Game of Thrones General (Non-Book Related) Discussion Thread - Part 1

[TheVileOne]

While drop is noticeable after s4, s6 remains my personal favorite. Going off books gave us sansa/ramsay travesty, but also hardhome. Idk, im pretty happy all things considered.

Yeah just an argument. If you liked it fine, good on ya.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Regarding The Witcher I'm more afraid it will be generally mediocre rather than outright bad and "woke" at expense of everything. At least GoT had excellent early seasons. But last two - writing is so stiff it's killing all my love and hype. Despite incredible production and actors work.

What gives me hope Netflix has better writers than the dudes that run GoT without GRRM material.

 

[Marvolo]

All they had to do was follow the bread crumbs that they themselves put out. While a crazy plot twist in the middle of a series can increase the risks, a plot twist at the end of a series can be underwhelming, polluting everything before it. Like.. I'm slightly going...'I wasted 3 years of my life on this?" I'm a Jon fan. They led me to believe this was Jon's moment. Am I supposed to be happy that they fooled me?

I doubt I'll ever watch this episode again and I'll probably skip the scenes related to the Walkers if I ever do a rewatch of the show. Hell, I probably wont even buy this final season on bluray unless these final 3 episodes are amazing or there is some twist and the NK returns.

 

[Greens]

Couldn't see **** for most of the episode and Sam didn't die.

Nuff said.

 

[Marvolo]

Just thinking about how much time was spent last season on Jon trying to ally with Dany and get the dragon glass and kidnap a wight and go to Cersei to convince her to help fight this "Great War" is laughable. So much time for so littleAnd hearing Dany in the episode 4 preview saying "We won the Great War!" Umm, what "Great War"? It wasnt a war. It lasted a day and ended with a 5 foot teenager ghosting the NK like a Call of Duty noob.

I'm curious to see how Cersei reacts. Jon and Dany made this big to-do in front of Cersei about this world ending crisis and called it the Great War but from Cersei's perspective it must seem like a whole lot of nothing. She only saw one wight. Theres no evidence there was even White Walkers. Let alone 100,000 wights. Cersei isnt going to go see Winterfell anytime soon. And now Dany and Jon and the North are apparently well enough to besiege King's Landing.

Couldn't see **** for most of the episode and Sam didn't die.

Nuff said.

I'm pretty sure Sam spent most of the battle on the ground crying.

 

[Greens]

I'm pretty sure Sam spent most of the battle on the ground crying.

There were multiple instances of main characters getting overrun by wights, but then a minute later they're fine again. The plot armor was thick this episode.

 

[Breogan]

So did Bran know it would pan this way

Spoiler

hence him giving Arya the dagger?

Jon was underwhelming in this battle. And what was he doing screaming at Viserion?

Although they didn't show it, pretty much I'll have to rewrite and redirect this episode in my head so yes Jon knows (as planed by Bran giving her the knife) that it's Aria who has to come in for the killing move, and the King expecting Snow will be the misdirect telegraphed by Bran, hence the yelling is Snow (actually being useful) intentionally distracting the Dragon, so she can sneak past.
It's the only way to make this Night King's end (and 8 season Jon Snow character build up to it) satisfyingly make sense.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

The amount of scrutiny and nitpicking with this show isnt something that surprises me. It almost always happens when something is popular and goes on for a few years.
Im just shocked most are turning a blind eye when marvel pulls the same out-of-the-blue maneuvers.

It's annoying as hell... but I'm adding alot of peoope to ignore list. So much crying in this thread from hate watchers

 

[Elayis]

Them GoT runners put on their best RJohnson hats. The fans wanted this or that?! Nah, we're going to do the opposite. lol

Some may disagree with what Johnson did with certain characters, but they at least had proper arcs that made sense. There's nothing about this episode that felt earned or logical. There was a reason behind the decisions RJ made in TLJ. He took the most obvious story beats fans would expect and flipped them on their head, not for the sake of it but to make you think. D&D don't care about character growth and progression, only what they think will be most shocking and the most meme-worthy.

 

[Elayis]

The only shocking thing about this episode was that I didn't see D&D dropping the ball so completely. I knew they were going to half-ass the Army of the Dead so they could focus on their pet character (Cersei), I just didn't foresee the entirety of the White Walker threat being this underwhelming. I'd be hard pressed to come up with a more unsatisfying culmination to eight seasons worth of buildup. Why even open the first episode with the White Walkers when their story ends like this?

