Ghost Rider 2 - reboot with Dan Ketch?

[Cain Estrell]

No one says you have to do the background arc. Just stick to the character and his adventures with Ghost Rider. I personally think they were more interesting that JB's b/c Ketch has a family to protect. Remember GR #5? Blackout kills his sister in the hospital and later on he kills Dan himself.

And Vol. 2 didn't fail due to a background story. It failed b/c Marvel insisted on taking the character to hell and back. It was only when Howard Mackie stopped writing the stories that the series took a turn for the worse; Ivan Velez wrote crap stories, I'm sorry.

Creating a Dan Ketch plot will DEFINITELY cause a lot of hard work. He's such a complicated character, & with Velez' run eventually ruining his comic, I doubt Marvel has any more interest in him. Most-likely he'll return in the new series, but only as a supporting character-& stick with it, too! The origins don't have to be changed, but I doubt we'll ever hear from it, again. And no, the very moment "Noble Kale" was created there was no doubt that Vol. 2 was on a steady path of demise. I respect your support for the "descendant arc" Doom, but many veteran fans agree with me that that arc started it all.

Was it really necessary to make such a complicated back-story? Howard Mackie was right when he said that "Marvel was making a big mistake in creating an entirely new character instead of just focusing on the established original",- a.k.a. Johnny Blaze. Look at the result of all this: A divided fan community, a jumbled back-story, and an entirely convoluted plot that only serves to complicate things further!

I just hope Vol. 5 will be able to repair all this damage.....

 

[TwilightPro101]

Creating a Dan Ketch plot will DEFINITELY cause a lot of hard work. He's such a complicated character, & with Velez' run eventually ruining his comic, I doubt Marvel has any more interest in him. Most-likely he'll return in the new series, but only as a supporting character-& stick with it, too! The origins don't have to be changed, but I doubt we'll ever hear from it, again. And no, the very moment "Noble Kale" was created there was no doubt that Vol. 2 was on a steady path of demise. I respect your support for the "descendant arc" Doom, but many veteran fans agree with me that that arc started it all.

Was it really necessary to make such a complicated back-story? Howard Mackie was right when he said that "Marvel was making a big mistake in creating an entirely new character instead of just focusing on the established original",- a.k.a. Johnny Blaze. Look at the result of all this: A divided fan community, a jumbled back-story, and an entirely convoluted plot that only serves to complicate things further!

I just hope Vol. 5 will be able to repair all this damage.....

Here's to that!

 

[thegameq]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebooooooooooooooooooooooot

LOL!!!

I second that. Give this one back to Marvel for a proper reboot. Also, please keep MSJ away from these films. His intentions may be good, but he obviously doesn't have the talent needed for these kinds of films.

 

[DoomRulz]

LOL!!!

I second that. Give this one back to Marvel for a proper reboot. Also, please keep MSJ away from these films. His intentions may be good, but he obviously doesn't have the talent needed for these kinds of films.

I take it you're a fan of GR Vol. 2 as well?

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Reboot,i think this will happen..if a "Sequel" will be made at all.It's all but confirmed from the horrible numbers.

 

[DoomRulz]

Reboot,i think this will happen..if a "Sequel" will be made at all.It's all but confirmed from the horrible numbers.

Well there are talks of a sequel. But no one knows what to expect at this point. Apparently there's the possibility of Nic Cage not returning

 

[-The Rider-]

Reboot,i think this will happen..if a "Sequel" will be made at all.It's all but confirmed from the horrible numbers.

??

What horrible numbers? The film did well at the box office.

 

[-The Rider-]

Well there are talks of a sequel. But no one knows what to expect at this point. Apparently there's the possibility of Nic Cage not returning

Thats true. Cuz I've read somewhere that he doesn't do sequels, and only will when the sript or offer is good enough.

To this day, he hasn't done any if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Actually he has - National Treasure 2.

Nic Cage wanting to do a sequel for Ghost Rider is obvious, but I think he also was dissapointed with the 1st movie's script/screenplay, which is why he made so many changes to it and also why he made the statement that the sequel has to be better than the 1st.

 

[DoomRulz]

Actually he has - National Treasure 2.

Nic Cage wanting to do a sequel for Ghost Rider is obvious, but I think he also was dissapointed with the 1st movie's script/screenplay, which is why he made so many changes to it and also why he made the statement that the sequel has to be better than the 1st.

Yet oddly enough it was those changes that contributed to the downfall of the film.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Thats debateable.

If the movie's 'dark & gritty presence' remained cliche' and uninspired, the movie would have somehow made itself worse. Nic Cage probably realize that movie goers will get bored fast and so he added lots of 'quirkiness' and outrageous behavior (drinking hot coffee out of the pot), etc, to make the movie somehow more appealing.

It had lots of cheap laughs, and the audience laughed or giggled accordingly. Lots of my friends who watched the movie with me enjoyed it for what it was - a simple popcorn flick. $228 million is not a real modest figure either.

Can't help a fan for wanting more though.

 

[DoomRulz]

I'm feeling a reboot for the 2nd film if it does happen...doesn't seem likely that Nic Cage is returning, and critically the first film failed miserably.

But if a reboot does happen, it'll probably be with Johnny Blaze...not a bad thing, but let's hope they get it right this time and do Vol. 1 Blaze.

 

[FlameHead]

I said yes to this poll but, I would rather see Blaze AND Ketch. This is how I'd like this story to evolve.

 

[DoomRulz]

I said yes to this poll but, I would rather see Blaze AND Ketch. This is how I'd like this story to evolve.

Hm...that prolly won't happen unless it's done in the comics first and I'm not even sure if that would work in the movie.

 

[FlameHead]

I suggest reading the Spirits of Vengeance title from the 90's. This WAS Blaze and Ketch.

 

[DoomRulz]

I suggest reading the Spirits of Vengeance title from the 90's. This WAS Blaze and Ketch.

Oh yeah...

 

[FlameHead]

LoL. A lot of people forget that one... though, I personally think it was one of the best of the GR legacy.

 

[DoomRulz]

LoL. A lot of people forget that one... though, I personally think it was one of the best of the GR legacy.

Oh absolutely it is. It contains one of my all-time favourite GR moments and one of the best in general: the first appearance of Vengeance.

Remember SoV #9? The final splash page where he's sitting on his bike, one hand lit up with hellfire..."I have given up my soul to become, VENGEANCE!"

Still get chills everytime I look at it t:

 

[FlameHead]

I hear that. Great shot!

One of the best characters in GR lore came from that series too; Skinner.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Yeah Skinner for sure is one of the best creations Howard Mackie had written. Loved the premise...loved the sacrifice, the tragedy of it all.

It is almost Biblical in scale to think you have to sacrifice your family (like Abraham did his son) for a Demon God and his true family.

What a great pull for a movie? Two characters, Johnny Blaze, sacrificed his soul and life to save his father and those he loved. And Skinner, sacrificed his family to save them from a brutal death at the hands of his brothers and sisters and mother. Both driven insane by their eternal struggle to fight for what they are.

One a Spirit of Vengeance and Retribution, the Other, a Demon Born offspring used as a tool for the world's destruction.

Both of them deadly, both of them having to make a choice whether to sacrifice themselves for their causes.

What a great story premise!

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Can never forget this image of Skinner vs GR:

 

[DoomRulz]

Who drew that?

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Salvador Larroca was the artist. Loved his work!

 

[DoomRulz]

I hear that. Great shot!

Why not a refresher eh?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I cant see them doing Dan Ketch just yet, if we do get a sequel, i think they will want Cage back, he was the main draw of the first movie IMO.