Fast and the Furious 9: The Fast Saga

[Mysteryman]

We know what’s next

Pop Sensation Vin Diesel Wants to Do a Fast & Furious Musical

Well, I won't be buying tickets for THAT!

 

[kguillou]

So what are we thinking this will reach BO wise? Its already at $320mil but its been out in China and other territories for some time. What other markets are left? Could this reach $600 mil?

 

[DarkKnight88]

Pop Sensation Vin Diesel Wants to Do a Fast & Furious Musical

I was this close to doing Guys & Dolls with Steven Spielberg,

 

[Asr]

5/10 for me on this one.

The worst movie in the series hands down. Most of the attempts at comedy didn't work, the writing was pretty much retcon city and lots of things didn't make sense, and a handful of action setpieces that were stretching the believability of the movie.

That said, while I'd consider it the worst in the series, it was still decent entertainment value for what it was - a mindless action flick with crazy stunts, fights, and CGI. I'd pretty much sum it up as "Vin Diesel & cast up against John Cena playing the most stoic badass villain that he can muster".

Oh and there's a mid-credits scene kinda worth sticking around for.

 

[Prison Mike]

Is this one really worse than 2Fast2Furious though?

 

[Deck Rickard]

Trying to pick the worst movie in this series is a hard one for me. I still haven’t seen Fast 9 but this series is a bit of a conundrum in that it has more bad and/or mediocre entries than good ones even though for whatever reason I still enjoy it. My thoughts on the films up until this one:

The Fast & the Furious: Dumb but fun, great car chases

2 Fast 2 Furious: Bad, but with one of the better villains in the series. Plus, Eva Mendes

Tokyo Drift: Crap. Barely feels like it’s part of the series. I may be in the minority here but I didn’t even care about Han.

F&F: Nice to see the original cast return but… they “kill” Letty early on and it just feels like a waste. It just felt very mediocre all around.

Fast Five: Best film in the series. Great action and Hobbs is at his best in this one. Only loses points for not including Letty.

F&F 6: The Letty memory subplot is garbage but it’s nice to see her back. Unpopular opinion but Luke Evans is a better villain than Statham. But this is where the series REALLY started to go over edge with absurdity.

Furious 7: Entertaining but STOOPID as hell. Statham honestly got on my nerves because he was just a cartoon character that appeared whenever they needed to up the ante on the action. The tribute to Paul was great though.

Fate of the Furious: It was kind of interesting seeing Dom have to play the pseudo antagonist. And Charlize was kinda ridiculous but I mostly enjoyed her character. But it was kind of awful that they made Statham suddenly a good guy after all the carnage he caused in the last movie. Also, the whole “Vin and the Rock never being in the same room together” thing was painfully obvious. Just pretty crappy overall.

Hobbs & Shaw: This is one the worst ones, at least for me. It has some charm and I enjoyed Elba’s villain. But it really just feels like a big joke. The series is totally in self parody mode in this one and everything just looks so damned fake.

 

[Detective Conan]

Impressive.

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

Tokyo Drift is the best one.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I hated Tokyo Drift when it first came out. Mostly because it was a spinoff without any of the main characters. I’ve grown to appreciate it now that we’ve had endless sequels. But Lucas Black really sucks as the poor man’s Paul Walker.

 

[Asr]

Is this one really worse than 2Fast2Furious though?

Yes. Yes it is. 2F2F was entertainingly cheesy and had the likeable charisma of Paul Walker. This one did not.

 

[Prison Mike]

I haven’t seen F9 yet but so far 2F2F is still the worst one, IMO. F8 is a close second though. I hated that they killed off Elena (seemed unnecessary to include her at all if they were just going to kill her off). This franchise did her dirty by killing off her husband, having her hook up with Dom only to be dumped when Letty returned, then let her have Dom’s kid only to be killed off so fast.

 

[Asr]

I haven’t seen F9 yet but so far 2F2F is still the worst one, IMO. F8 is a close second though. I hated that they killed off Elena (seemed unnecessary to include her at all if they were just going to kill her off). This franchise did her dirty by killing off her husband, having her hook up with Dom only to be dumped when Letty returned, then let her have Dom’s kid only to be killed off so fast.

Actually, for a character who talks about family as much as he does, Dom doesn't show much in the way of family values when he decides to sleep with Elena in the first place in F6. I mean I know I'm overanalyzing it here but a "family"-oriented character would have a kid only with his wife (i.e. Letty), not a random cop that he bumps into.

Chris Stuckmann's review kinda touched on why this is the worst movie for me. It was mostly just the amount of nonsense in the movie, even by Fast & Furious standards. I'll take one example that he didn't mention:

Spoiler

When Letty and Mia go to Tokyo and go into an unknown apartment to check it out based on a hunch from a poster hanging in the window.

