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[Picard Stewart]

@Picard Stewart

 

[JEM]

This thread
I mean, we have director for New Mutant and you can't stop this silly discussion ....

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

A lot of the anger in this thread stems from some pseudo belief of competition between the studios.

"My Studio is better than your studio at making CBMs!"

I have no horse in any race and would love to see all studios succeed with making great CBMs.

Well it's impossible to talk about the potential crossover because MCU fans derail the thread every time we try. And I'm tired of getting banned so I won't ever go into the ff forums.

Competition is good everyone should make better films because of it.

 

[Parker Wayne]

Well it's impossible to talk about the potential crossover because MCU fans derail the thread every time we try.

I agree that that's stupid, too.

 

[Parker Wayne]

And I'm tired of getting banned so I won't ever go into the ff forums.

Competition is good everyone should make better films because of it.

The FF forums are f**king awful. I refuse to go back there too.

I agree about competition. I'm just sitting back and enjoying the fact that Marvel has done well with their movies and that Fox has stepped up their game ever since also. I'm also glad that WB started to think about connecting their studios which led to BvS beating made finally after years of development hell for getting those 2 on screen together.

We win. Let the studios fight each other. I just dislike fanboyism.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Well it's impossible to talk about the potential crossover because MCU fans derail the thread every time we try. And I'm tired of getting banned so I won't ever go into the ff forums.

Let the haters hate. Their hate won't stop Phase II from happening

Speaking of which, yesterday I went to see Mad Max with some friends and one of them asked me if Apocalypse was the villain of the 2018 film. I said nobody knows who the villain will be but we both agreed it should be Apocalypse again.

I'd like X-Men: Apocalypse to end with Apocalypse triumphant over the X-Men and have them unite with the other factions to defeat him in 2018.

 

[Parker Wayne]

I'd like X-Men: Apocalypse to end with Apocalypse triumphant over the X-Men and have them unite with the other factions to defeat him in 2018.

Sounds like a good idea but I doubt it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Well it's impossible to talk about the potential crossover because MCU fans derail the thread every time we try. And I'm tired of getting banned so I won't ever go into the ff forums

This so much.

Thread gets derailed by MCU fans everytime.And the FF forums are filled with nothing by anti-fox posts and those who want FF to fail.They should just reopen the postive and hope film fails threads so we who are intrested in film can go without all the negativity.

For me it's more about the characters.X-Men is my favorate COmic book
universe.I would always pick X_Men and Spider-man over avengers.Me hating idea of spider-man in avengers is way i have became meh towards new film after rumored title Spider-man:The New Avenger.I would also chooce Batman over avengers.

 

[samsnee]

Wait X-force is still happening?

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

You've opened a door you don't know how to close. You don't know anything about what's coming.

This SCREAMS crossover to me!

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Wait X-force is still happening?

The script needs to be rewritten because Apocalypse was the villain

 

[def28]

So in your eyes the blatant drop of quality from Avengers to AOU has nothing to do with "real studio meddling"? How about the drop of quality between Iron Man and IM2? That had nothing to do with studio meddling either?

I don't think Wright was laughing when he posted that. At least with him they didn't get a chance to meddle.

There was a time when Tom Rothman allowed films like the Tim Story FFs to get greenlit. That time is gone. Marvel Studios is CURRENTLY scaring away great directors and damaging their movies in the process.

AOU? Nope. A studio is always gonna have some sort of say man, come on. I know plenty of ciritcs, fans and GA members who enjoyed it just as much if not more. Your putting way too much stock in the tomatoe meter that's not even that bad for a film people enjoyed on top of having a previous one have almost impssoble heights of following. That movie was very much Whendons film and they obvisouly gave him tons of creative control. Your crazy if you don't think the same things happens with Singer. IM2, was a rushed film above everything, that was it's major fault. Was it as good as Im1 heck no.I don''t like it much. That film is a much better example, but even then plenty of people still enjoy the hell out of it. And you would be a fool to think otherwise. I hope if Apocalypse gets inbetween a 75-80% people won't be calling the same sort of lame bs. Welcome to a time where a film has to get a 90% on RT in order to be credible. Bunch of pathetic nonsense. Would love to see some of the modern fanboy reactions to Empire Strikes Back getting mixed reviews.

