Ghost Rider 2 In The Works - Part 2

[TheDragonator]

The directors themselves have already stated a long time ago that this will be PG-13. Like others have said maybe the Blu-ray/ version will include an Unrated Cut but the theatrical will be PG-13. While I would prefer an R rating for pretty much any serious, dark, or violent film I would also say that if the director/directors know what they are doing you can get away with a hell of a lot with a PG-13 rating these days. Take a look at comic adaptations like The Dark Knight and X-Men First Class. I thought those films had pretty dark and violent things in them and First Class even got away with an F bomb...ha.

First Class got away with so much crap. The coin going through the head, especially. IN SLOW MOTION.

Green Hornet said the word s*** 15 freaking times. Plus, they might intend it as a PG-13 movie, but it might get rated as an R.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I friggin' hate that. I might just wait for dvd now. Don't like seeing a cut version of a film in theaters.

They signed on knowing they were shooting a PG-13 movie so I don't see what there is to hate.

First Class got away with so much crap. The coin going through the head, especially. IN SLOW MOTION.

Green Hornet said the word s*** 15 freaking times. Plus, they might intend it as a PG-13 movie, but it might get rated as an R.

No that just isn't how it works. If anything is there that pushes it to an R rating will be cut and mostly like be added into an Unrated version once it hits disc.

 

[NDX]

They signed on knowing they were shooting a PG-13 movie so I don't see what there is to hate.

I hate the process of producing a film and releasing an edited version in theaters. It's the main reason I don't go see most movies I want to see, I know an unrated version will be available on dvd. I'd rather wait and save money.

 

[Snikt]

I hate the process of producing a film and releasing an edited version in theaters. It's the main reason I don't go see most movies I want to see, I know an unrated version will be available on dvd. I'd rather wait and save money.

A lot of times now, the "UNRATED" or "Extended" version isn't much different from the PG-13 version or the regular R version. Just more scenes added.

Much like AVP 2, Ghost Rider, The A-Team. None of the scenes added into the films would've changed the rating.

AVP 2 would've been R no matter what was added; Ghost Rider and The A-Team would've still been rated PG-13.

There are always exceptions, but most of the time, the only way a rating would change is if there's a Director's Cut.

 

[NDX]

It's more I don't want to may $12.50 or more to see an incomplete film when I can own it and watch it without another 100 sweating people for less than $10.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I hate the process of producing a film and releasing an edited version in theaters. It's the main reason I don't go see most movies I want to see, I know an unrated version will be available on dvd. I'd rather wait and save money.

???

But Ghost Rider is fully capable of being a PG-13 character. You're throwing a fit over nothing. If Sony signed on the directors of Crank with the false promise of allowing them to direct an R rated Ghost Rider film and then screwing them over in the editing room and cutting things out to make it PG-13 then I would understand. But the directors signed on knowing they had a PG-13 rating to work with. At least wait until the film is actually completed and reviews start rolling in before you start crying about it being half-assed.

 

[NDX]

Who's throwing a fit? I'm stating what I don't like. And I don't like that practice. It has nothing to do with the film being undercut by who or what reason, I just don't like having films released in theaters one way and then added stuff for the dvd. Makes me feel like I'm wasting my money. And I don't have that money to waste to see the movie 1 way in theaters and then get a different film, if only for and extra minute, on dvd later on. I'd rather wait.

It has nothing to do with PG-13. I never mentioned that. I was fine with the first film being PG-13. I'm fine with this being PG-13. I just want to see the whole film in theaters if I were to go see it for what I'm paying. But knowing there will be an "unrated" or "extended" edition on dvd, forget that.

 

[S. Grundy]

First Class got away with so much crap. The coin going through the head, especially. IN SLOW MOTION.

Green Hornet said the word s*** 15 freaking times. Plus, they might intend it as a PG-13 movie, but it might get rated as an R.

Not to mention Captain America got away with tossing a person into a propeller.

 

[CelticPredator]

^ That. TDK is a childs film compared to Captain America. TDK is not violent in anyway.

 

[CelticPredator]

First Class got away with so much crap. The coin going through the head, especially. IN SLOW MOTION.

