Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - Part 19

[ThePhantasm]

Spoiler

The Pink Letter is fake in the book as we know Stannis is alive from Theon's TWOW chapter. I think Loras might get killed in the show. He might be referring to Jon, too.

GRRM actually said that [BLACKOUT]the Theon TWOW chapter[/BLACKOUT] takes place before the end of DWD. So that's still up in the air. [blackout]The pink letter might not be fake.[/blackout]

 

[Reek]

'For the Watch' would be more shocking than the RW in terms of the general audience/nonbook readers. Robb/Cat dying is nothing compared to like Tyrion, Dany or Jon biting it. Especially when people see it, they will be all 'wtf so i guess [blackout]we are done with the wall now? no other reason to tlak about it.[/blackout]

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think Stannis himself isn't beloved by the audience in the same way that Robb and Cat were, and even with the characterisation they've given him it still wouldn't be a gut punch the way the RW was. Pretty much everyone loved Robb and Cat, whereas opinions on Stannis are mixed at best. Don't get me wrong, he's on his last legs, but I don't see him being the big one. "For the Watch" seems more appropriate because Jon Snow is universally loved and is the last main "Stark" hero left in any position of power, and especially because that scene in question was set up to be this big heroic come back for him before suddenly going horrifically wrong. The audience would freak the **** out.


There is also the apparently heinous scene that Alfie and Iwan talked about earlier, which they said would make Ramsay even more hated than Joffrey ever was. That could stun/shock people if was an extreme display of perversity or carnage, or alternatively it could something Ramsay does and something Theon and Sansa do in response.

 

[Victarion]

That's this Sunday, I think.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Do you think this season is ending with the end of DWD or will the last eps go a bit into WOW?

 

[Roose Bolton]

He definitely looks like he's getting some action next week, though I wonder if they'll have the wedding so soon. Supposedly Greatjon Umber is making a return this season and he could probably fill in for Manderly well enough, should they need to throw in various Northern Houses to make an event of it.

Do you think this season is ending with the end of DWD or will the last eps go a bit into WOW?

Bit of both I'd say. Like everything Meereen will probably end with Dany flying off on Drogons back, but all the aftermath will probably be left for the first Ep or two of Season 6, so probably still within DWD there, but stuff like King's Landing and Arya with the Faceless Men will go into WOW. I suppose it'll be like season 4 in the sense that some stuff will be ahead and some will be behind.

 

[dude stannis]

He definitely looks like he's getting some action next week, though I wonder if they'll have the wedding so soon. Supposedly Greatjon Umber is making a return this season and he could probably fill in for Manderly well enough, should they need to throw in various Northern Houses to make an event of it.

This better mean Frey pies. Do you see Davos going after Rickon this season?

 

[Roose Bolton]

I could see it in an altered way. Like I could see Stannis sending Davos to treat with the Umbers on the way down from the Wall as its the castle closest, and then maybe have Greatjon reveal he has Rickon or knows where he is. They didn't just drop the "North Remembers" line in Ep3 if they weren't going to have it come into play.

So yeah, in a sense I can see Davos getting some form of mission. But I don't know that it'll be Skagos or anything.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Edit:never mind....

 

[Marvolo]

Edit

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why are there so many edits all of sudden?

 

[Roose Bolton]

For my part I posted something...frowned upon. Can't speak for Marv.

 

[Marvolo]

http://www.independent.ie/entertain...of-thrones-star-liam-cunningham-31162235.html

My guess:

The Pink Letter isn't a ruse. Stannis is dead, Brienne, Sansa and Theon are fleeing through the winter storms for Castle Black. For the Watch happens. Chaos breaks out at Castle Black. Selyse and Melisandre burn Shireen in an attempt to resurrect Stannis. It doesn't work. Jon is dead, Stannis is dead, Davos is dead, Ramsay is heading for Castle Black and Lord Bolton is still ruling as Warden of the North.

It says there is a scene that is more shocking than the RW. All the stuff you listed would be a lot more than a single scene.

For the Watch happens in Episode 9 at the Battle of Hardhome so I doubt it would happen in the same episode as all that other stuff. Since Jon is apparently left for dead at Hardhome there is no way for him to receive the Pink Letter. So the Pink Letter is likely cut.

And I doubt we would learn of Stannis's death by way of letter. If it happens we will witness it or at least see a skinned corpse but seeing as he was going to battle him dying isnt exactly shocking. Shireen being burned alive wouldn't be shocking either. Upsetting but not shocking. Not for this show.

Frankly, I doubt anything is ever going to be as shocking as the RW.

It's not just the number of deaths that makes the RW so shocking. It's the way it went down. The show runners set it up so that the viewers were led into a false sense of security. Arya is on her way to join her mother and brother. Robb has made amends with the freys. Robb and his group are protected by the laws of hospitality. Walder is cracking jokes. Robb is planning to return to the North. It all seems safe to the unsullied viewers.

It's all calm and happy and then the Rains of Castamere start up and Roose's chainmail is revealed followed swiftly by a Frey repeatedly stabbing Robb's wife in her pregnant belly and a total massacre. Then when only Cat and Rob are left and the unsullied are desperately clinging to hope that Cat could maybe negotiate for Robb's life by threatening Walder's wife Walder drops the mic and says "I'll find another wife." And Roose stabs Robb and Cat's throat is slit.

If anything is going to top that and the effect it had on viewers it can't just be the death of one of two main characters. It has to be something massively shocking and cruel. Cruel not just for the character but also cruel for the viewer.

 

[Marvolo]

Why are there so many edits all of sudden?

I edited that one.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There was nothing that shocking about the RW imo. Ned was far more "shocking". The RW works because of the tension. You know something isn't right and you can't do anything about it.

If they wanted to truly shock, "killing" Jon, Arya or Tyrion would do it. Which is why I think they are hinting at Jon's "death".

 

[Roose Bolton]

There's a disturbing scene in the next Ep, that kind of retroactively makes the Stannis scene with Shireen even better in an oddly sweet way.

 

[Victarion]

Was episode five leaked as well?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Only three scenes.

 

[Victarion]

Found them. Kill the Boy indeed.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yup. Good news for everyone.

 

[Huddsy]

I hate you two right now

 

[Roose Bolton]

 

[Huddsy]

Nvm found it. Taken right from the page that scene...

But only two scenes, not three, did I find.






Am I typing like yoda?

 

[Double B]

Only three scenes.

Found them. Kill the Boy indeed.

Help me. Tell me. Spoil me.

I have such Games cravings right now.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Basically:

Spoiler

Aemon and Jon talk about leadership, and Aemon gives him the speech about how he has to kill the boy, and let the man be born. Pretty much word for word from the scene in A Dance With Dragons.

Spoiler

It's a Bolton family dinner, with Ramsay suggesting to Sansa that Reek should walk her down the isle since she has no one else. He's getting hyped up like an excited child. Roose shuts him by announcing that Walda is pregnant and that they think the child will be a boy. He does it all happily and cheerful for Sansa's benefit, but his underlining threat to Ramsay is basically to keep himself in line or he'll be replaced. Ramsay goes quiet.

Spoiler

Tyrion and Jorah are sailing down river......IN VALYRIA. There are a lot of ruins and a heavy mist, and Tyrion starts reciting a poem which Jorah actually knows and finishes in a really eloquent display. Tyrion says he'd clap his hands but they're tied. They seem like on relatively friendly terms. Drogon flies over and Tyrion stares in open shock, amazed by the sight, whereas Jorah looks on with a mixture of pride and sadness. Scene ends with a stone man standing up on the ridge behind them, looking like a weirdly inhuman thing.