As for Wright, how do you know for a second that he was making the right choices? His Ant-Man script always sounded off to me. Wasn't Arronofsky hired and dropped from Wolverine? Stop the assumption that every time a studio makes a decision it was for the worst. Fox's decision to throw Kinberg on F4 late in the game was not to give Trank more control. These studios have to salvage when there's a problem.

My issue with you is you seem unaware that every studio plays this game. One is just in the spotlight siggnifcantly more. There is no good guy or bad, if your trying to tell me F4 is in better hands after all the possible rumors, prior films, rights deadline and not even being released well...your jumoing to ridiculous conclusions as much as others are. Fox isn't an innoncent little angel haha. Neither are Universal, Sony, Disney, Warner Bros, Paramount etc.

 

[Picard Stewart]

AOU? Nope. A studio is always gonna have some sort of say man, come on. I know plenty of ciritcs, fans and GA members who enjoyed it just as much if not more. Your putting way too much stock in the tomatoe meter that's not even that bad for a film people enjoyed on top of having a previous one have almost impssoble heights of following. That movie was very much Whendons film and they obvisouly gave him tons of creative control. Your crazy if you don't think the same things happens with Singer. IM2, was a rushed film above everything, that was it's major fault. Was it as good as Im1 heck no.I don''t like it much. That film is a much better example, but even then plenty of people still enjoy the hell out of it. And you would be a fool to think otherwise. I hope if Apocalypse gets inbetween a 75-80% people won't be calling the same sort of lame bs. Welcome to a time where a film has to get a 90% on RT in order to be credible. Bunch of pathetic nonsense. Would love to see some of the modern fanboy reactions to Empire Strikes Back getting mixed reviews.

As for Wright, how do you know for a second that he was making the right choices? His Ant-Man script always sounded off to me. Wasn't Arronofsky hired and dropped from Wolverine? Stop the assumption that every time a studio makes a decision it was for the worst. Fox's decision to throw Kinberg on F4 late in the game was not to give Trank more control. These studios have to salvage when there's a problem.

My issue with you is you seem unaware that every studio plays this game. One is just in the spotlight siggnifcantly more. There is no good guy or bad, if your trying to tell me F4 is in better hands after all the possible rumors, prior films, rights deadline and not even being released well...your jumoing to ridiculous conclusions as much as others are. Fox isn't an innoncent little angel haha. Neither are Universal, Sony, Disney, Warner Bros, Paramount etc.

Sounds to me like you're not ready to come to terms with the fact that Marvel Studios' long history of treating talented directors poorly continues to affect the material.

Or you just love all the movies. And that's fine.

Me, I notice the ones that are lacking or fall short of their potential and there's nothing "pathetic" in noticing that. I remember leaving AOU disappointed with zero knowledge of how it had fared with the critics. I turned on my phone as I walked out of the IMAX and saw a 73%. A percentage that made sense to me. Later on that week Whedon did the Empire podcast and his airing of grievances explained the film's lack of heart to me.

This is an old story that some fans simply refuse to acknowledge. You'd think after the Wright fiasco which Whedon of all people supported him for, the fandom would finally say enough but instead they said "good riddens." Now that Whedon's venting its "all studios meddle". Favreau, Taylor, Jenkins, Norton...there's always some way the fans will justify the way the studio treated them rather than side with the filmmakers.

Right now the only studio capable of pissing off Joss Whedon and sending him running from the franchise he built is Marvel Studios.

 

[def28]

Did you not read a damn thing I posted? Are you seriously missing the point here? I know you want to piss on Marvel and at this point I could care less, but get it through your head that all studios play this game.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Did you not read a damn thing I posted? Are you seriously missing the point here? I know you want to piss on Marvel and at this point I could care less, but get it through your head that all studios play this game.

That's the thing, they don't. But at this point I can tell its a truth you're not ready to accept so let's not continue this dialogue any further.

