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For those who consider themself a Democrat, are you concerned...

Holy crap! His Iraq plan is a lot like mine! Go Joe! I got to learn more about this guy! His reasoning for his plan is the same as mine. avoid a regional war.
 
I have to say this about Joe Biden, He messed up big time with that 7/11 remark awhile back. That was just dumb. :rolleyes:
 
Matt said:
Yes. It does concern me. She cannot win. Hopefully though, more rational heads will prevail and Mark Warner will be the next president.

:up:

Highest approval ratings for a governor of Virginia in 20 years? Bipartisan accomplishments. Virgina voted best managed state in the entire nation. High approval ratings in Southern conservative state. Helped Democratic successor win. Fiscally responsible with liberal ideals. That what the Democratic Party needs.

I don't think anyone but him can do it.....
 
jaguarr said:
I think Mark Warner can take Guliani or McCain, to be honest. And, in my opinion, he's probably the best person out there I have seen thus far to take on the Presidency and do some good with the office. The current Republican regime as a whole has proven that they are bent on abusing the power they've been bestowed with and catering to their corporate buddies. I'm not a big Dem fan, either, and tend to vote for who I think will get the job done right. Warner's got it together in a big way.

jag

I agree, a lot of people kiss McCain and Giulani's ass and put them up there as unbeatable, but the fact is once election season is in full swing...once all the smear ads and debates are done...I just don't think Mark Warner will be able to be beat. His campaigning ability is right up there with Clinton and he has a record to back him up. I really don't think he can lose.

Plus I believe Tukiluka once said it, and its exactly right. Giuliani's last name ends with a vowel. That is why he will never be president.
 
Dwarf lord said:
Giullani is the man I want in office. I'm still undecided where I stand pollitically. I mean, I know my beliefs and where I stand, but I don't know which party I allign with, but I do know that Mr. Giullani is a good man and I'd be able to respect him a hell of a lot more than anyone else they could put up there (besides Colin Powell, but he'll never run). I'd be very happy to know that I voted for Giullani in my first presidential vote.

Giullani can't do a thing right now. He needs experience. He will have to be either governor or senator of New York for at least one term before he can even consider a presidential run. Otherwise the opposition will tear him apart as inexperienced. Besides...name ends with an 'i' = unelectable.
 
hippie_hunter said:
Now those laws I support. They are what I like to call, common sense laws. I thought you were talking about a complete ban on guns, which I strongly oppose.


I am constantly re-evaluating my own beleifs too. Ask Matt and many others, I used to be a die-hard conservative. Though from listening to others, I have adopted to being more centrist/Libertarian. I am proof that conservatives can be open minded and open to change. You are proof that liberals can be close minded (you need to drop that Republican teh sux attitude, there are good Republicans just like there are bad ones. There are bad Democrats just like there are good ones)

As I will always be willing to do, I will vouch for Hippie_Hunter. He is an absolute class act. Everything he said is absolutely true. If everyone were as open minded as him, this country would be a far better place :up:
 
Superman said:
I've had my eye on Joe Biden for some time now. I saw him on "Real Time with Bill Maher" one night and I liked what he had to say and how he said it. If he runs I would consider voting for him.:up:

I honestly just don't think he can pull it off. Then again...he is going to be a strong VP contender. Especially if a southerner like Warner takes the ticket. I think the VP nomination will be either Biden or Feingold. I have absolutely no doubt at all that Mark Warner will win the nomination.
 
if they were smart, theyd do john kerry president/barrack obama vice president.

i cant imagine them losing.

but I wouldnt be so quick to write off hilary.

1)everyone hates republicans riught now cause of bush. whichever canidate gets the democratic nomination is a near lock to win imho
2)shes a woman
3)bill clinton, despite really not being a good guy, is very popular. lots would vote for hilary just due to the thought of bill back in the white house,
4) she pushed for health care and got little support from the senate, but it seemed like A LOT of people began to take her seriously when nobody else did.


quite frankly, i dont think shed be that bad.
 
Spider-Bite said:
you have friends stationed at the white house controlled by republicans who claim that Hillary is anti-military:confused: go figure


no I had friends stationed when her husband was in office. She didnt want the military staff in uniform and banned military uniform from the WH. They were always trying to ditch their military detail that are supposed to be with them. Flag officers(Admirals and Generals) would come to the WH and be blown off for their actor friends.
 
I think it would be a terrible mistake to go with her right now but the Democrats really need to get some new faces and new blood. Someone with a personality and quality ideas that might help this nation .
 
Excel said:
if they were smart, theyd do john kerry president/barrack obama vice president.
Boston Liberals on a ticket with a very left wing black politician, you might as well sign your death certificate right there. Talk about unelectable in the South.
 
roach said:
no I had friends stationed when her husband was in office. She didnt want the military staff in uniform and banned military uniform from the WH. They were always trying to ditch their military detail that are supposed to be with them. Flag officers(Admirals and Generals) would come to the WH and be blown off for their actor friends.

