Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman! - - - - - Part 25

[jaymes_e06]

Agreed Flickchick.

 

[Invader34]

I guess I mean to say that I fear the type of mind that won't accept a dark skinned Johnny Storm even though he's still a handsome, fun loving young man, or a dark skinned James Bond even though he would still be a handsome, charming Englishman. That mind might not accept a WW with an exotic accent that screams "I'm not white" even though she is still beautiful, kind, and fierce.

Non-white lead actors are certainly being accepted by audiences more and more, but not seemingly so much if those actors are portraying legendary characters that are perceived by most to be white.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Since when is Gadot a non-white ?

 

[Invader34]

Since when is Gadot a non-white ?

Non-white American as it pertains to my concern, but hopefully it won't be a problem.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

These things do tend to be fluid, and culturally idiosyncratic... Let's remember folks that there were huge swaths of the American public at the time of heavy immigration in the late 19th and early 20th Century where Italians and Irish and any one of the Jewish faith, were in fact, not considered "white".

I am sure there's lots that upon first look at Gadot who would not think "caucasian woman".

 

[jokesonm3]

She looks white to me.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Johnny Storm was not fun loving in Fan-4-Stick. Fan-4-Stick did not fail because of Michael B Jordan's casting it failed because it is crappy movie in which the studio wasn't able to trick people into seeing it because they incompetently can't even cut an interesting trailer. Blaming that film's failure on MBJ is ridiculous.

The Idris Elba must be James Bond or James Bond must be black thing is not something I give a crap about. I don't see why anybody is desperate to have such a despicable character be black? I just don't get it. If they were to cast a black guy fine, whatever but if they don't (they won't) fine whatever. Don't care either way.

Most people consider Natalie Portman to be white, I don't know why they wouldn't consider Gal Gadot to be as well considering they come from the same place and have similar looks.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Johnny Storm was not fun loving in Fan-4-Stick. Fan-4-Stick did not fail because of Michael B Jordan's casting it failed because it is crappy movie in which the studio wasn't able to trick people into seeing it because they incompetently can even cut an interesting trailer. Blaming that film's failure on MBJ is ridiculous. The Idris Elba must be James Bond or James Bond must be black thing is not something I give a crap about. I don't see why anybody is desperate to have such a despicable character be black? I just don't get it. If they were to cast a black guy fine, whatever but if they don't (they won't) fine whatever. Don't care either way.

Most people consider Natalie Portman to be white, I don't know why they wouldn't consider Gal Gadot to be as well considering the come from the same place and have similar looks.

Just gonna play Devil's Advocate here...

I'm Puerto Rican. Now we come in every shade under the sun. Now, myself, I look... Ethnic, shall we say, but... I ain't exactly "brown skinned" either. Like, you look at me and maybe I'm a light skinned Hispanic (which is what I am) or light skinned person of Middle Eastern origin, or Italian, something with Middle Eastern blood. In any case, I could easily pass... And I am telling you now that I went from living in NYC to being one of a handful of Hispanic students (maybe... 6 to 12 any given year) in a predominately all white High School. Now despite looking "white" and despite not having an accent, in fact, not speaking Spanish AT ALL, I know for a fact that I for sure was not considered "white" by a crap metric ton of folks out there in the mountains of Pa. This wasn't the 70's or something, this was the 90's people.

Like I said, this sort of thing is incredibly idiosyncratic culture wise. Rashida Jones is a "white girl" to most, yet Tiger Woods is "black", when in fact if you placed Tiger on a bus in downtown Bangkok he'd blend in to the point of invisibility.


