F4.

As for the box office, it will limp along and (obviously) eventually disappear, though it has yet to even open in Italy and Japan. Then there will be the DVD/Blu-ray release where they will hope to recoup a bit more of the expenditure. Beyond that is where it gets more interesting.

I was rooting for it to be good AND successful. If it wasn't going to be good, I wanted it to flop as badly as possible. I guess I got choice #2. I have my old FF comics from the mid-60s on my website. They were my favorite SH group. I have them back to when The Inhumans were introduced, Diablo, Death of a Hero, etc.

I agree with you with regard to what's interesting at this point and want the FF back at Marvel where an effort will be made to make a good movie and where they will be treated with some respect.

I don't see FF going over 55M DOM and believe it will be out or almost out of the top 20 after next weekend (The start of its 4th week of release). Ant-Man should be hovering around the top 10 in spite of the fact that it opened 3 weeks earlier than FF. THAT is what happens when you make a good movie instead of some stupid rights protecting movie.

 

[InCali]

I actually don't mind Killian as some sort of Mandarin update even if he lacks decorum and isn't exactly a memorable vilain either.

And in regards to the "real" Mandarin, what wobbly said.

I didn't see the Mandarin in IM3. Maybe a case could be made that he was in it, but that's not how I read it.

 

[Krystal]

Limp along and eventually disappear.
Can I get paid for repeating a phrase over and over again?
This movie will be out of theaters faster any large budget movie in years, but this odd facination with pretending it's like any other movie is... what?

 

[InCali]

Limp along and eventually disappear.
Can I get paid for repeating a phrase over and over again?
This movie will be out of theaters faster any large budget movie in years, but this odd facination with pretending it's like any other movie is... what?

Only if you want to run for and get elected to public office.

You're the one who said it....the "odd" fascination is, well, "odd".

It ISN'T like other movies. I swear, it's like watching the box office numbers for Avatar only in reverse. I get this really macabre sense of fascination when I track the numbers for this movie. It's like a wreck on the other side of the freeway. You know you shouldn't look, but you grab a quick peek....well some of us do.....others practically stop to look things over.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

except those who just want F4 back at Marvel at any cost and were praying for this film to fail.

That would be me.

 

[InCali]

That would be me.

An unabashed confessor!! t:

Is that because you wanted to see FF in the MCU or do you just hate Fox whether or not their movies are any good?

Your post gave me a good laugh....

 

[starscream22]

LOL.. Of course I was rooting for this film to be a success. That doesn't make me a 'Fox-follower'. It makes me someone who wants to see a good movie, and in this case a good Fantastic Four movie.I'm sure many people were also rooting for the film to be good, except those who just want F4 back at Marvel at any cost and were praying for this film to fail.

At the moment, the interesting thing is what will happen next with the F4.

As for the box office, it will limp along and (obviously) eventually disappear, though it has yet to even open in Italy and Japan. Then there will be the DVD/Blu-ray release where they will hope to recoup a bit more of the expenditure. Beyond that is where it gets more interesting.

LOL Fox didn't need our help with ruining this reboot, so painting us the badguys after the fact only tells us how low 4stic supports will stoop to be heard post-release. FYI, GOTG and Winter Soldier both made a combined $17.5M from Italy and Japan. Yet these were deemed good films. 4stic will be lucky to make half of that... And since Hollywood only sees a 4th of the foreign box office and Marvel still gets a cut, IT'S A WRAP FOR THIS FILM!

Small foreign markets and Home Video are not going to magically bounce this film out of the red. So what's really interesting is you having the audacity of telling other people get perspective while admittedly failing to do an accurate Google search on this film the last 2 years or follow simple math.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The track record of Fox regarding the FF movies was very poor before this movie came out so why was anyone shocked that there was "**** Fox" and "give it back to Marvel" sentiment? Fox earned that lack of faith in their handling of the FF property, even before they put this turkey out. How can you blame anyone for not expecting good things?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

An unabashed confessor!! t:

Is that because you wanted to see FF in the MCU or do you just hate Fox whether or not their movies are any good?

Your post gave me a good laugh....

