Game of Thrones General (Non-Book Related) Discussion Thread - Part 1

[kane9321]

No, I think that would make things worse. They think Jon Snow is a Stark in all but name, but when they found out they made a TARGARYEN King in the North, they'd have more than buyer's remorse... especially since this King in the North surrendered his crown to... another Targaryen. All the innuendo and whispers about Jon betraying them for "love" would only grow since everyone knows about the Targaryen's need for incest. They'd consider him an imposter who pretended to be a Stark to betray them all.

My guess is that is how it will exactly play out too in the fourth episode or so, and it will be up to Sansa to smooth things over, which will be how Jon and Sansa's friction will finally be resolved. Daenerys, of course, will be the much bigger problem.

cool breakdown..but remember..HE'S STILL A STARK by blood

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

where the fcuk is howland reed?

We were talking about that here the other night. Some think he may be lurking at Winterfell with the other lords, I think he's probably still guarding the southern gate to the North at his stronghold of Greywater Watch in The Neck. Reed's warriors, the Crannogmen, are guerrilla fighters who operate in the swamps, not as conventional troops that would march to Winterfell.

Meera told Bran that she was going to be with her family there when the Dead arrive. I think it's likely Winterfell falls, they will use the secret tunnel to escape, and retreat south for a potential rendezvous with the Reeds.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Eh, I don't agree with those articles because they take a hyper-partisan position that takes genuine critiques and then blows them out of proportion to make sweepingly stupid proclamations, such as "Game of Thrones is a bad show" or "Game of Thrones misses the thematic meaning of the novels."

Whether you are disappointed with it as an adaptation or not, it is very much in keeping with the themes and tones (yes, even if they have mangled Martin's emphasis on consequence of actions in the later seasons) about power, pragmatism, the brutal indifference of politics, and the dread of death and mortality while keeping you invested in the outcome of its varying families, most notably House Stark. And if it was a bad show, not an overrated show or a show that failed to capture the full complexity of Martin, but a bad show, it wouldn't be a series everyone writes thousands of words about, including these folks, as it wins awards and the entire television industry grapples with its own existential crisis because it's ending.

... I think it's a great show. It has gone somewhat downhill, including in the dialogue, but I think it still superb television and I think as a whole it does justice to Martin, even if the books are better. Unlike the books, we will see this show's end, and I can live with separating the two in my head. That is the key difference here, I believe.

Good post. I'll add that GRRM recently said that "...the series has been extremely faithful compared to 97% of all movie and television adaptations of literary properties, but it's not completely faithful, and it can't be, otherwise it will have to run another five seasons."

This was from an interview on CBS and the whole thing as well as additional, untelevised clips can be watched here:

"Game of Thrones": "60 Minutes" goes behind the scenes ahead of season 8 premiere - CBS News

 

[Lencho01]

They hint at it kinda in the books.

Imo they just waited for Maise to age up so it wouldn't be that big a deal

I didn't read all that, but the ages are just funny to see in comparison to the show.

I honesty thought Gendry was meant to be closer to Arya's age but it was just a case of the actor naturally aging faster than his character. So, the age difference is more noticeable.

 

[Havok83]

Seriously. Like when Sansa brings up the question of how they are going to feed all of the armies. Like, seriously? We’ve seen armies traverse the entire countryside season after season and as far as I remember, this question has never been asked, but NOW when there is an unstoppable zombie army coming, you decide to bring this up? I think we could have lived with the ignorance of never knowing the answer to this question. I guarantee you that there wasn’t a single audience member who said to themselves at the beginning of this episode, “Yeah but what are the Unsullied going to eat up north?”

