Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - - - Part 22

[Drz]

I was reading some of the cast interviews over on WotW. Tom Wlaschiha commented that the movers and shakers in the House of Black and White probably know about what's happening north of the Wall. Ya'll think they're training Arya with the intent of using her Winterfell connection to procure something dealing with the White Walkers?

One tinfoil hat theory I've read was that the House of Black and White need Arya in their help to assinate Bloodraven.

It goes something like this in short: Jagen Q'har and his pals are heading to North, then they meet Arya and realize she's a Warg/Skin changer, then Jagen also later on learns that there's that special candle in the Maester tower place, which would help him to locate Bloodraven and murder him.

So now the house of black and white, are developing and manipulating Arya to become their tool and get her to kill Bloodraven, and the people who want Bloodraven dead are the Golden Company.

Where does this info come from? Arya and others don't recognize the gold coins they've been paid by the mystery purchaser, these gold coins? Blackfyre money.

 

[Victarion]

One tinfoil hat theory I've read was that the House of Black and White need Arya in their help to assinate Bloodraven.

It goes something like this in short: Jagen Q'har and his pals are heading to North, then they meet Arya and realize she's a Warg/Skin changer, then Jagen also later on learns that there's that special candle in the Maester tower place, which would help him to locate Bloodraven and murder him.

So now the house of black and white, are developing and manipulating Arya to become their tool and get her to kill Bloodraven, and the people who want Bloodraven dead are the Golden Company.

Where does this info come from? Arya and others don't recognize the gold coins they've been paid by the mystery purchaser, these gold coins? Blackfyre money.

That's an interesting read. I can poke a few holes in it, though.

If Jaqen has knowledge of the glass candle in Marwyn's chamber, and gains access to it, what's stopping him from killing Bloodraven himself?

Next: any thoughts on what Doran meant when he called Darkstar "the most dangerous man in Dorne?" Its not in terms of military prowess; George outright tells us that Balon Swann is a pretty skilled knight. I don't recall George telling us anything like this about Darkstar.

I can't help but think that, being a Dayne and connected to Dawn, he'll have a bigger role than we think given that there's a Long Night impending.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Arianne says Darkstar would destroy an enemy's house "root and stem". So I think it's just the general sense that he's a killing machine in battle.

 

[Marvolo]

That's an interesting read. I can poke a few holes in it, though.

If Jaqen has knowledge of the glass candle in Marwyn's chamber, and gains access to it, what's stopping him from killing Bloodraven himself?

Next: any thoughts on what Doran meant when he called Darkstar "the most dangerous man in Dorne?" Its not in terms of military prowess; George outright tells us that Balon Swann is a pretty skilled knight. I don't recall George telling us anything like this about Darkstar.

I can't help but think that, being a Dayne and connected to Dawn, he'll have a bigger role than we think given that there's a Long Night impending.

I doubt Jaquen could get anywhere near Bloodraven. I feel like the Children and their magic will only let certain people enter the place where Bloodraven is, and I also suspect that Jaquen's face changing magic may not work there. So maybe they need someone that Bloodraven would trust. Someone that could get close enough to kill him. A Stark and sister of Bran would probably stand a better chance than some random assassin from across the sea.

Not saying I buy the theory DRZ posted, but if it were true then this may be why they need Arya to kill Bloodraven

 

[Victarion]

Tell that to Jacobs.

@Marvolo: That's a great point. I hadn't considered how the magic of the candles would interact with the children of the forest's magic.

 

[Drz]

If Jaqen has knowledge of the glass candle in Marwyn's chamber, and gains access to it, what's stopping him from killing Bloodraven himself?

Bloodraven controls monsters like Coldhand and others, so Jaqen having allies like Roark and Biter alongside Arya would help.

@Reek, you're getting disappointing with each posts, where's your sense of adventure? 1st you're liking this generic battle we're getting in season 6 and now you're just ignoring obvious hints that Martin has given to readers.

Go back to your Hobbit movies!

 

[Victarion]

It may not be as interesting as the books, but I'll still be more invested in Daddy Didn't Love Me Bowl than I was in the Rings Cycle battles. They've been very well put together.

 

[Drz]

Lol, only a few more weeks for the Tower of Joy episode Reek!

Believe the hype!

 

[Victarion]

I think Darkstar is Jon's twin.

 

[Marvolo]

How great would it be if in the same episode that they reveal R+L=J they also kill off Dany.

