Game of Thrones General (Non-Book Related) Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Marvolo]

And no one asked them to only make 5 episodes, I'm sorry. They can't blame it on, 'oh with this much time left, we had to start making hard decisions.' They set themselves up for that. If they didn't have enough time to come to a satisfying conclusion with the Night King... then they should have made more. It was that important.

There are 6 episodes this season.

 

[C. Lee]

My only problem with the episode was it being hard to see. Had no problem with who died or what happened with the NK. They showed several seasons ago what happened to Night Generals and their followers when stuck with dragon glass....so no surprise there.

 

[MaceB]

At the end of the day...If it's not Jon that kills the Night King then it could be anyone for all I care. I would have gotten no more or less satisfaction from Gregor killing the Night King or Grey Worm or Jora or Sam or Sansa or Theon... Would that have been appropriate? Well, Arya is just as random as those others.

I'm sorry - I have a problem with that. People are relating this to the Red Wedding, and basically saying that I'm upset because my theory didn't come true. But there is a big difference between a twist that moves the plot forward in new exciting ways in Act 2 and a twist at the end of Act 3 that reverses all the previous build up. ESB and the Red Wedding are examples of twists done right IMO. TLJ and S8E3 are examples of it being done wrong.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Wait, did Dany really:

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push my mans Jorah into the blade of them snow zombies on purpose? I'm rewatching a few scenes and then I see her push him into one of them. lol

 

[Boom]

Wait, did Dany really:

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push my mans Jorah into the blade of them snow zombies on purpose? I'm rewatching a few scenes and then I see her push him into one of them. lol

It does look that way. As soon as I saw it I was like "Wait WTF."

 

[Kane52630]

I guess I'm in the "minority" because I loved last night's episode. And I had no issues with the darkness, I saw it clearly.

 

[Kane52630]

Ramin did it again.

 

[Marvolo]

Even the music was a disappointment for me. Djawadi threw out the strings drums and chorus from the previous seasons for a weak piano piece.

I wanted more of this:


And less of this:

 

[Marvolo]

Wait, did Dany really:

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push my mans Jorah into the blade of them snow zombies on purpose? I'm rewatching a few scenes and then I see her push him into one of them. lol

I've read this a few times. It's probably just a bad bit of scene choreography that was overlooked during shooting. Or it was the best take they had of the scene and had to use it.

 

[Deck Rickard]

At the end of the day...If it's not Jon that kills the Night King then it could be anyone for all I care. I would have gotten no more or less satisfaction from Gregor killing the Night King or Grey Worm or Jora or Sam or Sansa or Theon... Would that have been appropriate? Well, Arya is just as random as those others.

I'm sorry - I have a problem with that. People are relating this to the Red Wedding, and basically saying that I'm upset because my theory didn't come true. But there is a big difference between a twist that moves the plot forward in new exciting ways in Act 2 and a twist at the end of Act 3 that reverses all the previous build up. ESB and the Red Wedding are examples of twists done right IMO. TLJ and S8E3 are examples of it being done wrong.

Yeah, I agree with most of this except the Last Jedi part; I had issues with that movie but it was more to do with the whole thing being a low speed chase through space.

But yeah, I feel like the show has hoodwinked us for multiple seasons. This is like if Luke was about to square off with Vader in ROTJ and then Leia blasted him with her gun and instead. D&D established fairly well that NK is Jon’s enemy (honestly, that’s about the only real thing they established about him) and the closest we got to a showdown between the two of them was basically a dragon car chase.

 

[kvz5]

Wait, did Dany really:

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push my mans Jorah into the blade of them snow zombies on purpose? I'm rewatching a few scenes and then I see her push him into one of them. lol

Yes, she did. I posted the same thing last night. Girl

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used him as her meat shield.

I've read this a few times. It's probably just a bad bit of scene choreography that was overlooked during shooting. Or it was the best take they had of the scene and had to use it.

Or bad angle maybe. Still (unintentionally) funny though.

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah, I agree with most of this except the Last Jedi part; I had issues with that movie but it was more to do with the whole thing being a low speed chase through space.

But yeah, I feel like the show has hoodwinked us for multiple seasons. This is like if Luke was about to square off with Vader in ROTJ and then Leia blasted him with her gun and instead. D&D established fairly well that NK is Jon’s enemy (honestly, that’s about the only real thing they established about him) and the closest we got to a showdown between the two of them was basically a dragon car chase.