On top of that, this was one of the least functional large scale battles I've ever watched. It wasn't so much that it was under-lit, but that the quick cuts were so choppy it didn't linger on any shot long enough to see what was happening. The most important thing in a sequence like this with so many characters is geography, so that the viewer understands where everyone is, where they're going and what they're trying to accomplish. None of that was clear or comprehensible. Even Michael Bay crafts more enjoyable and emotionally stirring set pieces. All that money and time the show runners had at their disposal, and somehow it ended up being the worst in the show's history.

 

[Boom]

Slept on it. Still annoyed.

Spoiler

It just feels like eight seasons and nine years' worth of build-up was rendered completely pointless. This is going to all but kill the Jon Snow/Night's Watch stuff for me on future re-watches - knowing that the Night King/Army of the Dead arc ultimately leads nowhere.

And am I to believe that the Lord of Light brought Jon Snow back to life just so he could sit on a chair? Wut?

 

[harlequinade]

The only shocking thing about this episode was that I didn't see D&D dropping the ball so completely. I knew they were going to half-ass the Army of the Dead so they could focus on their pet character (Cersei), I just didn't foresee the entirety of the White Walker threat being this underwhelming. I'd be hard pressed to come up with a more unsatisfying culmination to eight seasons worth of buildup. Why even open the first episode with the White Walkers when their story ends like this?

On top of that, this was one of the least functional large scale battles I've ever watched. It wasn't so much that it was under-lit, but that the quick cuts were so choppy it didn't linger on any shot long enough to see what was happening. The most important thing in a sequence like this with so many characters is geography, so that the viewer understands where everyone is, where they're going and what they're trying to accomplish. None of that was clear or comprehensible. Even Michael Bay crafts more enjoyable and emotionally stirring set pieces. All that money and time the show runners had at their disposal, and somehow it ended up being the worst in the show's history.

I haven't been a fan of this for years but since I started I watch till the end but even I'm shocked here lol There's a difference between a twist which I guess is what they thought they were doing and changing the entire show which is what they have done

I think Lost is the last time something was such a major cop out and yet I think Lost had better written characters than did so at least I wanted to see what happens to them, here not so much

 

[Boom]

Euron will have more screentime as an antagonist than the Night King.

 

[Elayis]

I haven't been a fan of this for years but since I started I watch till the end but even I'm shocked here lol There's a difference between a twist which I guess is what they thought they were doing and changing the entire show which is what they have done

I think Lost is the last time something was such a major cop out and yet I think Lost had better written characters than did so at least I wanted to see what happens to them, here not so much

LOST may have dropped the ball on certain storylines, but at least they tried to make sense of the choices they made. They characters still felt like themselves in the later seasons, and the writing was still above average compared to other shows.

The show runners of GoT clearly stopped caring after The Red Wedding, which was the entire reason why they wanted to adapt the books in the first place. The success of the show and the increased budget has allowed them to coast on mediocrity for years, and even now most people seem to be satisfied with impressive CGI and fanservice. Only a small portion of the current audience is from the days when GoT was still a character-based political thriller.

 

[harlequinade]

I'm stunned that there are still so many OMG BEST SHOW EVER fans, but this is the episode that might have broke them, I see complaints and usually there aren't many

 

[Boom]

I'll stick it out 'til the end, but this was seriously deflating.

 

[Marvolo]

Slept on it. Still annoyed.

Spoiler

It just feels like eight seasons and nine years' worth of build-up was rendered completely pointless. This is going to all but kill the Jon Snow/Night's Watch stuff for me on future re-watches - knowing that the Night King/Army of the Dead arc ultimately leads nowhere.

And am I to believe that the Lord of Light brought Jon Snow back to life just so he could sit on a chair? Wut?

My thinking is the Lord of Light brought Jon Snow back so Jon could unite the North so that the North could make a stand at Winterfell and kill the Night King. And the Lord of Light probably wanted Jon to bring Dany and her dragons into the fight. Now that the Night King and White Walkers are defeated I dont think the Lord of Light gives a single **** about Jon.

 

[Boom]

My thinking is the Lord of Light brought Jon Snow back so Jon could unite the North so that it could make a stand at Winterfell. Now that the Night King and White Walkers are defeated I dont think the Lord of Light gives a single **** about Jon.

