Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - - - - - Part 24

[Roose Bolton]

None of the Lannisters like the Greyjoys. Euron torched their fleet while it was at anchor off the coast of Lannisport while Tyrion and Jaime watched from Casterly Rock. Both brothers bring it up in season 1 that they despise them for that.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I kinda wish they did a better job of breaking Theon (into Reek) in the show.

 

[Roose Bolton]

There was a lot that they cut out, I assume because it was either too intense for television or because they wanted to transfer elements of Theon's arc onto Sansa's story when they decided to forgo her book storyline.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Yeah I get that, I just wished the end product was more like the books. With Theon being no longer recognisable due to missing fingers, toes, teeth and his hair losing its colour.

 

[Reek]

you guys are mean.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah I get that, I just wished the end product was more like the books. With Theon being no longer recognisable due to missing fingers, toes, teeth and his hair losing its colour.

Oh I agree. The visual of this wretch hiding in the kennels and the dungeons eating rats and limping around without toes would have been incredibly powerful.

 

[Reek]

the inner monologue alone was worthy of a 3 episode arc

 

[TheFuture]

I'm sad that I'll probably never hear the lovely song of those ravenous hounds again.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'm sad that I'll probably never hear the lovely song of those ravenous hounds again.

As sad as John Clare?

 

[Reek]

I'm sad we will never hear the last of the giants

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah we got about seven different versions of The Rains of Castamere. Cut that **** down and gives as crying Wildlings singing about how mankind has wrecked the world.

Wun Wun would have appreciated it.

 

[Reek]

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[TheFuture]

As sad as John Clare?

I don't know what you mean, John Clare lived happily ever after with his fam and best mate Ms Ives.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Is there a reason why Sansa indirectly caused the deaths of around 2,000 men by not informing Jon about the incoming Vale army? I mean, that could have entirely changed Jon's strategy in the battle.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

They would do it like they do Ghost. A mix of real dog and vfx. To pull off Ghost they film the dog, most likely against a plate, and composite him into the frame and make him larger than he actually is. That process and the vfx artist work hours and the computer processing time eats up resources and budget. Thats why we dont see Ghost much.

You know, I really wish people here would stop posting like they are actually on the show's budget committee or secretly an HBO accountant and talking out of their hindquarters on this subject as if they know the constraints!

The reported FACT is, the show's success has escalated enough that HBO can justify increases to the production budget, and so they have systematically, as the producers have asked for more. In season 2 the cost per episode was $6M, now it's $10M. So if the story actually calls for a direwolf, it will get done, and the base model work for it is already done too.

 

[Iceman]

I'm not commenting much as I've just moved house and missed the last 2 episodes (Sky TV not set up yet). Should be able to catch up on everything on the weekend. Hope they were good!

 

[ThePhantasm]

Kinda hilarious how there's barely any snow during the battle. Winter is coming... eventually.

 

[TheVileOne]

Is there a reason why Sansa indirectly caused the deaths of around 2,000 men by not informing Jon about the incoming Vale army? I mean, that could have entirely changed Jon's strategy in the battle.

She doesn't trust Jon?

 

[ThePhantasm]

She doesn't trust Jon?

Is she evil? Because she basically sent Jon to his probable death by not telling him.

I mean, if we're supposed to view her as evil, then I have no problem with it. Maybe we are.

 

[TheVileOne]

Is she evil? Because she basically sent Jon to his probable death by not telling him.

I mean, if we're supposed to view her as evil, then I have no problem with it. Maybe we are.

I mean, I guess no one in Game of Thrones is truly good or evil? She's just a product of the world she lives in and she wants to survive.

I mean, case in point, she had to be the one to kill Ramsay. Ramsay was a cruel and awful man, but look at the way Sansa did away with him. She's not the same innocent bird she once was.

For her to do that to Ramsay, is she not just as cruel as he is?

But I mean, she didn't even trust Jon enough to tell him how she got the information about Blackfish retaking Riverrun.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Is there a reason why Sansa indirectly caused the deaths of around 2,000 men by not informing Jon about the incoming Vale army? I mean, that could have entirely changed Jon's strategy in the battle.

Did she know Littlefinger was coming? When did she know?

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

After the Thrones 09: Sansa’s Secret Weapon (HBO)

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[ThePhantasm]

Sansa: "No, Jon, there's no way to save Rickon. He's already as good as dead. Even though I lit a candle to get someone to save me when I was imprisoned, and only escaped because I had help. So yes I did escape but I'm special, its hopeless for our brother. We should just not care about him."

Rickon: "Oh ****, Ramsay's shooting arrows at me. I'd better run in a straight line to put some dist -- ****! I've been shot. If only I had Arya's special mutant healing powers! I'm dead."

Ramsay: "Whew! What luck that fool kid decided to run in a straight line instead of weaving to and fro! Can you imagine if he'd made it back to the enemy lines? The Stark heir would have escaped! Ha ha!"

 

[Matt]

Sansa: "No, Jon, there's no way to save Rickon. He's already as good as dead. Even though I lit a candle to get someone to save me when I was imprisoned, and only escaped because I had help. So yes I did escape but I'm special, its hopeless for our brother. We should just not care about him."

In fairness, she had an inside man. If not for Theon, she would've died. Also, if Brienne simply attempted to rescue her head on, she too would've probably died. It would've been a foolish move on Brienne's part just as it would've been foolish on Jon's part to try to some how rescue Rickon

Rickon: "Oh ****, Ramsay's shooting arrows at me. I'd better run in a straight line to put some dist -- ****! I've been shot. If only I had Arya's special mutant healing powers! I'm dead."

Ramsay: "Whew! What luck that fool kid decided to run in a straight line instead of weaving to and fro! Can you imagine if he'd made it back to the enemy lines? The Stark heir would have escaped! Ha ha!"

Yeah, logically it is a bit silly. From a narrative perspective it was perfectly executed and brutal to watch. The audience knew it was coming, there was an impending sense of dread, then just enough hope, then it was torn away. Is it a bit silly? Sure. But it did what it was supposed to do from a narrative perspective...build tension and give the characters (and through them the audience) an emotional stake in the battle.

I swear, with the way some people act, you'd think that their next complaint is going to be that there are mythical creatures like dragons and zombies. We are watching a television show, a piece of dramatic fiction. I'm not going to fault the writers for taking permissible, fictional leaps of logic in the name of storytelling.

 

[Verick808]

Could be that Sansa wasn't even sure that Littlefinger would come.
Rickon is just a kid who has been on the run since he was a younger kid. He has no training or understanding of battle. Besides there is a good chance that Ramsey could have hit him even if he wasn't running in a straight line.
Still if you didn't have something to complain about you wouldn't be you.