Green Hornet said the word s*** 15 freaking times. Plus, they might intend it as a PG-13 movie, but it might get rated as an R.

You can say **** 10000 times in a PG-13 film, it doesnt matter. They have to say **** more then once, or **** in a sexual context.

But very few films can get away with two or 3 ****s.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Who's throwing a fit? I'm stating what I don't like. And I don't like that practice. It has nothing to do with the film being undercut by who or what reason, I just don't like having films released in theaters one way and then added stuff for the dvd. Makes me feel like I'm wasting my money. And I don't have that money to waste to see the movie 1 way in theaters and then get a different film, if only for and extra minute, on dvd later on. I'd rather wait.

It has nothing to do with PG-13. I never mentioned that. I was fine with the first film being PG-13. I'm fine with this being PG-13. I just want to see the whole film in theaters if I were to go see it for what I'm paying. But knowing there will be an "unrated" or "extended" edition on dvd, forget that.

Nobody said that an Unrated cut on disc is a definite thing. I simply said this. THE CUT BEING RELEASED IN THEATERS IS GOING TO BE PG-13. Plain and simple. I was just saying to the people still holding out some pointless hope of it being rated R the closet thing to that POSSIBLY happening is an Unrated version on disc.

And just from my own personal experience and opinion...to be quite honest the theatrical versions are usually the best versions anyways. It is only in those few rare cases where a studio butchers a directors vision in the editing room where extended or directors cuts matter at all. Most of the time it is fluff that isn't necessary to the overall film or just drags out a scene longer than it has to be.

TDK is not violent in anyway.

You are insane. TDK is violent as hell. Nolan is just such a genius that he was able to shoot the violence in a way where WB could still get a PG-13 rating. Just thinking of one scene off the top of my head...when the Joker blasts a cop right in the face with a shotgun.

 

[The Morningstar]

"TDK is so violent but Nolan is such a genius bla bla bla!"

Lol do me a favour. TDK isn't violent. The fact that the camera cuts away whenever there is a death means it isn't violent. The shotgun incident, or the part with Gambol (which was actually stupid, people don't die silently from getting stabbed in the face).

Captain America was more violent than TDK.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

"TDK is so violent but Nolan is such a genius bla bla bla!"

Lol do me a favour. TDK isn't violent. The fact that the camera cuts away whenever there is a death means it isn't violent. The shotgun incident, or the part with Gambol (which was actually stupid, people don't die silently from getting stabbed in the face).

Captain America was more violent than TDK.

Oh god why don't YOU please do me a favor and stop acting like a *****e. I wasn't comparing TDK to other films that are violent. I was simply saying within the confines of a PG-13 rating TDK is pretty damn violent and it is a skill to push the PG-13 rating to the limit like that. The body count in TDK is HIGH for a PG-13 movie. And you assumed Gamble was stabbed in the face but considering it isn't actually shown what makes you think the Joker didn't just slit his throat?

P.S. I haven't seen Captain America yet.

 

[CelticPredator]

But it isnt...you're suggesting that off screen violence is far more violent then actual on screen violence...which is just...not true.

Aside from Two-Face's face, the film is bloodless. It's dark. But not violent. It didnt push anything. It didnt change anything.

Captain America...every single time a human being is shot, BLOOD ERUPTS. Every single time. James Bond movies dont even do that. THAT movie pushed the bounderies far more then TDK did.

Joker cutting someone's face off screen might be more effective...but watching Cap throw a HUMAN BEING INTO A SPINNING FAN, and NOT cutting away is far more violent and grisly.

 

[The Morningstar]

All i'm saying is it doesn't take a genius to cut away from the "money shot". Stephen Sommers used to do it in the Mummy films. But when Nolan does it I guess we should all get down on our knees.

And even if Gambol did get his throat slit (even though Joker was talking about putting a smile on his face) he shouldn't just slump to the floor in silence. I thought that was a horrible compromise just to get a PG-13 rating there. Same as when the bus driver got shot at point blank range by a fully auto machine pistol in the bank heist scene. A spray of... grey smoke? lol

Captain America had people getting shot up with proper blood squibs, a guy getting splattered by a plane propeller, people getting disintegrated and set on fire. Amongst other things.