To get totally back on topic... I think that despite the traditional blue eyes, when fans have thought about Diana as a role to be played by a real three dimensional actress, especially the last 15 years or so, I think that we take into account that she is a super hero whose origin is tied into the mythology and folk lore of the ancient near East and Mediterranean. As such, someone that looks and sounds and whose bearing simply evokes the girl next door, the ALL AMERICAN girl next door, well that visual does not compute for many. Getting Gal (in fact, look at the short list for the actresses looked at for Diana, it's not just about Gal) to be WW is about highlighting her outsider status, and this includes how she sounds, but also how she looks. Yes, IT IS SILLY AND IRRATIONAL AND IT FLIES IN THE FACE OF REALITY, but, with her look, voice and general way she handles herself, Gal exudes a quality that when I see her, I do think the words "foreign" and "exotic" are swirling in my mind somewhere.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Just because you are "foreign" it does not mean you don't look white Nicole Kid man is foreign for example... not really following your thought process there Kryppy.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Just because you are "foreign" it does not mean you don't look white Nicole Kid man is foreign for example... not really following your thought process there Kryppy.

Once again... If you are looking for a totally logical, air tight rational elucidation of this idea... You aint gonna get it. Like I said, it's a very fluid and culturally idiosyncratic idea, "race/non-white/white/exotic/foreign" and so on. It didn't pass logical muster then and it doesn't now, but that doesn't change the fact that it's in a lot of people, Caucasian or not, in the country.

I was responding to ISS saying she couldn't get how some could think or classify Gadot as being non-white when they don't consider Portman non-white, and I'm saying it easily happens in similar circumstances all the time, or in the least the strangeness of the categories we place people in is apparent a lot. I can stand next to people I am related to and for sure a lot would say I am the "white person" or a least, I don't look as "Ethnic" as a cousin of mine or an aunt... HOWEVER I can assure you, despite not speaking Spanish, having an accent, despite being a milquetoast nerdy teen that never got into trouble with the law or was a problem in school, that the people I lived around in Pennsylvania, to a lot of them I was an "other", an "exotic", a 'foreigner" (despite obviously being born in the country to two of it's citizens... But they are both Hispanic too so...) based on little if anything (Seriously jaymes... I should PM you about how on my first day of High School a student told a joke that compared African Americans and Puerto Ricans with skunks... FIRST DAY!) they made a call on me despite myself being neither particularly dark skinned nor sounded like someone that speaks in a foreign tongue all the time. So, from my personal experience, I think there are a lot more people out there in the audience that would view and Israelis Jewish woman as being exotic, non-white and for sure, foreign.

 

[Invader34]

Johnny Storm was not fun loving in Fan-4-Stick. Fan-4-Stick did not fail because of Michael B Jordan's casting it failed because it is crappy movie in which the studio wasn't able to trick people into seeing it because they incompetently can't even cut an interesting trailer. Blaming that film's failure on MBJ is ridiculous.

The Idris Elba must be James Bond or James Bond must be black thing is not something I give a crap about. I don't see why anybody is desperate to have such a despicable character be black? I just don't get it. If they were to cast a black guy fine, whatever but if they don't (they won't) fine whatever. Don't care either way.

Most people consider Natalie Portman to be white, I don't know why they wouldn't consider Gal Gadot to be as well considering they come from the same place and have similar looks.

I was speaking hypothetically about these two situations as I haven't seen F4 and obviously Elba isn't Bond, but in both instances a decent amount of displeasure was displayed at even the potential for both castings and actually did carry onto MBJ after he was cast, honestly couldn't say if it hurt the film, couldn't say it didn't though either, don't really know how such evidence would be acquired actually. I was using these examples as a comparison to the potential displeasure audiences may have for a non-white American WW (The way she's been displayed for years in tv and animation) seeing as how most of the general public probably aren't aware of Gal's nationality. Hopefully its not an issue at all.

Gal Gadot and Natalie Portman do look alike, but one has a very strong foreign accent that won't be lost on anyone in the States, and the other has a very traditional American accent that allows her to pretty much blend in.

 

[jokesonm3]

 

[roach]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Welcome back co-pilot.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I was speaking hypothetically about these two situations as I haven't seen F4 and obviously Elba isn't Bond, but in both instances a decent amount of displeasure was displayed at even the potential for both castings and actually did carry onto MBJ after he was cast, honestly couldn't say if it hurt the film, couldn't say it didn't though either, don't really know how such evidence would be acquired actually. I was using these examples as a comparison to the potential displeasure audiences may have for a non-white American WW (The way she's been displayed for years in tv and animation) seeing as how most of the general public probably aren't aware of Gal's nationality. Hopefully its not an issue at all.

