For those who consider themself a Democrat, are you concerned...

[JLBats]

How many of them had a previous run at the white house?

Dude, do you know ANYTHING?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Dude, do you know ANYTHING?

Apparently not. Most Presidents try to garner the nomination at least once or twice. Some even run in the regular election once or twice. He acts like this is uncommon.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Near successes aren't usually successful in American politics as repeats.

that's very true because they are slightly viewed as a failure. However Al Gore wasn't a near success. He won the popular vote. The overwhelming amjority of America agrees we would be much better off had he been president for the last 6 years. The voters would say man if only he'd been president instead of Bush. Any political analyst I have EVER heard talk about Gore during the last 6 months has said the same thing, if he ran and won the nomination, the general election would be guranteed his.

However he says he wont run.

The left are delusional if they think that going very left is a winning ticket. The bulk of the average American voter is slightly to the right.

The left are not dillusional. We base our belief on the lessons taught by History, and by data. Republicans are dillusional in the fact that they believe whatever they want to believe or whatever their parents or grandparents believe. Seriously. Gay's being deviants? Global warming is a theory? helping the rich helps the economy?

or what about the belief that when we went to Iraq we would be in and out in 2 years just in time for Christmas? we will be welcomed with open arms. The insurgency is in it's last throws. the oil will pay for the war. it will make the region safer.

seriously man. The republicans are stuck in the past, and their heads are in the sand. Democrats are the party of the future. Why is it that 2 out of 3 college professors consider themselves highly liberal? Conservatives are highly religous and subscribe to religous B.S. without evidence, and claim that God speaks to them. That is delusional! The belief that we can walk in there and fix the problems of the middle east is delusional. We keep making things worse and worse over there, and the rescent conflict is proof of that, but republicans refuse to acknowledge it because they are delusional. They still claim Iraq was the right thing to do, even though we have shifted the balance of power overwhelmingly in favor of the Sh.ites who are more dangerous than Saddam ever was.

I have rescently come to the conclusion that the republicans are going to be abig contributing factor into the extinction of the human race, and it's going to happen in the next couple decades. I will live or die to see it. It will be world war 3 and Iraq was the trigger, the follow up will be our alliance with Israel and war with Iran.

 

[War Lord]

Dude, do you know ANYTHING?

I'm not American so I can't be expected to know your history.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I'm not American so I can't be expected to know your history.

Then you probably should try not talking about it

 

[hippie_hunter]

The left are not dillusional. We base our belief on the lessons taught by History, and by data. Republicans are dillusional in the fact that they believe whatever they want to believe or whatever their parents or grandparents believe. Seriously. Gay's being deviants? Global warming is a theory? helping the rich helps the economy?

or what about the belief that when we went to Iraq we would be in and out in 2 years just in time for Christmas? we will be welcomed with open arms. The insurgency is in it's last throws. the oil will pay for the war. it will make the region safer.

seriously man. The republicans are stuck in the past, and their heads are in the sand. Democrats are the party of the future. Why is it that 2 out of 3 college professors consider themselves highly liberal? Conservatives are highly religous and subscribe to religous B.S. without evidence, and claim that God speaks to them. That is delusional! The belief that we can walk in there and fix the problems of the middle east is delusional. We keep making things worse and worse over there, and the rescent conflict is proof of that, but republicans refuse to acknowledge it because they are delusional. They still claim Iraq was the right thing to do, even though we have shifted the balance of power overwhelmingly in favor of the Sh.ites who are more dangerous than Saddam ever was.

I have rescently come to the conclusion that the republicans are going to be abig contributing factor into the extinction of the human race, and it's going to happen in the next couple decades. I will live or die to see it.

You just proved that the left can be dilusional. The leadership of both the Democrats and Republicans are dilusional and are completely out of touch with the political beleifs of the average American.

 

[War Lord]

Then you probably should try not talking about it

I can talk about whatever I want and learn from it.

And you can't stop me, twinkles.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The Democrats cannot be delusional since they don't have a single message to be delusional about yet.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I can talk about whatever I want and learn from it.

And you can't stop me, twinkles.

Tis better to be thought a fool than open your mouth an remove all doubt.

 

[JLBats]

I'm not American so I can't be expected to know your history.

Were I American, this would be less ludicrous.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The Democrats cannot be delusional since they don't have a single message to be delusional about yet.