I admit I would never have been fully satisfied with an FF that wasn't integrated into the MCU. I could have accepted a reasonable adaptation but much like the X-Men it would have always felt second rate. And contrary to opinion I do not hate Fox but Ido strongly dislike the contemptible way they have treated their Marvel adaptations.

 

[Jason Kane]

That would be me.

And me

 

[MichaelChen]

Technically, as far as MCU continuity goes, Killian wasn't the true Mandarin either: In the "All hail the king" short, it is revealed the 'Ten Rings' are a real thing (as was certainly hinted at in IM1) as is their leader, the ages old Mandarin, who is a wee bit p#ssed that Trevor usurped his name.

Whether the short was made as a backtrack to the response of IM3's twist, or was always the plan, I don't know (given the the little joke about vicious message boards in it I'd go with the former...) but what remains is the centuries old warlord Mandarin is still out there and can be brought in with the Ten Rings etc, should Marvel follow up on that.

The Mandarin isn't a centuries old warlord, though. You're confusing him with Ra's Al Ghul or maybe Yellow Claw. The Mandarin was a contemporary of Stark back in 1961, and even if the sliding time-scale doesn't apply to him for some reason, is only about 90 now.

The comics have never outright stated Mandarin's age, but we do know his origin: he was a rich kid who spent every last penny of his inheritance on scientific, military, and martial arts training. He then gets evicted by the government for failure to pay his taxes, and the soldiers who evict him are in uniforms that would have been modern in 1961 when the story was published. He's not centuries old. He's a little less than one century old if you ignore the sliding time-scale of comics, likely roughly the same age as Stark if the sliding timescale does apply to him.

Moreover, I don't see any reason why the sliding timescale wouldn't apply to him, since his origin isn't really linked to any specific historical event. In fact, being a rich kid who squanders his money and gets foreclosed on actually makes more sense in modern China than it did in 1960's China.

 

[chamber-music]

The main thing I want from any superhero is to entertained. I don't care which studio makes the movie as along as they make good entertaining movies.

I'm not going to support any film if it looks like it will be rubbish and the studio isn't going to put the required effort and support into make the film the best movie it can be.

I generally don't have too much of a probably with Fox X-Men films because on the whole they have been entertaining and I actually prefer the X-Men in their own separate universe.

I feel like Fox either doesn't really understand the FF or doesn't want to put the effort and commitment into making an FF film as good as it can be. Fox recognize the value in the the FF property but they seem to want to cut corners and expect audiences will rush to see the film any way.

Unless they fully embrace what the FF is about then the franchise won't ever reach the potential to be as successful as Fox and the fans know it can be.

 

[wobbly]

The Mandarin isn't a centuries old warlord, though. You're confusing him with Ra's Al Ghul or maybe Yellow Claw. The Mandarin was a contemporary of Stark back in 1961, and even if the sliding time-scale doesn't apply to him for some reason, is only about 90 now.

The comics have never outright stated Mandarin's age, but we do know his origin: he was a rich kid who spent every last penny of his inheritance on scientific, military, and martial arts training. He then gets evicted by the government for failure to pay his taxes, and the soldiers who evict him are in uniforms that would have been modern in 1961 when the story was published. He's not centuries old. He's a little less than one century old if you ignore the sliding time-scale of comics, likely roughly the same age as Stark if the sliding timescale does apply to him.

Moreover, I don't see any reason why the sliding timescale wouldn't apply to him, since his origin isn't really linked to any specific historical event. In fact, being a rich kid who squanders his money and gets foreclosed on actually makes more sense in modern China than it did in 1960's China.

I can't say I'm all that familiar with the Mandarin's comic origins (outside of him being Asian and the alien rings deal) so I was just going by what the short stated/implied.

I would imagine if Marvel do pursue the 'real' Mandarin they'd want to avoid doing a Ra's type immortal (and the long hidden secret society of evil thing, another similarity) and might go with the title being inherited/adopted by him after he acquired the rings pre IM1 (I say pre IM1 as he would have needed to organise the 10 rings group clearly hinted at in that one).

