Ghost Rider bumped to Feb of 2007 (Release Date Thread)

[Batman the 6th]

That long? Damn

 

[FlameHead]

An update from MSJ; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188064

-- Is the release date set in stone?

Nope. Sometime in Summer 2006. Which month is up for grabs.

Interesting... our countdown thread could quickley jump from 363 to to 300 or something.

 

[BIGGUN]

interesting indeed.
we all had a feeling that if the opportunity came Sony would push the release date up. MSJ's statement kindve confirms that.
hopefully something will happen and they can move it from Aug to at least July.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I think Ghost Rider could pull off early June.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think you guys need to understand, Ghost Rider is NOT a summer tentpole. And they are not moving it. August is probably the best place for it for the summer.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I think you guys need to understand, Ghost Rider is NOT a summer tentpole. And they are not moving it. August is probably the best place for it for the summer.

Well you see this is the thing. It is going to be finished before Superman Returns and X3 and yet it they are getting much earlier release dates...that is the thing that is bothering me...I don't know why...it just does. They could easily bump it down a month or 2. I personally think they should swap places with X3. And yes I know Marvel might not have the power to do that but that is what I think the best move is.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well you see this is the thing. It is going to be finished before Superman Returns and X3 and yet it they are getting much earlier release dates...that is the thing that is bothering me...I don't know why...it just does. They could easily bump it down a month or 2. I personally think they should swap places with X3. And yes I know Marvel might not have the power to do that but that is what I think the best move is.

They are being produced by 2 different big studios/corp., Marvel or not. Fox wants it out in May. Sony wants Ghost Rider in August.

Its not uncommon practice for a movie to be finished long before its released in theatres. Just gives studios more time for test screenings and making changes .

And Ghost Rider is not high profile enough for an earlier summer release.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

They are being produced by 2 different big studios/corp., Marvel or not. Fox wants it out in May. Sony wants Ghost Rider in August.

Its not uncommon practice for a movie to be finished long before its released in theatres. Just gives studios more time for test screenings and making changes .

And Ghost Rider is not high profile enough for an earlier summer release.

I am thinking of X3 when it comes to swapping dates. I believe Ghost Rider would do fine at either date. But X3...I am sorry to say has a big chance of sucking due to the rushed production. It is probably going to use just as much CGI as Ghost Rider and it is done filming and X3 has just begun it. And like I said...I KNOW Marvel doesn't have control over the release dates...but I am saying...those two films swapping dates would give X3 the amount of time it needs and still keep Ghost Rider on a good schedule.

And Ghost Rider is DEFINITELY high profile enough to be a summer hit movie. The cast, the fact that it is a comic book movie, the amount of exposure I think it is going to get. I think Ghost Rider is a pretty well known character among people...they just don't know exactly who he is or what he is about. That is what is going to draw them to this movie.

 

[TheVileOne]

I am thinking of X3 when it comes to swapping dates. I believe Ghost Rider would do fine at either date. But X3...I am sorry to say has a big chance of sucking due to the rushed production. It is probably going to use just as much CGI as Ghost Rider and it is done filming and X3 has just begun it. And like I said...I KNOW Marvel doesn't have control over the release dates...but I am saying...those two films swapping dates would give X3 the amount of time it needs and still keep Ghost Rider on a good schedule.

Memorial Day is not the date you give a movie like Ghost Rider.

And they are not swapping dates.

And Ghost Rider is DEFINITELY high profile enough to be a summer hit movie. The cast, the fact that it is a comic book movie, the amount of exposure I think it is going to get. I think Ghost Rider is a pretty well known character among people...they just don't know exactly who he is or what he is about. That is what is going to draw them to this movie.

Whatever it is, its NOT a summer tent-pole, and you fanatics need to accept that.

 

[FlameHead]

I don't understand why you have to come in here VileOne and try and tell us hardcore GR fans that it's not a force to reckon with. None of us will ever accept your way of thinking because we are hardcore fans. It's much like how some people reacted to me posting some comments about Ghost Rider in a Superman thread. Those fans cannot accept this is going to be a money maker as much as Superman will. We're the die hards here man.

Having said that, Ghost Rider is gonna kick the ass out of all the comic movies coming out next year.... All the regular movies too!

It's like Avi says in this little report; http://www.ottawasun.com/Showbiz/Movies/2005/08/07/1162605-sun.html

"For the hardcore group, Ghost Rider is probably the most anticipated one," Arad says. "I think once the world gets to meet him, it will extend this community."