Spoiler

But then shouldn't he die like Melissandre? His purpose has been fulfilled. Night King is dead. Army of the Dead is... well, dead. What's his purpose now?

 

[Marvolo]

Spoiler

But then shouldn't he die like Melissandre? His purpose has been fulfilled. Night King is dead. Army of the Dead is... well, dead. What's his purpose now?

Mel's death seemed more like self termination to me. Like she knew her mission was done and she just wanted to rest so she took her necklace off and whatever magic she was using to keep her alive she switched off. But I guess it could have been the Lord of Light letting her die. As old as she was it was probably a reward to die. She earned it.

Regardless it probably doesnt warrant too much consideration. D&D are just keeping Jon around because they want him in the fight against Cersei. I doubt theyll bother to give any sort of concrete explanation about Jon's role and the Lord of Light's motives.

I wonder what happens to Bran now?

 

[Breogan]

My thinking is the Lord of Light brought Jon Snow back so Jon could unite the North so that the North could make a stand at Winterfell and kill the Night King. And the Lord of Light probably wanted Jon to bring Dany and her dragons into the fight. Now that the Night King and White Walkers are defeated I dont think the Lord of Light gives a single **** about Jon.

Spoiler

But then shouldn't he die like Melissandre? His purpose has been fulfilled. Night King is dead. Army of the Dead is... well, dead. What's his purpose now?

What's his purpose now?

Your mistake was assuming Jon had purpose.
Millennial writing for internet approval 101;
Step 1. set up heroes quest,
step 2. boys are lame ....little girls are better.
step. 3 Look I subverted!
step 4. Internet approves with itself.
....(but you set up the other character 's purpose too, just flipping it doesn't mean it's good, you failed at telling your own satisfying story,)
step 5. Signal virtue: Satisfying? Stop showing your straight white male privilege!

Done.

 

[InCali]

Just thinking about how much time was spent last season on Jon trying to ally with Dany and get the dragon glass and kidnap a wight and go to Cersei to convince her to help fight this "Great War" is laughable. So much time for so littleAnd hearing Dany in the episode 4 preview saying "We won the Great War!" Umm, what "Great War"? It wasnt a war. It lasted a day and ended with a 5 foot teenager ghosting the NK like a Call of Duty noob.

I'm curious to see how Cersei reacts. Jon and Dany made this big to-do in front of Cersei about this world ending crisis and called it the Great War but from Cersei's perspective it must seem like a whole lot of nothing. She only saw one wight. Theres no evidence there was even White Walkers. Let alone 100,000 wights. Cersei isnt going to go see Winterfell anytime soon. And now Dany and Jon and the North are apparently well enough to besiege King's Landing.



I'm pretty sure Sam spent most of the battle on the ground crying.

I doubt I'll ever watch this episode again and I'll probably skip the scenes related to the Walkers if I ever do a rewatch of the show. Hell, I probably wont even buy this final season on bluray unless these final 3 episodes are amazing or there is some twist and the NK returns.

I knew you were going to be pissed off and would have jumped on here earlier, but got caught up in some work stuff last night. It was rather, shall we say, anti-climactic. I liked the battle itself though.

 

[kvz5]

 

[Schlosser85]

Arya be like

 

[Schlosser85]

In all seriousness.....it's pretty anti-climactic that "ohhhh noes, Teh Nite King!!11111" is killed so peremptorily with three episodes left, so we can return to our regularly scheduled programming of entitled people fighting over the throne.

After having it hammered into our heads that "titles don't matter anymore, we all have to join together 'cuz the world's ending and stuff".

 

[Havok83]

I had no problem with Arya being the one to kill off the Night King. The only disappointment this episode was that there werent more deaths of major characters. Theres alot whose arcs seem to be over that lived whom could have been killed

Just thinking about how much time was spent last season on Jon trying to ally with Dany and get the dragon glass and kidnap a wight and go to Cersei to convince her to help fight this "Great War" is laughable. So much time for so littleAnd hearing Dany in the episode 4 preview saying "We won the Great War!" Umm, what "Great War"? It wasnt a war. It lasted a day and ended with a 5 foot teenager ghosting the NK like a Call of Duty noob.

Its been a war for years. Hardhome was one of the battles of this war. The war didnt just begin and end in this episode