Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - - Part 21

[DarthSkywalker]

I know Wights and White Walkers are two different things. However, are you saying the White Walkers aren't some type of undead living humans at all? It seems the Night King was once a living human.

Nothing about the White Walkers seem undead. They are magical, but not undead. Undead would be the Wights. The White Walkers are transformed. They don't "die" and become White Walkers.

 

[TheVileOne]

I dunno, what I've read about the White Walkers seems to suggest they are creatures that used to be living humans.

According to the wiki on the Night's King, he used to be a Lord Commander in the Night's Watch...so...yeah...

 

[Reek]

I don't think all of them used to be humans. I think they are their own thing, but they can turn babies into whitewalkers as well... Not sure what went on with the Night's King... if he is in fact a former Lord Commander (which i think is unconfirmed, i dont remember anymore lol and i actually dont believe it).

Coldhands still hasn't come into play, show wise, which irritates me.

 

[TheVileOne]

So yeah that's another thing, the Night's King has the power to convert humans into White Walkers. That's more proof that some of them were previously living humans. In addition, that's the reason they were collecting Craster's other male babies.

 

[Drz]

Yes they needed babies to sustain themselves as a race, which is why they're coming South as well and peace needs to be made.

 

[TheVileOne]

Not sure how you can make peace with a race like the White Walkers considering what they do to reproduce.

 

[Drz]

It's not that much different than what the Wildlings and Ironborn do, and let us remember that if Craster wasn't giving away his boys, he'd just murder them in cold blood, atleast the children find a purpose in life this way.

At the end of the day, do you really think anyone in Westeros after 3 seasons can have any high moral to judge anyone? Also, we don't know what happens if Humans and White Walkers make an union, we only know of the legends of the Female Other and Night's King.

 

[Marvolo]

I know Wights and White Walkers are two different things. However, are you saying the White Walkers aren't some type of undead living humans at all? It seems the Night King was once a living human.

The Nights King was human, yes. Legend is he was Lord Commander but he fell in love with a woman in the north who had skin white as snow and eyes of blue ice. After that he started doing all sorts of heinous ****. Human sacrifices and the like. The books say he was killed by the starks, and he's never reappeared in the books. This white walker version of the Night's King may only be a creation of D&D's to give the enemy a central face.

But there is no indication that a human dies when they become a white walker in the book or show. In the books we dont even know if the babies are turned into white walkers. As for the show, keep in mind that from whats been shown in the show, its a transformation and not a death and the transformation is magical. The Night's King isnt killing the living baby. He is transforming it. When the white walkers are touched by Dragon Steel and Dragon glass they shatter and turn into ice. So their entire being seems to be pure magic and not human at all.

The wights on the other hand are just human corpses that are being controlled like puppets. Magic is controlling them but the wights themselves arent magic. They are just reanimated human corpses.

 

[Marvolo]

Dan Weiss and David Benioff open up about Game of Thrones' awful first pilot

Dan Weiss said that "watching them watch that original pilot was one of the most painful experiences of my life, as soon as it finished, Craig [Mazin] said, ‘You guys have a massive problem.'" Benioff added that "none of (our friends) realized that Jaime and Cersei were brother and sister, which is a major, major plot point that we had somehow failed to establish." Benioff was taking notes on a yellow legal pad throughout the screening and he remembered writing "MASSIVE PROBLEM" in all caps and couldn't think of anything else for the rest of the night. "Craig [Marzin] didn’t really have any great ideas except that he said ‘change everything.’

Original pilot director Tom McCarthy (SPOTLIGHT) was replaced by Tim Van Patten (Boardwalk Empire) and some of the more significant re-casting included Michelle Fairley replacing Jennifer Ehle in the role of Catelyn Stark and Emilia Clarke replacing Tamzin Merchant in the role of Daenerys Targaryen. When all was said and done, Dan Weiss and David Benioff had not only managed to salvage the pilot, but turn it into something great.

Craig Marzin recalls viewing the new and improved pilot for the first time:

"I will never forget being invited to the premiere of the first season. I went in just thinking (skeptically), “Well, I guess we’ll just see how this goes.” I sat there and this show unfolds and I am stunned. Stunned. And I very specifically remember walking out and I said to [Weiss and Benioff], “That is the biggest rescue in Hollywood history.” Because it wasn’t just that they had saved something bad and turned it really good. You had saved a complete piece of ***** and turned it into something brilliant. That never happens!"

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/dan...p-about-game-of-thrones-awful-first-pilot-240

I wish they would release that thing or some brave soul would leak it.