After they very briefly look around, Han's young female cousin (call her "new girl") immediately shows up who recognizes them, and then suddenly a bunch of armed goons shows up who I guess are after the new girl? It wasn't even clear who the armed goons were after. Letty, Mia, and the new girl all immediately start fighting the goons anyway, and the scene ends when Letty crashes a goon through a window landing back on the street outside, and is then attacked by two more goons who are sniped down by a mysterious character.........who is then revealed to be Han.

Ok so any logical thinking person would have these questions based on how the whole scene went:
- How did Letty and Mia sneak past all of the armed goons who were surely right there on their way in?
- How did all of those armed goons make it past Han to make the fight scene possible?
- If Han saw Letty and Mia go in how come he didn't bother to help them out inside? He couldn't have known they were going to make it back out, and it's not like the fight was occurring that far away from his sniper perch that he wouldn't have heard it.

Yeah I know part of the point of the fight scene was to show how badass Letty, Mia, and the new girl are, and can take care of themselves. Letty and Mia are believable fighters based on their assumed years of experience throughout the series, but a 12-year-old-looking girl (even if she does know martial arts) taking down multiple armed and presumably trained adult men is the kind of thing that would only happen in movies.

 

[samsnee]

Better than F8, but since I consider that the worst movie of the series, it’s faint praise.

Spoilers obviously

Spoiler

The good: the action sequences, while completely untethered to reality, are creative. The electromagnetic scenes are fun to watch, and I keep being amazed how they are able to incorporate cars into them each movie and make it different enough to feel fresh and new.

The not-so-good:

Ok so this series basically has turned into a Mission: Impossible franchise. But I don’t really know who they work for. Who’s supplying them their gear? How are they able to globe-trot to wherever they need to be in less than a day?

Dom has basically turned into Captain America in feats of strength. But at least Cap dressed appropriately for a mission. Dom shows up in a tank top and timberlands, with a shotgun, and is able to take down an entire army. He’s able to take on 40 guys at once and pull down an entire building. He’s able flip a tanker over with a grenade, still drive it, then jump out and land on the concrete without a scratch.

No one ever gets hit with stray bullets or ricochets. Roman is surrounded in a pit and able to shoot up and kill everyone without getting hit once.

The bad:

I’m always happy to see Han but the handwave on how he survived is insulting. And so you’re also telling me he was a super spy in Tokyo Drift doing missions, but decided to take time out to hang out with a bunch of high school kids? And how he died in TD was due to a spur of the moment chase scene with Drift King came looking for him. How was Mr Nobody able to “set that up”?

Charlize Theron is 2-2 in being paid millions to film her scenes in a day because she’s only in one location the whole movie. She’s a great actress but Cipher sucks as a character.

Space. Why do we need NASA? Why do we need years of planning, years of training astronauts, waiting for the perfect weather conditions to launch, when all you need is duct tape, deep dive suits, and some NoS? Just because you address how ridiculous it is doesn’t make it less ridiculous. And why do you need to gear shift in space?

F5 and F6 were really the peak for me. I’ll watch to see how they finish this series off because I do like the core characters. But I wish they’d go back to the heightened reality of those movies rather than the flat out insulting logic of the last two.

 

[Flash525]

If we overlook the eccentric action sequences and over the top elements of the film (we joked about them going to space before - so let's throw in the joke of dinosaurs and time travel next, shall we?) I kinda felt this was somewhat weak.

Spoiler: Tokyo Drift

The Drift King (Sean) goes from street racer to crazy rocket science guy?

Spoiler: Han

Han didn't actually die, just went undercover. I wonder whether cypher knows this?

Spoiler: Shaws

Helen Miran. Will we see Owen & Deckard Shaw again before the franchise wraps (at least 10&11, I'm discounting spin-offs).

Spoiler: The Brother

Jack (Cena's character) only became a good guy once he was betrayed, so had that not of happened, he'd have gone right through with the plan. Suddenly he's a good guy and all is forgiven?

 

[samsnee]

Spoiler

and did they forget to film a scene to find Mr Nobody

?

 

[Dave McFly]

LOL I saw this was on Amazon Prime I may have to revisit it

 

[psylockolussus]

I just wonder how many people were injured with that

Spoiler

Car Magnet

 

[antsman41]

It’s ridiculous, but the action was good… even really enjoyed the flashbacks. It’s biggest failure isn’t even its own fault, the lack of Brian.

Also, Letty is hotter now than in 2001.