Gal Gadot and Natalie Portman do look alike, but one has a very strong foreign accent that won't be lost on anyone in the States, and the other has a very traditional American accent that allows her to pretty much blend in.

She's not non white though. She reads as white to the vast majority of people. There are real women of color struggling in Hollywood, I'm not going to pretend that Gal Gadot, even with her accent, will have the same troubles scoring roles as black actresses or non lily white Latina actresses or Asian actresses. Gal Gadot has white lady privilege in Hollywood just like Natalie Portman and other Jewish actresses. It's not their fault but it's a reality. I'm not even saying that she should be strictly considered white but the reality is that she is considered white.

 

[kvz5]

She's not non white though. She reads as white to the vast majority of people. There are real women of color struggling in Hollywood, I'm not going to pretend that Gal Gadot, even with her accent, will have the same troubles scoring roles as black actresses or non lily white Latina actresses or Asian actresses. Gal Gadot has white lady privilege in Hollywood just like Natalie Portman and other Jewish actresses. It's not their fault but it's a reality. I'm not even saying that she should be strictly considered white but the reality is that she is considered white.

I think a lot of French/European actresses have these "advantage" as well where they have the white privilege and since they have the look that could pass as "exotic", casting agents go to the likes of them instead of going full blown and going for an actual actress from the said "exotic" region.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think a lot of French/European actresses have these "advantage" as well where they have the white privilege and since they have the look that could pass as "exotic", casting agents go to the likes of them instead of going full blown and going for an actual actress from the said "exotic" region.

Oh absolutely French/European actresses have the same advantage. She can be "exotic" but not too exotic.

 

[Black Narcissus]

She's not non white though. She reads as white to the vast majority of people. There are real women of color struggling in Hollywood, I'm not going to pretend that Gal Gadot, even with her accent, will have the same troubles scoring roles as black actresses or non lily white Latina actresses or Asian actresses. Gal Gadot has white lady privilege in Hollywood just like Natalie Portman and other Jewish actresses. It's not their fault but it's a reality. I'm not even saying that she should be strictly considered white but the reality is that she is considered white.

All this is true, but I still feel like her accent is still holding her back to fully take advantage of that white lady privilege. lol

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[Hunter Rider]

I love this pic.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I think a lot of French/European actresses have these "advantage" as well where they have the white privilege and since they have the look that could pass as "exotic", casting agents go to the likes of them instead of going full blown and going for an actual actress from the said "exotic" region.

That's why I think it's silly we are having this discussion. It seems like a "poor white woman" thing that Jennifer Lawrence has been trying to make popular these days.

She has more advantage than disadvantages looking slightly exotic than anyone of actual other decent than white. She is just marketable enough to appeal to the widest audience without threatening any.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

Anyone remember when she flashed two fingers in her Comic-Con appearance last year and people criticized her for making gang symbols? Good times...good times...

 

[jokesonm3]

Anyone remember when she flashed two fingers in her Comic-Con appearance last year and people criticized her for making gang symbols? Good times...good times...

Somehow i blame Ayer for that.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

That's why I think it's silly we are having this discussion. It seems like a "poor white woman" thing that Jennifer Lawrence has been trying to make popular these days.

She has more advantage than disadvantages looking slightly exotic than anyone of actual other decent than white. She is just marketable enough to appeal to the widest audience without threatening any.

I haven't seen Jennifer Lawrence doing a poor white woman thing. I think that women at the same level as men in any industry should be paid as much whether they are white or black. Nobody is crying for Jennifer Lawrence or any of these rich actresses but in her field I see where she is coming from.

White or black or whichever race, people think that women who speak up about anything are whining and I don't care for that attitude. I did just read Julie Delpy directly say that she had it harder than black artists when she addressed the Oscar whiteout controversy. I disagree with her 100% of course. To me that is gross white woman whining.

 

[jokesonm3]

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Love it!