And the Night King running like a ***** from Jon. Dont get me wrong, raising the dead and letting them deal with Jon was the smart play for NK to make. But the showrunners gave him a ****ing gladius sword, and they didnt even let him use it. If they werent going to have him use a weapon they should have just given him a spear or his scythe. Why design a close quarters melee sword for him and have him run from a sword fight? Hell, if the NK is so incredibly vulnerable to V-steel and Dragon Glass why would he ever carry or fight with a gladius sword? Especially with no shield. He'd want to use a spear to keep his enemy and dragon glass and V-steel away from him. So many things don't makes sense on every level.

So everyone


Yes, she did. I posted the same thing last night. Girl

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used him as her meat shield.

Or bad angle maybe. Still (unintentionally) funny though.

Dany takes friend zone to a whole new level.

 

[Flash525]

I don’t think I’m in the minority here, but whilst the episode was great, the whole deal with the NK death was just lame.

I’ve spent the majority of this show waiting for the NK to reach the southern kingdoms and KL, and now, thanks to Arya, we’ll never have that, instead it’ll be an anticlimactic battle between Jon, Danny and Cersei; it’s not as if the north has much of an army left at this point either.

Shame about Jorah the Explorer, Eyepatch and the man without a sausage, especially as I thought Greyworm was a goner, and the whole crypt scene would have been the perfect way to end Varys (he hasn’t been relevant for a while now - barely even had any lines).

Episode 3, whilst enjoyable, has left me a little numb for the final. I really had hoped to see the NK attack the throne.

 

[Marvolo]

I've been doing a lot of *****ing, but I wanna mention some things I liked.

Lyanna Mormont being an absolute boss. I thought she was just being stupid charging that giant, but she got the job done. Good for her, and I hope Jon or some other character mentions her bravery.

Ghost charging into battle beside Jorah and somehow surviving the horde and escaping. I was worried he'd go out like a chump the way Shaggy Dog and Summer did.

The dragon fight in the air was pretty damn cool. I was yelling for Rhaegal to rip Viserion a knew *******. And then Damy came in and knocked the NK off and I cheered.

Mel lighting the Dothraki swords was a cool moment.

I love love love that when the slaughter began in the crypts Varys rounded up the children and took them to a spot to hide. It's a nice callback to Vary's little birds and shows Vary's cares about children beyond their ability to spy for him.

Tyrion and Sansa's moment in the crypts and him kissing her hand and saying without saying that they were ready to die or kill each other if necessary. I think those two would actually make a good couple and technically they are still married. But I dont expect it to last or for them to become anything more than friends.

Jaime and Brienne were brave .

The Unsullied were unbelievably brave and awesome.

The initial wave of dead rolling over the living was legitimately startling and scary.

I liked the library scene, and the Hound going to save Arya.

 

[squeekness]

How could i forget Lyanna Mormont. She went out like a boss. Loved that scene.

She really did. She did her people proud.

 

[MaceB]

I did enjoy Theon's death personally. I don't know what I was hoping for or expecting with Theon. I have grown to like him though. The fact that Bran thanked him, and the fact that his last act would be one of brave sacrifice felt very satisfying to me.

Jorah.... ehhh... the whole thing felt a bit silly I guess. Him trying to protect her from all sides with her basically waving around a stick. I feel sorry for Jorah, sacrificing himself for a women who wouldn't do the same for him. He's had a hard run of it. But something about his death rang a little hollow to me I guess. There was so much going on.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I did enjoy Theon's death personally. I don't know what I was hoping for or expecting with Theon. I have grown to like him though. The fact that Bran thanked him, and the fact that his last act would be one of brave sacrifice felt very satisfying to me.

Jorah.... ehhh... the whole thing felt a bit silly I guess. Him trying to protect her from all sides with her basically waving around a stick. I feel sorry for Jorah, sacrificing himself for a women who wouldn't do the same for him. He's had a hard run of it. But something about his death rang a little hollow to me I guess. There was so much going on.

That's his job though, which he both volunteered for and went through a lot of trouble to get back when he lost it. A king or queen shouldn't sacrifice themselves for a member of their guard, that would contradict the point of having a queensguard.

 

[Iceman]

There were a lot of things I liked in this episode and even the end of the NK makes sense before the end of the show, but I would have rather it happened next episode. I also would have liked to see him defeated in epic combat rather than punk’d. With all those White Walkers about one of them should have been aware enough to save him.

 

[KevTravels]

I kinda wished they had done 10 episodes for season 7 and wrapped up nearly everything and left us 3/4 episodes this season to deliver the final BIG BANG.

 

[KevTravels]

Yall need to upgrade your televisions or calibrate your screens. The lighting is fine.

Don't know about that. I kept wondering if it was the laptop or just the episode's lighting; but it was dark.