And there's always a chance for any movie to move it's date. Always.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't understand why you have to come in here VileOne and try and tell us hardcore GR fans that it's not a force to reckon with. None of us will ever accept your way of thinking because we are hardcore fans. It's much like how some people reacted to me posting some comments about Ghost Rider in a Superman thread. Those fans cannot accept this is going to be a money maker as much as Superman will. We're the die hards here man.

I'm a Ghost Rider fan too, so whatever. I'm also realistic and I'm not going to sugar coat anything.

That you actually claim its going to be as big of a money maker as superman is pretty outlandish.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I'm a Ghost Rider fan too, so whatever. I'm also realistic and I'm not going sugar coat thing.

That you actually claim its going to be as big of a money maker as superman is pretty outlandish.

Ehhh. Who knows honestly? You can make many arguments on how Superman Returns has something good and bad and the same with Ghost Rider. Superman Returns has a tv actor who is literally just coming into the movies playing Superman while Ghost Rider has the A-lister Nic Cage. But Superman is obviously a more popular character so we will see. The box office this year has just been weird. It may be the same next year.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yes, but look at the magic Singer worked with having a new face in Hugh Jackman as one of the leads in X-men.

Singer is also a much more competent and superior filmmaker, storyteller to Mark Steven Johnson.

Nicholas Cage is an A-lister, but he's also been in a lot of turkeys and bombs as well, some which were very big budget and prolific.

You can say whatever you want, the fact is, people here are simply overestimating Ghost Rider purely based off of their attraction to the character and its clouding their judgement. Even people on the Elektra boards were predicting $70-100 million for that movie. The bat-freaks when Begins was announced claimed that it would make more than the first Spider-man.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yes, but look at the magic Singer worked with having a new face in Hugh Jackman as one of the leads in X-men.

Singer is also a much more competent and superior filmmaker, storyteller to Mark Steven Johnson.

Nicholas Cage is an A-lister, but he's also been in a lot of turkeys and bombs as well, some which were very big budget and prolific.

You can say whatever you want, the fact is, people here are simply overestimating Ghost Rider purely based off of their attraction to the character and its clouding their judgement. Even people on the Elektra boards were predicting $70-100 million for that movie. The bat-freaks when Begins was announced claimed that it would make more than the first Spider-man.

Hugh Jackman was already a working actor in films but in Australia. He already had experience with films before X-Men. Routh hasn't. Don't try to somehow make it look like Routh is easily going to carry this movie on his shoulders. It is a lot of pressure for a guy who hasn't been in a film yet. I am sure he is going to do just fine though but Nic Cage is just the superior actor.

And for you to say Cage has been in bombs also is irrelevant. EVERY A-list actor has been in something that can be considered a bomb as a movie. And Cage has known and loved this character LONG before he was even up for this role. Can you say the same about Routh?

Now do I personally think Ghost Rider will beat Superman Returns box office will beat Ghost Rider...yes. But will Ghost Rider's be far off...I don't think so.

I am looking forward to both films and I love both characters. I wish them both success. But I kind of see you have a thing against MSJ so I just have to speak out.

 

[FlameHead]

The fact is, these two movies are not competing for Box office success. Right now, Supes is going to have it's leg done by the time Ghost Rider is even released. They will not be fighting for audiences.

I do find it irratating that you (VileOne) think so lowly of such a great director and storyteller as MSJ. What happened witht he theatrical cut of DD was not his fault. He had very big plans for that movie until the studio got a hold of it and wanted to make it a love story instead of a story about a blind man fighting injustice in both the court room and the streets. If you listened to the commentary on the Directors cut, you cout hear the pain in his words for having to cut the movie the way he did.

Plus, everyone is forgetting about his earlier work, Simon Birch, which was a beautifully crafted piece of work. I personally think he's quite talented at what he does and he's only getting started. Ghost Rider is going to give him that noteriety that he needs. Why? Because he's so freakin' passionate about it.

As for Singer, he indeed is a wonderfully talented man as well. With work like The Usual Suspects and the X-Men franchise, this man has indeed proven himself. But he was not the reason why people went to see the X-men movies. It was because that franchise has more fans than probably any other comic out there. Wolverine alone could (and will) draw people. He is Marvel's cash cow, afterall.