The next time a director Marvel wronged decides to vent about the studio's crap I'll pursue this convo with you again.

 

[def28]

That's the thing, they don't. But at this point I can tell its a truth you're not ready to accept so let's not continue this dialogue any further.

You don't think Whdeon's ever vented on Fox? He's been doing this since X-Men 1.

You are literally insane if you don't think stuff like this goes around other studios.

 

[Eddie]

You don't think Whdeon's ever vented on Fox?

Whedon has been far harsher of Fox' treatment of his X-Men script than anything Marvel, for sure. He's also openly railed against the television part of the company many a time.

 

[Picard Stewart]

You don't think Whdeon's ever vented on Fox? You are literally insane if you don't think stuff like this goes around at other studios.

Whedon didn't direct two $250-million-dollar films for FOX that grossed over a billion each. He wrote and directed them for Marvel Studios/Disney.

And while studio meddling does happen elsewhere, currently Marvel is championing that behavior with its CBMs. Fox isn't.

 

[Eddie]

Not sure why you think Marvel is "championing" that when Iron Man 3 couldn't have been more of a Shane Black film if it tried and Guardians of the Galaxy was practically oozing James Gunn. EVERY big studio is heavily involved in the filmmaking process. Fox does some things very well, but they do not just write blank checks to every director that walks in the door and tell them to make whatever. Hell, DoFP went through some major changes. Quicksilver wasn't even in it when they initially cast the film.

 

[def28]

And while studio meddling does happen elsewhere, currently Marvel is championing that behavior with its CBMs. Fox isn't.

Did you not see those Sony emails? This stuff happens all the time.

With Fox they only have had one Director come back for their Marvel films for the past 6 years. Mangold will finally be the second. And Arronfosky was originally supposed to direct/write Wolverine. Vaughn left and Tranks had plenty of issues leading up to this film to be sketchy of. People move in and out of these things for various reasons.

Only been three Marvel films post Rothman, and on the 4th there's been issues. They are not even in the game of balancing multiple films yet with the creative consultant in play. They need studo managing in a case like that.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Not sure why you think Marvel is "championing" that when Iron Man 3 couldn't have been more of a Shane Black film if it tried and Guardians of the Galaxy was practically oozing James Gunn. EVERY big studio is heavily involved in the filmmaking process. Fox does some things very well, but they do not just write blank checks to every director that walks in the door and tell them to make whatever. Hell, DoFP went through some major changes. Quicksilver wasn't even in it when they initially cast the film.

Singer had final cut on DOFP as did Vaughn with First Class. I'm sure Trank did too. Same goes for Reeves and Wyatt on both Apes movies.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Trank's final cut of Fantastic Four has required significant reshoots because of the BtS chaos that reined while he was shooting it.

 

[Eddie]

Yeah, Trank most certainly does not have a true final cut. Fox isn't even using the SFX studio that Trank was using going in (it went from OTOY to Weta) and the editor from Avatar has allegedly been brought in. Baaaaaad example, there.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

They are not even in the game of balancing multiple films yet with a creative consultant. They need studo managing in a case like that.

Ooooooor they don't blow their load in a press conference and let the individual movies speak for themselves. That's why fans were crying about too much or not enough set up in AoU for future films.

 

[kevork89]

Omg seriously get over it all of you. The Marvel vs Fox topic is getting really old. Just enjoy whatever each studio put out there. Marvel fans just wanna dig at Fox and Fox fans just wanna dig at Marvel. I am a fan of both. And enjoy all the movies. The whole studio nonsense is so annoying.

Marvel fans just need to relax themselves. Fox is just starting out their planned universe. It doesn't happen overnight. It took time for Marvel to plan it out. And let's be honest it does seem there is some issues going on. Look at Ant-Man, Thor 2, Iron Man 2 etc. But also Fox has had issues in the past but they're trying to change and rectify that. Marvel aren't getting X-Men or F4 anytime soon. So let's just move on from that.

Marvel are awesome. Look at what they've done with their universe. It's awesome and cool and has changed the comic boo landscape. I think they're a bit dirty over what's happening at Fox but hey whatever.