 

[KevTravels]

I'd love for the

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Great Other to resurrect the NK or for the death of the NK to cause some apocalypse. But I fear this is just D&D being their usual selves. The show is called Game of Thrones so they probably wanted the series to end with the mains fighting for the throne rather than fighting the NK.

That's quite annoying considering the NK was the OMEGA threat. I wish we had seen the characters lose this one and somehow episode 5 defeat him and then episode 6 face Cersei. 1 episode wasn't enough.

 

[squeekness]

Don't know about that. I kept wondering if it was the laptop or just the episode's lighting; but it was dark.

It was dark for a lot of people, I've had co-workers here complaining about it as well.

 

[DACrowe]

Wow, I had no idea so much of fandom was angry with this until I came here.

I for one loved last night's episode! Not all of it--particularly the dumb writing where they send the entire Dothraki into an unwinnable charge and act shocked they're totally obliterated--but in general it was top-notch entertainment. And, ahem, unlike some endgames, it featured breathless suspense and kept me on the edge of my seat.

Here's the thing with the White Walkers: We always knew they were going to win. The brilliance of this episode is that for most people (pretty much everyone I haven't met in this thread) were tricked into being on the edge of their seat into thinking it was hopeless, the heroes were doomed. It was game over and everyone was going to die. Of course that was never going to be the actual ending, so by default we know that somehow the heroes will win, even if subconsciously. The success of the episode is that it is so intense by focusing on the quiet, the dark, the gloom of death, that many viewers at least seems to give in to the despair it invites. And then a character no one expected to kill the Night King doing it coming off as some kind of miracle.

Now I think you could have built up to this episode more. You could've done a whole episode about the fall of the Wall, even have Jon and Daenerys there and have them see the wrath of Viserion with their own eyes as the Wall tumbles, perhaps realizing they cannot fight the Night King head to head on dragons because he brings a debilitating storm. Besides cost restrictions though, I also see why they just made this one episode and kept the rest of the focus on the characters.

At the end of the day, Game of Thrones is a human drama. That is its appeal as a fantasy series, so it must always end as a human conflict between the living. If the White Walkers are a force of nature, there is always a new world to be built after the hurricane or earthquake, or devastation of your choice. That still leaves Daenerys, Cersei, and Jon Snow. And unlike victory over the Night King, there isn't a clear obvious resolution to the coming conflict. It could be any of them (well, not Cersei), it also could be none of them. Political machinations could tear alliances asunder that were inconsequential while fighting the Night King.

I'm honestly shocked so many thought the White Walkers were making it to the finale. I mean, you could've flipped it and had them arrived in the fifth episode, but then whoever was left at that point obviously would win because... spoiler... the White Walkers always were going to lose. I think other than the Dothraki nonsense they made an effective finale to this conflict.

As for Arya "stealing" Jon's moment... eh, that was the best aspect of it. Prophecies have always been wrong on Game of Thrones, and I never felt like Jon had to be the one to kill the Night King. If anything that might've been actually anti-climactic because that is exactly what everyone expected. Arya was unexpected but not undeserved. She's been training her whole life to take matters into her own hands and not need to rely on someone else. She also learned stealth in a way Jon and the Westerosi never did. Personally, I think she was lying in wait for the Night King to isolate himself and then pounced. It was thrilling stuff.


Again, I could see them building up to this moment with another battle that the living lose, but it always had to end with someone killing the Night King, I'm a little surprised there is so much soreness over the fact it was Arya and it came after a battle where the Dead decimated the living.

 

[DACrowe]

If the writers continuously use "WE HAVE NO TIME FOR THAT!" then what the hell was up with all those scenes with zombies and the symbols and all that stuff about Bran having a link to NK etc. That was a huge part of the show and that is it?

Bran did have a link with the Night King... the whole ending is built around that as he wants to kill Bran who knows his own past, and he wants to erase the past and all history. The symbols I like remaining a mystery. I guess I was among those that assumed we'd never get an answer to what the White Walkers symbols mean, because they're creepier that way. Kind of like not knowing what the Space Jockey is in Alien versus... well, did you see Prometheus?

 

[antsman41]

Bran did have a link with the Night King... the whole ending is built around that as he wants to kill Bran who knows his own past, and he wants to erase the past and all history. The symbols I like remaining a mystery. I guess I was among those that assumed we'd never get an answer to what the White Walkers symbols mean, because they're creepier that way. Kind of like not knowing what the Space Jockey is in Alien versus... well, did you see Prometheus?

Exactly... the same way fans who complain about getting answers, also then then complain that those answers weren’t what they wanted.

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