Gay DC Superhero

[Spider-Nerd]

I doubt it's anyone as well known as Clark, Bruce, or even Dick but I have no idea who. Either way, a bunch of people are going to be pissed off.

 

[Robin91939]

It's not Billy Batson.

I don't see why not.

I don't think it'll be Bruce, Dick, Tim or Damian. People have been making bigoted "Batman and Robin are gay" jokes forever -- and doing this would only vindicate those jokes. Now, those jokes aren't the problem, being gay isn't a problem....but the Batman/Robin relationship shouldn't be homosexual for many reasons, but the main reason is that it's a paternal/brotherly relationship. Making one of those characters homosexual would raise questions of pedophilia, no matter how old the characters are now. It would pervert the relationship and dynamic of the Dynamic Duo. Something that I don't think DC will do. In my opinion: Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Jason Todd and Damian Wayne are off the table...

-R

 

[Czar Colossus]

actually, i think that marston clearly intended wonder woman to be straight. She lives on an island where almost all of the other members of her society are clearly lesbians or bisexuals meanwhile wonder woman is the one who falls in love and essentially runs off with steve trevor. In wonder woman's very first appearance in all-star comics #8, wonder woman is attracted to men with no true signs of being attracted to women. Also, keep in mind that this version of wonder woman would eventually marry steve trevor in 1983's wonder woman #300 and have a daughter with him.

I feel that what martson intended to create was a reverse situation where homosexuals dominated society while the minority is the heterosexual woman. I think that this was his way to show that women are stronger than men and have created a better society than men.

Another factor to take into account is that asides from greg rucka, no other writer has really put it out there that wonder woman is bisexual. Despite gail simone's comments, she still had wonder woman romantically attached to men (in this case the awful nemesis character). And she has flat out stated that wonder woman has not had a sexual relationship with any themiscryan amazon due to the motherly relationship she has with all amazons on paradise island. Even though phil jimenez viewed wonder woman as a bisexual, he at one point intended to have her lose her virginity to trevor barnes. Despite their views, these writers have essentially done the complete opposite in reinforcing wonder woman's heterosexuality.

exactly!

 

[Thundercrack85]

A Robin actually seems rather probable.

 

[Mystirious]

You see I don't actually have a problem with the idea of Northstar getting married to his boyfriend. They could have a couple of issues about it with the wedding, the engagement, the honeymoon, etc., the whole nine yards.

My problem lies in how Marvel is promoting it. To bring out my inner Nostalgia Critic: "It's ****ing Northstar!" No one gives a damn about Northstar except for diehard Alpha Flight fans. Most people don't even know who Northstar is.

Treat it for what it is, Northstar getting married. Not some stupid annoying promotion that Marvel always does where they hype something up without giving any information on it ("Save the Date" making you speculate who is getting married even though it's blatantly obvious that it's Northstar), don't go off on the View to promote it, and most of all don't go off treating it like it's this:

Or this:

The way Marvel is promoting it is silly I agree but the writer who's writing the actual story is a good one and I loves the characters so I'm still happy that they're getting married

Though DC beat them to it. Scandal Savage married her wives months ago

And I'm just glad that Marvel are featuring same sex marriage in such a positive way. I love that Marvel are trying to be so pro lgbt and I hope we'll be seeing MANY more well written lgbt characters, relationships and marriages from them in the future

I also hope Quesada won't have Northstar sell his marriage to the devil

 

[Czar Colossus]

Wasn't it stated that it's a character that has not been reintroduced yet? If so that lets any Robins, Billy Batson or Jimmy Olsen off the hook.
How about Slam Bradley....is he iconic enough?

 

[Robin91939]

A Robin actually seems rather probable.

I really don't think that DC would risk having the Bruce Wayne/Robin relationship questioned as pedophilia or deviant....

-R

 

[weezerspider]

Is anyone here perturbed at the fact the DC and Marvel use race and homosexuality as a gimmick to sell books? If being gay is like everyone one else then why call attention to the fact just to sell books?
Also...Why do revisionist history and make a known heterosexual character gay?
Just create a new character and make him or her gay and see if it will fly with the public.
They won't...Sadly, because ethnic and gay people are nothing but a controversial selling gimmick to them. IMO

I pretty much agree with this. Just make a new character.

EDIT: Actually, won't this do more harm than good for the political cause behind this? There are plenty of pro-gay rights fan of this soon to be announced character that will probably be pretty upset by this simply because they are changing a character they love. This could cause tension between fellow readers making it appear many of these pro-gay rights fans are not pro-gay rights in the first place(which is ridiculous, its not about that) and being called out on being hypocritical by those who support the move(because we know someone's going to pull that card). It all seems like a big ho-ha that should simply be avoided by creating a new gay character.

 

[Speedball]

I really don't think that DC would risk having the Bruce Wayne/Robin relationship questioned as pedophilia or deviant....