 

[Reek]

yea... the catelyn they had cast looks much more like the books intention IMO

 

[chamber-music]

The actress they cast as the original Catelyn Stark is the daughter of Rosemary Harris (Aunt May in the Raimi Spider-Man films).

Ian McNeice played Illyrio Mopatis.
I have a hard time picturing Tamzin Merchant as Daenerys Targaryen

 

[dude stannis]

I don't think she'd have the same vacancy behind the eyes and inflated sense of self importance Clarke brings to the role.

 

[TheVileOne]

The Nights King was human, yes. Legend is he was Lord Commander but he fell in love with a woman in the north who had skin white as snow and eyes of blue ice. After that he started doing all sorts of heinous ****. Human sacrifices and the like. The books say he was killed by the starks, and he's never reappeared in the books. This white walker version of the Night's King may only be a creation of D&D's to give the enemy a central face.

But there is no indication that a human dies when they become a white walker in the book or show. In the books we dont even know if the babies are turned into white walkers. As for the show, keep in mind that from whats been shown in the show, its a transformation and not a death and the transformation is magical. The Night's King isnt killing the living baby. He is transforming it. When the white walkers are touched by Dragon Steel and Dragon glass they shatter and turn into ice. So their entire being seems to be pure magic and not human at all.

The wights on the other hand are just human corpses that are being controlled like puppets. Magic is controlling them but the wights themselves arent magic. They are just reanimated human corpses.

Seems like the difference between higher vampires and lower vampires to me.

 

[Victarion]

Seems like the difference between higher vampires and lower vampires to me.

You mean from King's Dark Tower?

The closest we have in the books to a figurehead for the Others/White Walkers. Spoilers for A Dance with Dragons

Spoiler

Melisandre has a chapter where she looks into the flames and asks to see the face of the Other. She sees a man with a corpse-white face, bound to the roots of a weirwood tree and a child with a wolf's head. He throws back his head and howls.

 

[TheVileOne]

You mean from King's Dark Tower?

The closest we have in the books to a figurehead for the Others/White Walkers. Spoilers for A Dance with Dragons

Spoiler

Melisandre has a chapter where she looks into the flames and asks to see the face of the Other. She sees a man with a corpse-white face, bound to the roots of a weirwood tree and a child with a wolf's head. He throws back his head and howls.

To me just like different variations of the same general species or category.

 

[Reek]

arent the white walkers like 8 feet tall lol

if you don't see a pretty obvious difference between mindless zombies running around and the Nights King and his 'horsemen' white walkers... then maybe lay off the booze.

The Others have their own language as well... the wights don't speak at all.

 

[Drizzle]

Dan Weiss and David Benioff open up about Game of Thrones' awful first pilot



I wish they would release that thing or some brave soul would leak it.

There's a chance they may release it when all is said and done. I'm curious to see Ehle's performance as Cat myself. A few scenes did make it to the final version of the pilot. I think Tyrion and Jaime in the brothel was one of them.

 

[Reek]

Yea i think Jon, Bejen (and then Tyrion) was the same too.

that is a much better Cat IMO... Fairley, while good, just looked too old... she looked older than Ned which wasn't the case... maybe having all those kids influenced casting an older (looking) woman

 

[Sawyer]

IDGAF about her age, Fairley was everything.

 

[Reek]

I didn't say she was bad. Maybe Ehle just sucked at life? She is just much more book accurate. Fairley should have clawed her eyes out. (woman honestly deserved an emmy for the RW alone).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There's a chance they may release it when all is said and done. I'm curious to see Ehle's performance as Cat myself. A few scenes did make it to the final version of the pilot. I think Tyrion and Jaime in the brothel was one of them.

You can tell by the hair and costumes. It is really obvious with Ned, especially in the crypt and when he talks to Jaime at the party. Also, Sansa and Arya are clearly much younger in some scenes.

 

[Victarion]

David Nutter won an award for direction on Mother's Mercy.

 

[Sawyer]

http://tvline.com/2016/02/11/game-of-thrones-season-6-photos-blind-arya-bran/

New pics, y'all.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Seeing Balon alive, this far into things is just...bizarre in so many ways.

 

[Victarion]

Seeing Balon alive, this far into things is just...bizarre in so many ways.

That gif of a railroad with the train rolling across it collapsing would be appropriate here. For me its bizarre because a year or two ago D and D were all, "we're going into uncharted territory! We're beyond the books!"

This season's a fix-up of AFFC and some cannibalized ADWD plots.