Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - - - - - Part 24

[mr. peasant]

Sansa: "No, Jon, there's no way to save Rickon. He's already as good as dead. Even though I lit a candle to get someone to save me when I was imprisoned, and only escaped because I had help. So yes I did escape but I'm special, its hopeless for our brother. We should just not care about him."

Rickon: "Oh ****, Ramsay's shooting arrows at me. I'd better run in a straight line to put some dist -- ****! I've been shot. If only I had Arya's special mutant healing powers! I'm dead."

Maybe those two points are related.... t:

As for why Sansa not telling Jon about Littlefinger - I suspect she was worried about how Jon would react to the information; seeing as how Littlefinger is pretty much the reason their father is dead. Worst case scenario in that situation would've been Jon straight up refusing the Vale's troops. Likewise, having Jon's forces occupy Ramsay's attention is likely what allowed Littlefinger to sneak an entire army into the North without Ramsay and his allies noticing.

 

[Matt]

Maybe those two points are related.... t:

As for why Sansa not telling Jon about Littlefinger - I suspect she was worried about how Jon would react to the information; seeing as how Littlefinger is pretty much the reason their father is dead. Worst case scenario in that situation would've been Jon straight up refusing the Vale's troops. Likewise, having Jon's forces occupy Ramsay's attention is likely what allowed Littlefinger to sneak an entire army into the North without Ramsay and his allies noticing.

This is the part that confuses me. The only people remaining who really know that are Varys and Cersei. Janos Slynt bragged about being a friend with the Lannisters. He never went around telling people that Baelish is the one who bought him for the Lannisters (and why would he? Everyone ignores Baelish...in Janos's eyes, he was just a guy who cut a check for Cersei, nothing more). The only ones in who witnessed the direct betrayal were Varys and Cersei. Jon has no reason not to trust Baelish.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why do I feel like Arya knows.

 

[Matt]

Why do I feel like Arya knows.

Well, if she does, she can't care that much. Baelish isn't on her list. Betraying her father would definitely land him on there. After all, the Hound is on there for killing a kid Arya barely knew.

 

[mr. peasant]

This is the part that confuses me. The only people remaining who really know that are Varys and Cersei. Janos Slynt bragged about being a friend with the Lannisters. He never went around telling people that Baelish is the one who bought him for the Lannisters (and why would he? Everyone ignores Baelish...in Janos's eyes, he was just a guy who cut a check for Cersei, nothing more). The only ones in who witnessed the direct betrayal were Varys and Cersei. Jon has no reason not to trust Baelish.

Either way, he's someone who's publicly acknowledged to have close ties to the Lannisters and King's Landing in general; being their former Master of Coin and having reaped significant rewards (e.g. Lordship of Harrenhall) during their rule.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I never understood the point of Arya putting Ser Illyn and the Hound on her list. They were just carrying out their jobs to be honest.

 

[TJByrum]

I never understood the point of Arya putting Ser Illyn and the Hound on her list. They were just carrying out their jobs to be honest.

One killed her dad, one killed her friend. Her dad did nothing wrong, and the friend did nothing wrong. That pisses her off. Plus she's young, and psychotic; she just wants blind vengeance.

Or she thinks she does; remembered, she didn't kill the Hound even when he wanted her too.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I wonder if we'll see Lord Karstark again. He just sort of disappeared...

 

[Ms. Marvel]

One killed her dad, one killed her friend. Her dad did nothing wrong, and the friend did nothing wrong. That pisses her off. Plus she's young, and psychotic; she just wants blind vengeance.

Or she thinks she does; remembered, she didn't kill the Hound even when he wanted her too.

Which she should take some responsibility for since she inadvertently put him in that situation by attacking Joff. But then again she's a kid she probably doesn't see that.

 

[Victarion]

I wonder if we'll see Lord Karstark again. He just sort of disappeared...

I wish he'd died instead of Umber.

 

[Reek]

http://observer.com/2016/06/game-of-thrones-update-this-was-not-in-fact-jon-snow/

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That is pretty good.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I wish he'd died instead of Umber.