-R

Nor would it.
Make it Tim, He's older now, and maybe he was either in denial about it or unsure.

I dated girls when I was in high school and early college. I didn't come out of the closet till I was 21. The same could be said about Tim.

 

[Robin91939]

Nor would it.
Make it Tim, He's older now, and maybe he was either in denial about it or unsure.

I dated girls when I was in high school and early college. I didn't come out of the closet till I was 21. The same could be said about Tim.

It would though -- to the superficial reader or common person. They don't know that Tim Drake is no longer Robin, or that he is nearly an adult now --

Casual readers will just see the headline "Robin comes out" and let the rest take care of itself, you know? The pictures of gay Batman and Robin will run wild and the "Bruce Wayne took in a gay little boy" concept will run rampant. Turning any of the Robins, Bucky, or Speedy gay is a very tough thing to do -- more-so with Robin because he is just as iconic as his mentor -- and the only sidekick who can say that.

Plus, if it were Tim, honestly, I'd be disappointed. It would definetly make it hard for me to identify with the character who has, for a long time, been my favorite character....and I would not be happy with DC if it were him.

There are other characters I'd wish it'd be instead -- but for each of them, there are a thousand fans as protective of that character as I am of Tim Drake and Robin... They don't deserve to have their hero changed like this either. DC is in a lose/lose position here. No matter what, they will anger fans who have followed the character and alienate their original fans in attempt to make others not feel alienated -- it's a catch 22.

Create new characters with the intent of making them gay, and let it come out naturally through the character. Don't force it on an existing character at the expense of that character's fans.

It's a great gesture and there SHOULD be more gay and minority characters in comics -- but that doesn't mean changing the classic characters to fit those profiles.

-R

 

[Lone]

Come on DC, everyone already knows Batman is lesbian.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

If they actually said some throw away line like that from Bart or Dick, and that was what this was all about, that would be hilarious.

 

[Dangerman]

It would though -- to the superficial reader or common person. They don't know that Tim Drake is no longer Robin, or that he is nearly an adult now --

Casual readers will just see the headline "Robin comes out" and let the rest take care of itself, you know? The pictures of gay Batman and Robin will run wild and the "Bruce Wayne took in a gay little boy" concept will run rampant. Turning any of the Robins, Bucky, or Speedy gay is a very tough thing to do -- more-so with Robin because he is just as iconic as his mentor -- and the only sidekick who can say that.

Plus, if it were Tim, honestly, I'd be disappointed. It would definetly make it hard for me to identify with the character who has, for a long time, been my favorite character....and I would not be happy with DC if it were him.

There are other characters I'd wish it'd be instead -- but for each of them, there are a thousand fans as protective of that character as I am of Tim Drake and Robin... They don't deserve to have their hero changed like this either. DC is in a lose/lose position here. No matter what, they will anger fans who have followed the character and alienate their original fans in attempt to make others not feel alienated -- it's a catch 22.

Create new characters with the intent of making them gay, and let it come out naturally through the character. Don't force it on an existing character at the expense of that character's fans.

It's a great gesture and there SHOULD be more gay and minority characters in comics -- but that doesn't mean changing the classic characters to fit those profiles.

-R

The only reason why they would not make Robin gay is because the headlines would read Robin is gay and 95% of the people will think Dick Grayson. Unless you read comics most people wouldn't even know who a Tim Drake or Damian Wayne is. To the world or general public Dick Grayson will always be Robin.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't see why not.

Because according to Scott Snyder, it's a character that hasn't been introduced yet. Think more along the lines of Wally West, the Elongated Man, Plastic Man, and Ted Kord.

 

[HighFivingMF]

What if it was Plastic Man and The Elongated Man... together?

 

[Micromind]

It is Plastic Man.

 

[Czar Colossus]

Will Woozy Winks be his significant other?!

 

[Colossal Spoons]

It's gonna be Hourman and we're all gonna be disappointed.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The way Marvel is promoting it is silly I agree but the writer who's writing the actual story is a good one and I loves the characters so I'm still happy that they're getting married

If Marvel treated this as a normal thing, there would be absolutely no problem with it IMO.

Though DC beat them to it. Scandal Savage married her wives months ago

Which makes this all the more ridiculous. DC didn't go off making a big deal about Scandal marrying two women. Although, it did sorta of serve the purpose of making the Secret Six come off a bit worse, so maybe that isn't a good example.

And I'm just glad that Marvel are featuring same sex marriage in such a positive way. I love that Marvel are trying to be so pro lgbt and I hope we'll be seeing MANY more well written lgbt characters, relationships and marriages from them in the future

Except it doesn't feel like Marvel or DC are being pro-LGBT, it feels more along the lines of doing a bad job at being relevant to the current times.