DRZ's theory utterly annihilated.

 

[Drz]

Killing off Daenerys would almost make up for the horrible idea of Jon Snow being a Anakin Skywalker trope.

 

[Marvolo]

Killing off Daenerys would almost make up for the horrible idea of Jon Snow being a Anakin Skywalker trope.

What areyou even talking about?

 

[The Apocalypse]

I totally forgot the show is back on this Sunday.

 

[Victarion]

Killing off Daenerys would almost make up for the horrible idea of Jon Snow being a Anakin Skywalker trope.

Keep in mind GRRM is a huge SciFi nerd. Most of his work prior to Ice and Fire is in the SF genre. Can you elaborate on Jon being an Anakin, though? I know Alfie Allen said that what GRRM has planned was Skywalker-esque...

More book than show, but I'm looking forward to the inevitable Dance of Dragons 2.0 where Jon and Dany go to war with one another.

 

[Marvolo]

Do yall think they will have the Tower of Joy reveal and Jon's resurrection in the same episode?

 

[Reek]

I'd say for sure. I'm curious as **** as to what the title for episode 4 is since that's when i think it will happen.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Tower of Joy is about episode 6, so I don't think the two will happen in the same episode. It'd be too late into the season to bring Jon back.

 

[Drz]

Keep in mind GRRM is a huge SciFi nerd. Most of his work prior to Ice and Fire is in the SF genre.

Well i'm glad you mention this, because if you look at his science fiction writing, because from those you can learn that:
- Martin has never written anyone being resurreccted, but finding corpses or souls transferred or being used as a husk.
- Prophecies don't exist.
- Hive mind creatures, such as the Children of the Forest

Which fits with Stoneheart and Dondarrion not being themselves, so why would Jon Snow resurrected remain the same? Will Jon's spirit remain in Ghost, is Jon's corpse being controlled by someone else or has part of him vanished? George R.R Martin has never written a resurrection like in the comics, where the character hasn't lost anything and things go back to normal, granted this doesn't mean the TV show wouldn't make Jon's resurrection like a typical comic book rebirth...

Also why the tv show hasn't bothered with Azor Ahai and other prophecies, because they're all false. George R.R Martin isn't about prophecies, destiny or predetermined events, it's about the free will and right to choose stuff.

Which is also why the only proper way to end this big giant battle againts the Others is...... by making peace with them. No big good vs. evil fantasy battle, just peace.

Can you elaborate on Jon being an Anakin, though?

I actually meant Luke, him not being a random farmer's son and learning he is a legendary Jedi's son and then he learn's his father was actually Darth Vader and him becoming this legendary Jedi himself who saves the world and whatnot.

Aragorn fits the same bill, from a mere ranger to the legendary King who unites us all and helps us win againts the evil forces.

Since we are indulging in baseless wild theories ive go a handful.

But I haven't posted a single baseless wild theory. Everything can be found from the books.

If anything, the R + L = J is a lot more wildless than R + L = D.

But here's the great thing about season 6, we will learn the truth about Jon Snow and Daenerys.

Daenerys should be meeting Quathe, learning about the secret pact between Dorne and Targaryens about Viserys and hopefully also unravel her own true past.

 

[Roose Bolton]

You think Dany banged Viserys dead body?

 

[C. Lee]

A reminder to everyone....this is the Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread ....it is NOT the lounge. Keep it on track and drop the fratboy attitudes.

 

[Reek]

I am sure Drz knew we were playing... we all have our theories here.

Drz, if I offended you, I didn't intend to. But I got an infraction for us being playful with one another.

Edit: well, I was sure.

 

[Victarion]

What was GRRM's purpose in giving us a Quentyn POV if it amounted to nothing more than a dead end in terms of the character?

 

[Drz]

What was GRRM's purpose in giving us a Quentyn POV if it amounted to nothing more than a dead end in terms of the character?

Quentyn's alive!!!!

I think Quentyn is just a victim of warfare, kinda like a innocent soldier blue.

 

[Marvolo]

What was GRRM's purpose in giving us a Quentyn POV if it amounted to nothing more than a dead end in terms of the character?

Sadism

 

[Victarion]

Stay safe on the interwebs. I might have clicked a big spoiler from episode one. One image we've seen. The spoilery one has the same kind of background as the one we've seen. I can't tell if its real or not. The first set of images above those were troll images straight from the trailers.

edit: Well, I did enjoy reading about the ****shows in Yunkai and Astapor.