 

[InCali]

I admit I would never have been fully satisfied with an FF that wasn't integrated into the MCU. I could have accepted a reasonable adaptation but much like the X-Men it would have always felt second rate. And contrary to opinion I do not hate Fox but Ido strongly dislike the contemptible way they have treated their Marvel adaptations.

I agree it definitely would be better to have FF in MCU. The 2 most obvious reasons to me are:

1) I think Marvel would handle the property in a far, far more competent manner.
2) I would like to see FF/Inhumans/Avengers/Spidey/etc. in a movie together.

Fox hasn't done FF any favors for sure (but, again, I kind of liked the first FF movie) and I think they should be out of chances. I don't mind the X-Men movies (as long as they aren't X3.....what were they thinking???) and really liked some of them.

 

[chamber-music]

Shang Chi's villainous father Zheng Zhu is Marvel's Ra's Al Ghul/Fu Manchu.

Mandarin is sort of just another version of Doctor Doom.

Here is Mandarin from the 60's cartoon. This is very much an accurate representation of how the character was portrayed in the comics.
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Mandarin was a terrorist who wanted to over throw the Chinese government. His long-range goal was to conquer China, and then the world, which he claimed he would rule with the “wisdom and harmony” of his nobleman ancestors.

 

[InCali]

I can't say I'm all that familiar with the Mandarin's comic origins (outside of him being Asian and the alien rings deal) so I was just going by what the short stated/implied.

I would imagine if Marvel do pursue the 'real' Mandarin they'd want to avoid doing a Ra's type immortal (and the long hidden secret society of evil thing, another similarity) and might go with the title being inherited/adopted by him after he acquired the rings pre IM1 (I say pre IM1 as he would have needed to organise the 10 rings group clearly hinted at in that one).

Like most, I'm willing to give Marvel some creative license with regard to their characters/villains (esp the latter). I don't know of care if I'm right or wrong, but I didn't see the Mandarin in IM3. I thought I did at first, but was wrong.

He was my fav IM villain so the movie was a little bit disappointing. Ben Kingsley was, as usual, fantastic. What an actor that guy is......

 

[InCali]

They must have decided how many screens FF will have by now (for next week). Does anyone know? It's about 1600 now. After 4 weeks (starting tomorrow) it is GONE from the West Side of LA. Gone, no shows, as in that's all folks, etc.....

The closest place is the Universal 19 (a huge multiplex) that is showing it exactly one time at 4:10pm. After that, the next closest place is about 20 miles away. Almost all of these are limited to 1 to 2 showings. A few of the larger ones (16 screens up to 30) are showing it 3 or more times. One place with 30 screens showing it 5 times.

You can still see Ricki and the Flash, Shaun the Sheep, Ant-Man, and Minions near where I live.

 

[InCali]

Man, talk about spin.......they say there are lies, dang lies, and statistics. Which of the aforementioned is this???

From http://www.vcpost.com/articles/8751...el-pushed-through-pulled-out-2017-release.htm

20th Century Fox reportedly stays firm with its decision of pursuing "Fantastic Four 2". However, the studio is pulling the sequel out of its 2017 release to give way for "Deadpool 2".

What if Deadpool bombs???

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Man, talk about spin.......they say there are lies, dang lies, and statistics. Which of the aforementioned is this???

From http://www.vcpost.com/articles/8751...el-pushed-through-pulled-out-2017-release.htm

20th Century Fox reportedly stays firm with its decision of pursuing "Fantastic Four 2". However, the studio is pulling the sequel out of its 2017 release to give way for "Deadpool 2".

What if Deadpool bombs???

The only person who has mentioned a sequel is McWeeny. I would infer from that that he is the only person foolish and irresponsible enough to repeat obvious and unquestionable studio spin (while the film is still, technically, in theaters . . . empty though they may be) as fact.

There's no way in hell a sequel is happening.

. . . though I have to admit a small part of me is morbidly curious and would like to see the online spectacle that would result.t:

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Note also that when other sites were reporting Deadpool would take FF's place, McWeeny was reporting the FF sequel would happen. Now that the studio is confirming they will replace FF with Deadpool (for obvious reasons), he's still not admitting that thing quacking and waddling in the corner is a duck and is so unprofessional he's willing to parrot Fox's spin.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I thought McWeinus was better than that.