They're delusional on account that they think that they are the party of the future, yet have no plan. They're delusional if they think that being the "anti-Republican" is the way to win elections. They're delusional because many act as if their beleifs are superior to others (Spider-Bite). They're delusional by thinking that being a Republican or conservative makes you automatically evil, religious, and have your head stuck in the sand.

Spider-Bite's comment just completely represented what was wrong with the Democratic Party.

 

[Spider-Bite]

You just proved that the left can be dilusional. The leadership of both the Democrats and Republicans are dilusional and are completely out of touch with the political beleifs of the average American.

If I was a politician I would decide my positions based on facts and not the average american belief. Seriously I woudln't let some loser flipping burgers decide how to run the economy for me. Most people don't sit and pay close attention like everybody else. Would the average american perform heart surgery very well? no probably not. the average american wouldn't make a good president or good policies either.

The real problem is corruption and their determination to stay in power at all costs, because they care TOOOO much about the beliefs of the average american. Most Americans are not economic experts.

For example did you know that a gun stored in the home is 43 times more likely to be accidentally shot at a child, friend, or family member than it is to ever be used in self defense? and Bush voted against mandatory safety locks on guns manufactured from now on. I think the good of doing it would outweigh the bad of doing it because I'm simply not delusional.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

They're delusional on account that they think that they are the party of the future, yet have no plan. They're delusional if they think that being the "anti-Republican" is the way to win elections. They're delusional because many act as if their beleifs are superior to others (Spider-Bite). They're delusional by thinking that being a Republican or conservative makes you automatically evil, religious, and have your head stuck in the sand.

No you see your mixing up your terminology. That is not delusional, that is the cry of a desperate and helpless man.

"Plz vote 4 us"

Trust me the Democrats would love a unifying leader with a message right now. They don't have it. So right now, they are desperate not delusional. In fact they have no allusions about the fact that they are banking on Republicans f***ing up right now.

 

[Spider-Bite]

They're delusional on account that they think that they are the party of the future, Spider-Bite's comment just completely represented what was wrong with the Democratic Party.

really? can you say global warming? what about gay rights? woman rights? african american rights? you see dems take a position where the majority disagrees, and then 20 years later everybody else agrees. we are always the ones to support it first.

kind of like Iraq, now that we mention it. the republicans are a couple years behind and gradually agreeing with the dems. It happens on every issue.

gay marriage will be exactly the same. In 20 years everybody will agree with the dems. because we are all about the future.

Edit... I forgot the issue of Bush. Dems hated him first, and gradually the whole country is starting to hate him. LOL!

 

[Spider-Bite]

You just proved that the left can be dilusional. The leadership of both the Democrats and Republicans are dilusional and are completely out of touch with the political beleifs of the average American.

you didn't refute a single statement I made.

 

[hippie_hunter]

If I was a politician I would decide my positions based on facts and not the average american belief. Seriously I woudln't let some loser flipping burgers decide how to run the economy for me. Most people don't sit and pay close attention like everybody else. Would the average american perform heart surgery very well? no probably not. the average american wouldn't make a good president either.

In order to be electable you need to be in touch with the beleifs of the average American. And your political beleifs are not fact like you think they are. They are opinions on how government should be run.

The real problem is corruption and their determination to stay in power at all costs, because they care TOOOO much about the beliefs of the average american. Most Americans are not economic experts.

Politicans don't care enough about the beliefs of the average American. They mostly care about raising funds and remaining in office.

For example did you know that a gun stored in the home is 43 times more likely to be accidentally shot at a child, friend, or family member than it is to ever be used in self defense?

Did you know that in cities that have tighter gun control (Washington DC, New York City) have higher crime rates than those with lesser gun control. Did you know that robberies of people homes occur in nations with tighter gun control (United Kingdom) than nations with lesser gun control (United States), take an obvious guess why.

 

[bored]

That in the 2008 Presidential election, the Democrats will nominate Hillary Clinton for only name recognization and cultural influence, with no regards as to whether or not she could win the general election?

Hillary Clinton is not going to be the Democratic candidate. She will try for it, but will not get it, because she is not nearly as popular around the country as the media paints her.

 

[Spider-Bite]

In order to be electable you need to be in touch with the beleifs of the average American. And your political beleifs are not fact like you think they are. They are opinions on how government should be run.


Politicans don't care enough about the beliefs of the average American. They mostly care about raising funds and remaining in office.