——A——
The Fast & The Furious
Fast Five
Fast & Furious
——B——
2 Fast 2 Furious
Fast & Furious 6
The Fast & The Furious - Tokyo Drift
——C——
Furious 7
F9
——D——
The Fate Of The Furious
——F——
Hobbs & Shaw

 

[samsnee]

I just wonder how many people were injured with that

Spoiler

Car Magnet

Same as Fast Five when they were pulling the vault

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Chip Chipperson]

yes, cinema indeed

 

[kguillou]

This movie was STOOPID. It was pretty entertaining but I didnt really care about anything happening onscreen. I felt no sense of danger or stakes and by the third act I completely lost track of what the plot was and what the point of everything was. And the characters and their banter felt ….off. Like VERY off. Almost like you can tell the actors are getting tired of this s*** too. The fun, loveable characters were the heart of this series and without that…what do you have?

Also they literally didnt even bother to explain how Han survived, they gloss over it like “yeahhh, we know this is stupid so we wont even bother insulting your intelligence.” Lol

 

[TheVileOne]

This movie was STOOPID. It was pretty entertaining but I didnt really care about anything happening onscreen. I felt no sense of danger or stakes and by the third act I completely lost track of what the plot was and what the point of everything was.

Also they literally didnt even bother to explain how Han survived, they gloss over it like “yeahhh, we know this is stupid so we wont even bother insulting your intelligence.” Lol

Spoiler

There was a hologram in the car or something? I dunno, it was weird and dumb. Bringing back Han was dumb.

 

[TheVileOne]

If we overlook the eccentric action sequences and over the top elements of the film (we joked about them going to space before - so let's throw in the joke of dinosaurs and time travel next, shall we?) I kinda felt this was somewhat weak.

Spoiler: Tokyo Drift

The Drift King (Sean) goes from street racer to crazy rocket science guy?

Spoiler: Han

Han didn't actually die, just went undercover. I wonder whether cypher knows this?

Spoiler: Shaws

Helen Miran. Will we see Owen & Deckard Shaw again before the franchise wraps (at least 10&11, I'm discounting spin-offs).

Spoiler: The Brother

Jack (Cena's character) only became a good guy once he was betrayed, so had that not of happened, he'd have gone right through with the plan. Suddenly he's a good guy and all is forgiven?

Spoiler

The twist with Jakob was stupid and made no sense.

Actually, for a character who talks about family as much as he does, Dom doesn't show much in the way of family values when he decides to sleep with Elena in the first place in F6. I mean I know I'm overanalyzing it here but a "family"-oriented character would have a kid only with his wife (i.e. Letty), not a random cop that he bumps into.

Chris Stuckmann's review kinda touched on why this is the worst movie for me. It was mostly just the amount of nonsense in the movie, even by Fast & Furious standards. I'll take one example that he didn't mention:

Spoiler

When Letty and Mia go to Tokyo and go into an unknown apartment to check it out based on a hunch from a poster hanging in the window.

After they very briefly look around, Han's young female cousin (call her "new girl") immediately shows up who recognizes them, and then suddenly a bunch of armed goons shows up who I guess are after the new girl? It wasn't even clear who the armed goons were after. Letty, Mia, and the new girl all immediately start fighting the goons anyway, and the scene ends when Letty crashes a goon through a window landing back on the street outside, and is then attacked by two more goons who are sniped down by a mysterious character.........who is then revealed to be Han.

Ok so any logical thinking person would have these questions based on how the whole scene went:
- How did Letty and Mia sneak past all of the armed goons who were surely right there on their way in?
- How did all of those armed goons make it past Han to make the fight scene possible?
- If Han saw Letty and Mia go in how come he didn't bother to help them out inside? He couldn't have known they were going to make it back out, and it's not like the fight was occurring that far away from his sniper perch that he wouldn't have heard it.

Yeah I know part of the point of the fight scene was to show how badass Letty, Mia, and the new girl are, and can take care of themselves. Letty and Mia are believable fighters based on their assumed years of experience throughout the series, but a 12-year-old-looking girl (even if she does know martial arts) taking down multiple armed and presumably trained adult men is the kind of thing that would only happen in movies.

Dom thought Letty was dead. He didn't know Elena was pregnant and had a baby.

 

[Flash525]

What're the chances that in F10, the team are going to locate an isolated island in the middle of nowhere and run into a woman named Diana. Turns out Gisele was just a temporarily alias so that she could further explore the world of man.

Eventually we learn that Cypher is working for Lex Luthor, and the technology they've been trying to steal was meant to control the population of Earth; an orchestrated event by Brainiac or Darkseid. Dom was actually adopted, turns out his Dad found him in another crashed pod somewhere... Mr Nobody is actually John Jonzz trying to keep world order. Ramsay finds a green ring somewhere, turns out her name is actually Jess.

I wouldn't put anything by this franchise.