F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

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EDIT: Not gonna lie . . . I completely rushed through your post and really didn't pick up on the point you're making. So, consider my post below an aside rather than a direct response. :shrug:


What was the most sophisticated method of spreading free speech? What was the most sophisticated method of the press? What was the most sophisticated method of intruding upon people's private property?

If the 2nd amendment is limited to technology available at the time, wouldn't all the other amendments have the same limitations? Or, is the technology reasoning applied on a selective basis that curiously aligns with what we like and what we don't like in the Constitution?

And, if we're limited to people owning only those arms legal at the time of the Revolution . . . how do you feel about private citizens owning working cannon?

The bigger issue is that to the framers, lawyers, and judges throughout the 19th century, the Second Amendment was ALWAYS interpreted as meaning the right to bear arms in a militia. No one believed that the Second Amendment intended to create a personal right to bears arms for personal purposes. All original thinkers on the topic thought it only created a right to bear arms in the militia.

The idea that the Second Amendment entrenches a personal right to own guns in the United States is a modern invention by self-serving conservatives. It is completely antithetical to the original meaning and intended purpose of the provision. The idea that conservatives are textualists who believe in the original meaning of the provision is a joke.
 
The bigger issue is that to the framers, lawyers, and judges throughout the 19th century, the Second Amendment was ALWAYS interpreted as meaning the right to bear arms in a militia. No one believed that the Second Amendment intended to create a personal right to bears arms for personal purposes. All original thinkers on the topic thought it only created a right to bear arms in the militia.

The idea that the Second Amendment entrenches a personal right to own guns in the United States is a modern invention by self-serving conservatives. It is completely antithetical to the original meaning and intended purpose of the provision. The idea that conservatives are textualists who believe in the original meaning of the provision is a joke.

Do you believe the Founders actually believed that ordinary citizens didn't have the right to keep and bear arms? James Madison, the author of the Constitution, wrote in 1789 that "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." It would seem that he considered the "body of people" and the militia to be one and the same, and so the rights of arms afforded the militia is in fact rights afforded to the people.

But, if we're going to say that only the specific members of the militia should be able to keep and bear arms and not the militia, then consider the current definition of the militia according to federal law:

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

It goes further to say that the two classes of the militia are the organized militia (National Guard and Naval Militia) and the unorganized militia (members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard and Naval Militia). And, Sec. 313 of Title 32 expands the definition in certain areas to people up to 64 years of age.

Turns out I'm a member of the (unorganized) militia. :up:
 
They had an armed guard at the door.... he was the first one shot...

Where did you read that? This says the guard was not armed.

Adam Housley's niece killed in California bar shooting | Fox News

"Long opened fire inside Borderline about 11:20 p.m., during the bar's "college country night" event, authorities said. Sheriff Geoff Dean said it appears Long shot the unarmed security guard first and turned to the right to shoot other security and staff members before opening fire on the rest of the patrons. No one at the venue was armed."
 
At least he is transparent about his intentions.
 
Think this was leaked by the White House. I don’t believe it’s done til Mueller himself says it is.
 
Good. Let's get some results before they fire him. :(
 

I think I'll trust the actual investigator that's doing the investigating. Not the new twit that just came in and probably didnt even bother to look at the evidence. Is it January yet?:wall:

I'm curious is it against NY state, or any state law, to collude with a foreign nation while participating in a state's Presidential Primary? Would it be possible for a state to investigate that?
 
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A report from the UK Guardian (left wing newspaper) on the press conference the other day, I'm not sure why at the time nor in the days that have followed people are not coming up with the....

White House defends doctored Trump-Acosta clip used to justify reporter's ban

'Oh hang on, so you defend a piece of footage that's been 'doctored' to suit and berate someone for what you claim but it's ok for your president to act the way he has been caught on tape saying and demonstrating his actions towards woman'.

Why is no-one throwing this back at him ?
 
A report from the UK Guardian (left wing newspaper) on the press conference the other day, I'm not sure why at the time nor in the days that have followed people are not coming up with the....

White House defends doctored Trump-Acosta clip used to justify reporter's ban

'Oh hang on, so you defend a piece of footage that's been 'doctored' to suit and berate someone for what you claim but it's ok for your president to act the way he has been caught on tape saying and demonstrating his actions towards woman'.

Why is no-one throwing this back at him ?


Not by design, because I don't believe this gang can shoot straight, chew gum or walk the street at the same time, but the reasons is the critical mass of lies and controversies we get bombarded by daily by this Administration and it's supine guardians in the Republican Party, both rank and file and elites both elected and in media. There's simply not enough hours in the day to triage Trump and his admin.'s lies and corruption. You don't want to let any of it go given it's brazen and potentially dangerous nature but at the same time you cannot ever pin it all down or put the movie on "pause" to get cogent argument out because the next day, hell the next hour has something new served to us that shows how morally feckless and philosophically bankrupt the Trump Party is.
 
Not by design, because I don't believe this gang can shoot straight, chew gum or walk the street at the same time, but the reasons is the critical mass of lies and controversies we get bombarded by daily by this Administration and it's supine guardians in the Republican Party, both rank and file and elites both elected and in media. There's simply not enough hours in the day to triage Trump and his admin.'s lies and corruption. You don't want to let any of it go given it's brazen and potentially dangerous nature but at the same time you cannot ever pin it all down or put the movie on "pause" to get cogent argument out because the next day, hell the next hour has something new served to us that shows how morally feckless and philosophically bankrupt the Trump Party is.


Just because the filing cabinet is full of lies, doesn't mean you shouldn't have a spring clean, so to speak. I'm sorry, take that view and he'll just carry on getting away with it. I get he is 'corruption on legs' and has zero moral fibre on any matter or issue and is the purest form of scum walking this earth, but he needs pressure placed on him at every turn, I'm aware the system is in place to protect him at all times but that's no reason not to place the pressure on him or relax it.
 
Trump takes a giant steaming dump all over the presidency and the country on a daily basis.
 
USA Today - Donald Trump: 'I don't know Matt Whitaker'

"I don't know Matt Whitaker," Trump said just before departing for France to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I. "Matt Whitaker has a great reputation, and that's what I wanted."

Trump's remarks directly contradicted comments he made a month ago when he heaped praise on Whitaker.

"I can tell you Matt Whitaker's a great guy," Trump said in an interview with Fox News. "I mean, I know Matt Whitaker."

Donald Trump's 'Fox and Friends' interview: The 45 strangest lines - CNNPolitics (October 11, 2018)

35. "Well, I never talk about that, but I can tell you Matt Whitaker's a great guy. I mean, I know Matt Whitaker. But I never talk about conversations that I had."

This is Trump's response to a question about whether a Washington Post story that alleges Trump asked Jeff Sessions' chief of staff if he wanted to replace Sessions. Trump's non-denial denial makes very clear the Post is onto something.
 
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We know that already -- we need a smoking gun (or several) that puts Trump in the center of it. And even then McConnell wouldn't vote to impeach him.
 
We know that already -- we need a smoking gun (or several) that puts Trump in the center of it. And even then McConnell wouldn't vote to impeach him.

Agreed. Unfortunately, nothing short of videotape evidence will do. That's a sad commentary on our current society, but it's the way it is at this point.
 
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