It has been brought up in the past, ironically in Dani's storyline with the Unsullied and D'othraki. Sansa makes a good point though. People are hating on her but she hasnt seen the dead and therefore doesnt have a real concept of how dire this threat is

It was not morally bankrupt to execute the Tarly's. Especially when they were in open rebellion against the true heir to the Throne, serving Cersei, someone with zero claim to the Throne. Theyd just robbed and murdered one of Dany's allies too. And even after she offered them mercy, Ol Piss and Vinegar Tarly spit it back at her. And leaving him alive without him bending the knee was too big a risk. He'd have just been trouble and a potential knife in the back or a cumbersom prisoner to deal with.

Cersei has zero claim to the throne? She's been the queen for about 2 decades and mother to the last 2 kings. All the other legitimate Barotheons are dead

 

[DACrowe]

cool breakdown..but remember..HE'S STILL A STARK by blood

True, but he's going to have to earn their trust. We'll see though.

 

[Marvolo]

It has been brought up in the past, ironically in Dani's storyline with the Unsullied and D'othraki. Sansa makes a good point though. People are hating on her but she hasnt seen the dead and therefore doesnt have a real concept of how dire this threat is


Cersei has zero claim to the throne? She's been the queen for about 2 decades and mother to the last 2 kings. All the other legitimate Barotheons are dead

She has no blood claim to the throne. She is neither a Barotheon or a Targ. Westeros doesnt pass the Throne from a King to his queen. The throne passes to the King's eldest child. Cersei became Queen Regant after Robert's death which left her a glorified caretaker and babysitter. She never had a child with Robert. Also Robert was a usurper who stole the throne which gives Cersei even less claim to the throne. Take your pick.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well, not “no” claim to the Throne. If Aerys ilk all died he’d be the next in line via his grandmother Rhaelle Targaryen.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I think deepwood motte gets destroyed in episode 2

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Funny how Sansa & Co are never happy with the armies that Jon brings to save the North/Winterfel.
Someone should tell these Lords and Ladies that army doesn't grow on trees

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Any thoughts on how Arya's new weapon will work?

Looks to me likeca hand held weapon with a detachable head. Something for her to utilize her obvious skills with a sword against the Walkers. Each time she thrusts into one the head of dragonglass embeds into her opponent. Then from like a belt or satchel she'll put a new one in and onto the next enemy. Sort of a short spear or lance with a dragonglass head that can come off. I kinda doubt it's for throwing or launching. Arya's been shown to use a bow but it is obvious her greatest skill is with a handheld weapon like a blade. As dragonglass is to brittle to make a full on sword with I think this is her attempt to come up with a weapon that suits her abilities and be effective in capitalizing on the Walkers' weakness.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

She has no blood claim to the throne. She is neither a Barotheon or a Targ. Westeros doesnt pass the Throne from a King to his queen. The throne passes to the King's eldest child. Cersei became Queen Regant after Robert's death which left her a glorified caretaker and babysitter. She never had a child with Robert. Also Robert was a usurper who stole the throne which gives Cersei even less claim to the throne. Take your pick.

Well, that's not strictly true. They did have a son together, "a little black-haired beauty", who allegedly died in infancy from a fever. This was an intentional change made from the books and forms the basis of the R+C=G theory.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

A Whole New World of Ice and Fire

 

[James.B]

 

[shadowboxxx]

You guys think Jaime will be upfront about Cersei's betrayal right away?

Somehow Im still not sure Jaime is all the way on Team Good Guys just yet.

 

[MaceB]

You guys think Jaime will be upfront about Cersei's betrayal right away?

Somehow Im still not sure Jaime is all the way on Team Good Guys just yet.

That's a very good question. I'd like say yes. Maybe he has a one-on-one with Bran that gives him some clarity? I'm gonna vote yes - Jaime is done with Cersei and no longer loyal to House Lannister. We'll see.

 

[warhorse78]

Eh, I took it as a friend/brother type of thing since they were so young and Arya was pretty tomboyish compared to someone like Sansa, who was initially deadest on some fantasy of what love truly entails.

EDIT: I haven't read the books, but I will add that it's my understanding they aged up some of the characters for this show and the books allow you to know the thoughts of the characters.