Speakin' of Wolverine, Hugh Jackman has certainly taken the role and ran with it and is definatly doing a great job. Having said that, I don't think he's perfect for the role. I mean, he's a foot taller than the character is supposed to be for one thing. I know, the look of the character means nothing but when a characters personality is heavily evolved from his short brutty nature, it does matter.

But, I digress. This is not a conversation about X-Men. It's about Ghost Rider. In fact, how we progressed into a debate about which will do better in the box office, GR or Supes, I don't know. The fact is, they both have a whole lot going for them and will both respectivly draw people into the theatres... over and over again. I just think it's misinformed (for lack of a better word) to think that Ghost Rider isn't going to do good. It'll break the 100 million dollar mark and go beyond. I have faith in that because the studio has had faith in that with giving it a 100+ million dollar budget... and with a studio who has done fantastic things with the Spider-Man franchise, it's refreshing to know they have faith.

The truth of the matter is, our judgement is not clouded. It's opotomistic. What is clouded is your acceptance in the character, the fantastic cast and the award winning crew who are all working on flaming headed demon... which, by the way, will draw audiences in itself. That image, without even knowing anything about it, will get people in those seats.

Only time will tell...

 

[TheVileOne]

Hugh Jackman was already a working actor in films but in Australia. He already had experience with films before X-Men. Routh hasn't. Don't try to somehow make it look like Routh is easily going to carry this movie on his shoulders. It is a lot of pressure for a guy who hasn't been in a film yet. I am sure he is going to do just fine though but Nic Cage is just the superior actor.

Routh has been in both film and television pre-Superman, so whatever.

And I'm not saying there isn't pressure or that Routh can carry it. I just think Singer has experience in getting great performances out of inexperienced or actors that are newer to cinema.

And for you to say Cage has been in bombs also is irrelevant. EVERY A-list actor has been in something that can be considered a bomb as a movie. And Cage has known and loved this character LONG before he was even up for this role. Can you say the same about Routh?

It just shows, that while Cage brings his star power to the role, he brings both the good and bad with it. And just because he's in the movie, doesn't automatically make it a hit either.

Now do I personally think Ghost Rider will beat Superman Returns box office will beat Ghost Rider...yes. But will Ghost Rider's be far off...I don't think so.

Ok. I don't know what this is based on. Ghost Rider doesn't have near the appeal nor history that Superman does, and that's a fact.

I am looking forward to both films and I love both characters. I wish them both success. But I kind of see you have a thing against MSJ so I just have to speak out.

I don't have anything against Johnson. Against my better judgement I am giving him another shot with this movie to prove himself after Daredevil. Though I'm annoyed with the whole "he's a big fan so he will get it right" perception. It takes a lot more than that I think.

And Singer is without hyperbole a better filmmaker and storyteller than Johnson.

 

[TheVileOne]

The fact is, these two movies are not competing for Box office success. Right now, Supes is going to have it's leg done by the time Ghost Rider is even released. They will not be fighting for audiences.

I do find it irratating that you (VileOne) think so lowly of such a great director and storyteller as MSJ. What happened witht he theatrical cut of DD was not his fault. He had very big plans for that movie until the studio got a hold of it and wanted to make it a love story instead of a story about a blind man fighting injustice in both the court room and the streets. If you listened to the commentary on the Directors cut, you cout hear the pain in his words for having to cut the movie the way he did.

I've seen the director's cut. And I'm not that fond of it either, while I believe it is a substantial improvement. It doesn't really fix what I still think are inherent flaws in the movie.

Plus, everyone is forgetting about his earlier work, Simon Birch, which was a beautifully crafted piece of work. I personally think he's quite talented at what he does and he's only getting started. Ghost Rider is going to give him that noteriety that he needs. Why? Because he's so freakin' passionate about it.

I've seen Simon Birch, and it doesn't give me confidence in his abilities either.

He's got passion, but I still think it takes a lot more than that.

As for Singer, he indeed is a wonderfully talented man as well. With work like The Usual Suspects and the X-Men franchise, this man has indeed proven himself. But he was not the reason why people went to see the X-men movies. It was because that franchise has more fans than probably any other comic out there. Wolverine alone could (and will) draw people. He is Marvel's cash cow, afterall.

No. But he is one of the main reasons the movie turned out good despite 20th Century Fox's meddling (something they do a lot with Marvel comics properties).