:confused: wouldn't it be more important the proposals that they made regarding the military, than wether or not they disliked hanging out with generals that would or woulnd't make them "anti-military" I mean, I'm sure GW hangs out with Generals and Majors (uh-hu * XTC*) but spearheads policies to cut benefits and funding, that's kind of more important, I'm sure you, being in the military would agree.
 
Matt said:
I honestly just don't think he can pull it off. Then again...he is going to be a strong VP contender. Especially if a southerner like Warner takes the ticket. I think the VP nomination will be either Biden or Feingold. I have absolutely no doubt at all that Mark Warner will win the nomination.

Given the theorectical choice between those two, I think Biden should get the VP nomination if only for his experience in the Senate and knowledge of foreign affairs.
 
SentinelMind said:
:up:

Highest approval ratings for a governor of Virginia in 20 years? Bipartisan accomplishments. Virgina voted best managed state in the entire nation. High approval ratings in Southern conservative state. Helped Democratic successor win. Fiscally responsible with liberal ideals. That what the Democratic Party needs.

I don't think anyone but him can do it.....

good introduction:) I like fiscally responsible:up: with liberal ideals:up: and with the deficit that is what we desperately need!
 
Excel said:
if they were smart, theyd do john kerry president/barrack obama vice president.

i cant imagine them losing.

but I wouldnt be so quick to write off hilary.

1)everyone hates republicans riught now cause of bush. whichever canidate gets the democratic nomination is a near lock to win imho
2)shes a woman
3)bill clinton, despite really not being a good guy, is very popular. lots would vote for hilary just due to the thought of bill back in the white house,
4) she pushed for health care and got little support from the senate, but it seemed like A LOT of people began to take her seriously when nobody else did.


quite frankly, i dont think shed be that bad.

they would lose without a doubt. I'm not saying I'd want them to, but they would.
 
roach said:
no I had friends stationed when her husband was in office. She didnt want the military staff in uniform and banned military uniform from the WH. They were always trying to ditch their military detail that are supposed to be with them. Flag officers(Admirals and Generals) would come to the WH and be blown off for their actor friends.

dude thisw is nothing but gossip and heresay about somebody famous. I really can not take it anymore seriously than I take the Enquirer. Not trying to be rude, but this really is just rumour stuff. Don't believe everything you hear. Especially about politicians.
 
Matt said:
As I will always be willing to do, I will vouch for Hippie_Hunter. He is an absolute class act. Everything he said is absolutely true. If everyone were as open minded as him, this country would be a far better place :up:

I gathered that he is open minded.
 
can anybody tell me what Warner's talking abilities are like? Most political analysts say Clinton's charm, voice, personality, good looks were a dream come true for any politician. That he could seduce anybody, no pun intended, but that which got him office also got him in Monica.

I'm just curious, because it would be great to have a democrat who could do that to the crowd.
 
Spider-Bite said:
can anybody tell me what Warner's talking abilities are like? Most political analysts say Clinton's charm, voice, personality, good looks were a dream come true for any politician. That he could seduce anybody, no pun intended, but that which got him office also got him in Monica.

I'm just curious, because it would be great to have a democrat who could do that to the crowd.
He is very charismatic. And Virginia loves him. That is really his selling point. That he is (I believe he had 90% approval exiting the Governorship) popular in a Southern State and he is handsome and has a degree of charm. I would not go touting him as Clinton's rival in terms of charisma. But he is likeable.

By the way his Clinton comparison comes from being appealling to moderates, not his ability with women or on screen ability.
 
Superman said:
I have to say this about Joe Biden, He messed up big time with that 7/11 remark awhile back. That was just dumb. :rolleyes:

Oh come on, who hasn't made a simmillair joke in their lifetime? I mean geez, I've heard like everybody I know say at least one. It was just a joke. As was Hillary's joke about the guy running the gas station.
 
ShadowBoxing said:
He is very charismatic. And Virginia loves him. That is really his selling point. That he is (I believe he had 90% approval exiting the Governorship) popular in a Southern State and he is handsome and has a degree of charm. I would not go touting him as Clinton's rival in terms of charisma. But he is likeable.

By the way his Clinton comparison comes from being appealling to moderates, not his ability with women or on screen ability.

oh thanks. but yeah Clinton even before the monica scandal was known for making every woman in the crowd wet during a speech, while the men were just mesmorized to the point where it would take a shotgun to get their attention.
 
Spider-Bite said:
oh thanks. but yeah Clinton even before the monica scandal was known for making every woman in the crowd wet during a speech, while the men were just mesmorized to the point where it would take a shotgun to get their attention.
He is Bill Clinton, not Jesus.
 
Jesus got so much tail back in the day.
 

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