Did you know that in cities that have tighter gun control (Washington DC, New York City) have higher crime rates than those with lesser gun control. Did you know that robberies of people homes occur in nations with tighter gun control (United Kingdom) than nations with lesser gun control (United States), take an obvious guess why.

the real term for gun control laws should be gun safety laws. having safety locks on guns is not going to make the neighborhood more dangerous. Neither is denying access to felons. Neither is a 3 day waiting period. Neither would extending the federal ban on assault weapons. These are gun control laws. These laws can ONLY make the country safer, and not more dangerous. To say that these laws will empower criminals is ******ed and delusional.

My opinions are based on in depth thought and an open mind. I am constantly reevaluating my own beliefs and the opinions of those who disagree with me. It's the only way to be sure. When new data becomes available it must be taken into consideration. That is part of being liberal. Open to change. Being stuck in the past is conservative. Conserving their beliefs.

 

[hippie_hunter]

really? can you say global warming? what about gay rights? woman rights? african american rights? you see dems take a position where the majority disagrees, and then 20 years later everybody else agrees. we are always the ones to support it first.

kind of like Iraq, now that we mention it. the republicans are a couple years behind and gradually agreeing with the dems. It happens on every issue.

gay marriage will be exactly the same. In 20 years everybody will agree with the dems. because we are all about the future.

Edit... I forgot the issue of Bush. Dems hated him first, and gradually the whole country is starting to hate him. LOL!

1. Global Warming is way overblown. Yes it is a problem, but not as big as many say it is. Also, the doomsday "experts" who say it is such a huge problem tend to ignore that global warming is also a natural process.

2. Civil rights. I remember when the Democrats were the party of racism and intolerance also. There were Democrats who opposed civil rights back in the 60's. The Republicans have taken the obvious stance of being against gay marriage and gay rights in general, but against minority or women's rights. George W. Bush's administration is one of the most diverse administrations in history. Republican does not automatically mean racist, though most racists tend to lean Republican.

3. Some strong opposition your party showed when they voted to give the President authority to invade Iraq. The Democrats are now only using Iraq to go against the Republicans. If they truly opposed it, like they you say they have from the beginning they would have voted against giving Bush the authority to do so.

4. I consider myself to be a liberal Republican. I support civil rights. I support gay rights (even gay marriage). I support a lot of liberal idealologies. So, does being a Republican make me what you have said

 

[Spider-Bite]

Bush's choice for the supreme court Allito lobbied to get mahcine guns legal for civillians in the 70s. Another delusional nutcase.

 

[The Overlord]

Don't worry about it, there isn't any democrat who can win anyway.

I think that view is based on truthiness not truth.

 

[bored]

I can talk about whatever I want and learn from it.

And you can't stop me, twinkles.

You learn nothing if you talk so much on a subject you know nothing at all about as if you do.

 

[hippie_hunter]

the real term for gun control laws should be gun safety laws. having safety locks on guns is not going to make the neighborhood more dangerous. Neither is denying access to felons. Neither is a 3 day waiting period. Neither would extending the federal ban on assault weapons. These are gun control laws. These laws can ONLY make the country safer, and not more dangerous. To say that these laws will empower criminals is ******ed and delusional.

Now those laws I support. They are what I like to call, common sense laws. I thought you were talking about a complete ban on guns, which I strongly oppose.

My opinions are based on in depth thought and an open mind. I am constantly reevaluating my own beliefs and the opinions of those who disagree with me. It's the only way to be sure. When new data becomes available it must be taken into consideration. That is part of being liberal. Open to change. Being stuck in the past is conservative. Conserving their beliefs.

I am constantly re-evaluating my own beleifs too. Ask Matt and many others, I used to be a die-hard conservative. Though from listening to others, I have adopted to being more centrist/Libertarian. I am proof that conservatives can be open minded and open to change. You are proof that liberals can be close minded (you need to drop that Republican teh sux attitude, there are good Republicans just like there are bad ones. There are bad Democrats just like there are good ones)

 

[hippie_hunter]

Bush's choice for the supreme court Allito lobbied to get mahcine guns legal for civillians in the 70s. Another delusional nutcase.

I would like a machine gun

And I think that we can both agree that George W. Bush, isn't exactly a good leader here.

 

[JLBats]

I would like a machine gun

No offense, but...

I'm very frightened of you.