Point is, I don't care about loads of gore for gores sake. But when it seems something has been blatantly compromised to fit the PG-13 rating, it takes me out of the movie.

And Captain America, not TDK, pushed the limits of PG-13. Seeing a guy get completely splattered by a propeller was genuinely shocking. It was like "holy ****, is this PG-13?!?"

 

[CelticPredator]

We said the samething. So weiirrrddd...haha. :hehe

There was another flick this year that REALLY pushed the PG-13 limit...Cowboys and Aliens I think...(dispite being boring as hell...) but still. Had good violence in it.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

This is turning into some dumb freakish Marvel vs. DC when I was simply making the point that you can get away with alot with PG-13 which it sounds like you guys pretty much agree with me so don't see why you are being such *****. Plus like I said I have never even seen Captain America and I would also assume that the rating people are more lenient to wartime violence compared to street violence.

 

[Still Wynning]

Found the full track used in the trailer. It's "The Wolf" by Hi-Finesse.

And it's awesome. t:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P__W2lBGVVM
[YT]P__W2lBGVVM[/YT]

 

[The Morningstar]

It's not a Marvel vs DC thing. I despise the Marvel vs DC thing. Showing loyalty to a certain company who doesn't actually give a **** about you is the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

But it kinda irks me when people say TDK pushed the limits of PG-13 or that Nolan is a genius just because he implies violence by cutting away from the "money shot".

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

It's not a Marvel vs DC thing. I despise the Marvel vs DC thing. Showing loyalty to a certain company who doesn't actually give a **** about you is the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

But it kinda irks me when people say TDK pushed the limits of PG-13 or that Nolan is a genius just because he implies violence by cutting away from the "money shot".

I am not acting like TDK is the shining perfect example of a PG-13 film pushing limits. I was just citing it as an example of how far a PG-13 comic book film can go like First Class did as well. My personal opinion is that TDK had a huge bodycount and was pretty violent and dark for PG-13. You disagree without that and you seem to have a problem with Nolan so let us just leave it at that. Let's stick to the topic now...Ghost Rider.

 

[CelticPredator]

No, he doesn't have a problem with Nolan. And yeah, we're gonna keep goin on this for a little, cuz there is no news.

But the fact is...fact's here man, stone cold, facts you can see...TDK has death and all that, but very little on screen violence. And that totally worked for the film. Which made people believe there was more violence then there actually was.

Joker shoots the bank teller. White smoke. No blood on his legs.

Schmit shoots the one guy in the beginning. Blood SHOOTS out of his back, and drips onto the HYDRA logo.

Joker cut's Gambol's face OFF screen.

Hanz...or whoever shoot's the poor Doctor in the chest...no cut aways. Actually pretty graphic. Blood oozes.

Joker shoots, shoots, shoots...all cut aways...

Cap shoots, shoots, shoots...blood squibs galore!


Hell, you want to know a movie that pushes the PG-13 rating? Pirates At Worlds End.

In the opening scene, a CHILD gets hung. Few minutes later, a woman get's shot in the head, you see the bullet hole too.

All that on screen stabbing, and graphic dead bodies...

Oh and not to mention the TENTICAL FACE RAPE Damn...that was crazy!

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well CelticPredator just made my ignore list.

Cool find TheWiseGuy487...the trailer music was definitely badass.

 

[Snikt]

I'm trying to remember when it was decided that for some reason, any blood in a film would automatically make it R-rated. I remember when I was younger, there was still blood in a PG-13 movie, just not a lot of it.

Nowadays, it seems producers are saying any blood in film will make it R. So in a way, I was glad to see actual blood splatter when Red Skull and Captain America were shooting people.

I've even heard the gun flash and the sound of the guns will determine if a movie is PG-13 or R

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Found the full track used in the trailer. It's "The Wolf" by Hi-Finesse.

And it's awesome. t:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P__W2lBGVVM
[YT]P__W2lBGVVM[/YT]

Hell yeah

 

[CelticPredator]

Well CelticPredator just made my ignore list.

Cool find TheWiseGuy487...the trailer music was definitely badass.

Well, you just made my baby list. Get over yourself.