But, I digress. This is not a conversation about X-Men. It's about Ghost Rider. In fact, how we progressed into a debate about which will do better in the box office, GR or Supes, I don't know. The fact is, they both have a whole lot going for them and will both respectivly draw people into the theatres... over and over again. I just think it's misinformed (for lack of a better word) to think that Ghost Rider isn't going to do good. It'll break the 100 million dollar mark and go beyond. I have faith in that because the studio has had faith in that with giving it a 100+ million dollar budget... and with a studio who has done fantastic things with the Spider-Man franchise, it's refreshing to know they have faith.

I never said it wouldn't do good. I'm just saying people here are over-estimating it and thinking its in league with Superman and Star Wars is just complete silliness. Also the movie is NOT a summer tentpole either.

The truth of the matter is, our judgement is not clouded. It's opotomistic. What is clouded is your acceptance in the character, the fantastic cast and the award winning crew who are all working on flaming headed demon... which, by the way, will draw audiences in itself. That image, without even knowing anything about it, will get people in those seats.

Hey we'll see. It certainly doesn't get them reading the comics very much though.

 

[blades_shades]

Personally I'd love to see this released in Mid-October about a week or 10 days before Halloween so it'll get a big boost near and just after Halloween. I like the raw footage so far and the "western" tone. Great move. How many comic films do we have to see with glimmering cityscapes with the hero crouched on top of a rooftop gargoyle.

 

[TheVileOne]

The Punisher had a more "western"/non-urban approach to it.

Didn't see too many glimmering cityscapes in Elektra either. Man-thing takes place in the swamps. All these are recent Marvel movies .

 

[TheVileOne]

edit.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Routh has been in both film and television pre-Superman, so whatever.

And I'm not saying there isn't pressure or that Routh can carry it. I just think Singer has experience in getting great performances out of inexperienced or actors that are newer to cinema.



It just shows, that while Cage brings his star power to the role, he brings both the good and bad with it. And just because he's in the movie, doesn't automatically make it a hit either.



Ok. I don't know what this is based on. Ghost Rider doesn't have near the appeal nor history that Superman does, and that's a fact.



I don't have anything against Johnson. Against my better judgement I am giving him another shot with this movie to prove himself after Daredevil. Though I'm annoyed with the whole "he's a big fan so he will get it right" perception. It takes a lot more than that I think.

And Singer is without hyperbole a better filmmaker and storyteller than Johnson.

Routh has been in one very minor role in a film that has only been shown in a Canadian film festival (EDIT: I am just reading that they pulled the film from the festival so the movie has even yet to be shown.)

...please just stop trying to give Routh some kind of experienced background...he is a tv actor period. I am not saying his acting ability is horrid because from what I have seen from him on tv he has what it takes to pull the role off. But don't try to give him film cred...he doesn't have it.

And that thing I said about Ghost Rider making more than Superman Returns was a typo sorry. Reread again and you will see what I really meant.

And this is Mark Steven Johnson's ultimate movie. It DOES matter that he is such a hardcore fan because he will do everything he can to see that the character is portrayed how he should be. This is his movie...his "baby" if you will. So this is the movie that you can pass judgement on MSJ with because this movie is going to be what MSJ is all about.

And whoever you think is better is simply opinion...so don't try to make it fact. I don't like choosing "who is better" when it comes to film and art. But I will say that Bryan Singer is an amazing director and has what it takes to give us an incredible Supes film. And MSJ is going to be the one who gives us a Ghost Rider movie we want. Best of luck to both of them.

 

[FlameHead]

Personally I'd love to see this released in Mid-October about a week or 10 days before Halloween so it'll get a big boost near and just after Halloween. I like the raw footage so far and the "western" tone. Great move. How many comic films do we have to see with glimmering cityscapes with the hero crouched on top of a rooftop gargoyle.

I'm not with you on having it released that late my friend. It's hard enough having to wait until august for this think, let alone October. Plus, it'll still be in theatres by Halloween and hopefully will get a nice boost during that time anyway.

If it's going to be moved, I hope it's moved to an earlier date. The begining of July or something.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yes, they are going to release it between Superman Returns and Pirates Of The Carribbean 2.

Sony is NOT that dumb. They've stated their claim over the August release date and that's around where its going to stay.

 

[FlameHead]

Nothing is set in stone, as MSJ said himself.

All I'm sayin' is that I'd like to see it before August as that's too long a wait for me. Sheesh, the additude with this one...

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Don't worry about Vile, Flamehead. He seems to have some personal problem with MSJ or something else no matter what he says. I have accepted the August 4th release date...and I am hoping for a Halloween dvd release .