Also, they don't exactly give us a concrete idea of what year the events of the show take place or how much time has passed for these people to develop such feelings for one another.

LOL. I was a tomboy when I was her age, and trust me, we notice guys that are cute. We may not like dresses and playing with dolls, but we have crushes all the same. And age has nothing to do with it. Especially girls. I remember having crushes as young as 6, but we just aren't mature or aware enough to truly understand what it means. But Arya was probably 12 when she was around Gendry, and it's perfectly fine for her to like someone like him.

 

[warhorse78]

I just checked and the last time Ghost made an appearance was in the third episode of season six, right after Jon was resurrected. He was supposed to have a scene with Jon last season (which was written and filmed) but it was cut for some reason. He better not be excluded from the upcoming battle!

I feel like a lot of scenes have been filmed, but cut. I won't be surprised they are doing this on purpose so in about 5 years from now, they can release the Extended Editions! Either that, or they plan on using those scenes in the spin offs.

 

[Havok83]

She has no blood claim to the throne. She is neither a Barotheon or a Targ. Westeros doesnt pass the Throne from a King to his queen. The throne passes to the King's eldest child. Cersei became Queen Regant after Robert's death which left her a glorified caretaker and babysitter. She never had a child with Robert. Also Robert was a usurper who stole the throne which gives Cersei even less claim to the throne. Take your pick.

She had three kids by Robert. That is what is legally recognized in Westeros. All kids are dead. Robert's brothers are dead and they have no living kids. The throne falls on her

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I feel like a lot of scenes have been filmed, but cut. I won't be surprised they are doing this on purpose so in about 5 years from now, they can release the Extended Editions! Either that, or they plan on using those scenes in the spin offs.

 

[MaceB]

She had three kids by Robert. That is what is legally recognized in Westeros. All kids are dead. Robert's brothers are dead and they have no living kids. The throne falls on her

I don't think so. Cersei isn't even claiming the throne as a Barantheon. She's claiming it as a Lannister. Look at the tiger sigil all around King's Landing. The throne does not pass to widows as far as I understand it. It'd go to Bobby B's children... and then to his brothers... and after that... to his cousins, nephews, and distant relations in the Barantheon family.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

You guys think Jaime will be upfront about Cersei's betrayal right away?

Somehow Im still not sure Jaime is all the way on Team Good Guys just yet.

I don't see how he profits from being untruthful about that. As seen last episode he's gonna have enough problems with the truth of what he did the last time he was up North. And if he did start hemming and hawing about supoort from the South Bran is there to tell fact from fiction.

If anything I think it's possible he will tell them about Cersei not sending men and then those mercs from across the ocean, the Iron Born and the Lanister troops will show up. He'll at first be at a loss and then he'll suss out that they are there to turn on the allied Houses there. They will be caught by the Walkers going South towards the Stark held territories and the forces of Cersei cutting them off from retreat.

At least that's what I'm thinking right now.

 

[Lencho01]

LOL. I was a tomboy when I was her age, and trust me, we notice guys that are cute. We may not like dresses and playing with dolls, but we have crushes all the same. And age has nothing to do with it. Especially girls. I remember having crushes as young as 6, but we just aren't mature or aware enough to truly understand what it means. But Arya was probably 12 when she was around Gendry, and it's perfectly fine for her to like someone like him.

My point wasn't that because she was a tomboy, that she didn't have any interest in boys. It just wasn't a focus for her like someone such as Sansa at the time.

The way they played the Arya and Gendry relationship was with more of a friend/sibling vibe than romantic love one.

 

[MaceB]

The way they played the Arya and Gendry relationship was with more of a friend/sibling vibe than romantic love one.

Not really, when she said "I could be your family," it was pretty clear that she had a romantic interest in him.

 

[Lencho01]

Not really, when she said "I could be your family," it was pretty clear that she had a romantic interest in him.

You could take it either way.