I also hope Quesada won't have Northstar sell his marriage to the devil

Pshhh....Quesada only gets rid of marriages that have years of character development behind them. But he sure does love those gimmicky ones.

 

[X Knight]

this just feels like a publicity stunt.......or being controversial for the sake of being controversial........

why not just create a new character who is gay.....

 

[Mystirious]

If Marvel treated this as a normal thing, there would be absolutely no problem with it IMO.

It would be great if same sex marriage and lgbt characters were so common in comic books that stuff like this was totally unremarkable and no big deal

But right now there are so few lgbt characters or relationships in comics that it is kind of a big deal right now

Which makes this all the more ridiculous. DC didn't go off making a big deal about Scandal marrying two women. Although, it did sorta of serve the purpose of making the Secret Six come off a bit worse, so maybe that isn't a good example.

It didn't make Scandal or the Six seem worse it was a lovely scene that showed how much she loved them both

Three women who love each other getting married is a wonderful thing. Simone had said it was intended as a romantic moment and she wanted to portray it as positively as possible. Any loving and consensual relationship is always a wonderful thing

And had the series continued she would have continued to portray it in a positive way

The purpose of the scene was to portray same sex marriage and polyamorous marriage as a wonderful natural and lovely thing. Simone has stated that was the purpose of the scene and that she fully supports same sex marriage and marriages between more than two people

Which is one of the main reasons I will always support Gail Simone

I love Scandal, Liana and Knockout together and I hope they come back in the DCU soon. Thats the kind of relationship I want to read about

Except it doesn't feel like Marvel or DC are being pro-LGBT, it feels more along the lines of doing a bad job at being relevant to the current times.

We'll have to agree to disagree here

As a lesbian comic book fan, seeing lgbt relationships and same sex marriage portrayed in a positive way is something that makes me happy

And it does feel like a pro lgbt statement to me even if it is partly for publicity. It means Marvel want to appeal to lgbt readers and that gets a from me

Pshhh....Quesada only gets rid of marriages that have years of character development behind them. But he sure does love those gimmicky ones.

I'm sure he hates all marriage equally

Because apparently getting married to the person you love sucks all the life and fun out of you

Instead you should stay single and live with your aunt until you're in your late twenties

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I agree with Hippie_Hunter about Northstar. Quesada, please don't promote this like Marvel gives a damn about Northstar. Three X-Men cartoons, five movies, and countless action figures have come and gone with barely a nod to this character, and now they promote his wedding like it's Spider-Man. Over the past three decades since Northstar's creation Marvel could barely be troubled to use the character at all. His connection to the X-Men is tacked on at best, and he (and Kyle) will most likely be ditched when they hire a new Astonishing X-Men writer, because it's pretty clear he has minimal bankability as a character.

If Marvel had any balls they should've at least had Ultimate Colossus marry Ultimate Northstar. At least the general public would've been somewhat aware of Colossus, and I'm sure none would really understand or care whether it was Ultimate or 616. To the public it would be fan favorite C-Lister marrying a D-Lister (or F-Lister) from a C-List team.

Alpha Flight is actually one of my favorite teams. Especially John Byrne's run. I like Northstar, but Marvel gives two sh**s about him and Alpha Flight. Maybe if Marvel did this to promote Alpha Flight they'd still have a book, instead of making it some smug form of self-*********ion where they inform the view about how they're so awesome for doing something independent titles have been doing for years and years without so much as a wink and a nod. Congratulations Marvel, you still handle human sexuality with the maturity of a PG movie, but hey, at least you did what Television, Movies, mainstream literature and flipping Family Guy, South Park AND ARCHIE! beat you to (aiming at pretty much the same demographics) like a decade ago. Do they want their "wow, we're f***ing late to the table" prize now, or can we award it after Quesada drops that stupid smug smile across his face.

 

[Mystirious]

That's true

I mean I'm grateful that Marvel are trying to feature more lgbt characters and relationships and its great that they're supporting same sex marriage

But they still have a LONG way to go in terms of both the number of lgbt characters they feature and the way they're written too

Things have gotten better but occasionally you'll still get some really negative or stereotypical depictions of gay, lesbian or bisexual characters

And there still arent nearly enough good ones

 

[Thundercrack85]

It's funny because the only reason anyone knows about Northstar is because he is gay. Alpha Flight is an obscure title to anyone who isn't an X-Men fan.

Given how often they point it out, you'd think Northstar's mutant power was being gay.

 

[Majik1387]

Marvel has been pretty ahead of the mold in that regard compared to DC, I can name a good amount of lgbt characters from the Marvel 616-verse than I can from DC's. As for upcoming shock value or whatever stories, those are always bad, but it's not like Marvel is reinventing any characters just to market at the lgbt demographic.

And I liked Northstar before I knew he was gay, just so we're clear on that.