He probably had his way with Rickon. He's the Michael Jackson of the North

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Who is the Michael Jackson of the south?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Hmmm...Meryn Trant

 

[Reek]

too old

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, that was a little too obvious. Should have thought of that.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

So did Ser Meryn in the tv show essentially take the place of Raff the sweetling? I remember one of the guards being disgusted with Raff for going for a child (Arya) in the WoW excerpt.

 

[godisawesome]

I think that's been largely confirmed.

Has anybody done a full run-down of the Seven Kingdoms to try and predict stuff yet? Because the way I see it, including possible spoiler factions, we've got two rough alliances, with the Westerlands as possibly the only faction with any power left out in the cold.

Baelish Alliance: The Vale (Baelish is Lord Protectector), The North (he just saved their butts), the Riverlands (he's the nominal Lord Paramount and they still sympathize with the North of the Freys are gone).

The other alliance:

Spoiler

Reformed Targaryen Loyalists for Dany headed by Varys and Tynion: Dorne (Varys is supposed to make a deal next episode), the Reach (same deal)

The Stormlords are pretty much smashed and subject to the Crownlands, so it seems like they're probably just going to go with the flow.

The Westerlands can still mount an invading army into the Riverlands even without their cash, and seem the farthest away from any invading army from Essos. Maybe Jaime's duty later will be to bring the Westrlands into the eventual Army of the Dawn by dealing with Mad Cersei?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Tyrion seemed uncharacteristically butt hurt over Theon being mean to him. I thought he generally didn't give a **** about people trying to hurt him unless it's family trying to do it. Wear what you are Jon Snow and no one can hurt you and all that.

I watched that season 1 episode again....D&D have no memory at all. The scene between Theon and Tyrion actually starts with Tyrion mocking Theon about the events that led to him being a hostage and basically insulting his family and his place within Winterfell. So yeah, in hindsight Tyrion's a bit of a ****

 

[Reek]

he treated theon how the lannisters would treat a greyjoy... not sure what they were playing at with theon/yara/dany/tyrion... in more ways than one...

WHAT THE **** IS THEON EVEN DOING THERE!!! GODDAMMIT!!!! As Sansa gets to watch the death Theon should be watching.

 

[Victarion]

Waiting for Kinvara to give his nub the Moqorro treatment.

 

[TheFuture]

I watched that season 1 episode again....D&D have no memory at all. The scene between Theon and Tyrion actually starts with Tyrion mocking Theon about the events that led to him being a hostage and basically insulting his family and his place within Winterfell. So yeah, in hindsight Tyrion's a bit of a ****

Aye, Tyrion was having a pop at everyone while at Winterfell, from Jon to Joffrey. His more care free days I suppose.

 

[TheFuture]

Waiting for Kinvara to give his nub the Moqorro treatment.

Haha that would be brilliant, wouldn't put it past them. Throw in a "bad poosey" type line for further effect.

 

[Charlatan]

I think that's been largely confirmed.

Has anybody done a full run-down of the Seven Kingdoms to try and predict stuff yet? Because the way I see it, including possible spoiler factions, we've got two rough alliances, with the Westerlands as possibly the only faction with any power left out in the cold.

Baelish Alliance: The Vale (Baelish is Lord Protectector), The North (he just saved their butts), the Riverlands (he's the nominal Lord Paramount and they still sympathize with the North of the Freys are gone).

The other alliance:

Spoiler

Reformed Targaryen Loyalists for Dany headed by Varys and Tynion: Dorne (Varys is supposed to make a deal next episode), the Reach (same deal)

The Stormlords are pretty much smashed and subject to the Crownlands, so it seems like they're probably just going to go with the flow.

The Westerlands can still mount an invading army into the Riverlands even without their cash, and seem the farthest away from any invading army from Essos. Maybe Jaime's duty later will be to bring the Westrlands into the eventual Army of the Dawn by dealing with Mad Cersei?

I see Tyrion playing a huge role in convincing Dany to ally with Jon to fight the White Walkers. He still feels a huge debt to their family is owed by his family. Dany seems open to the idea of giving the Lords of the region some autonomy so long as they abide by certain rules and the Starks certainly seem to fit within her ideology. Jorah told her that he was exiled by Ned for allowing slavers. It's possible he had some correspondence with his dad and knows of Jon and some of the goings on north of the Wall.