Ghostbusters 3 - Part 1

[Chrisbarnes182]

GB came out in '84 and cost $30 million.
RETURN OF THE JEDI came out the year before and cost $32.5 million.

So I guess that was a blockbuster budget for back then.

I see no point in having Oscar in it, but if you did then I guess he's in his early 20's - so I guess that's the right age for the new GBs.

I assume some SNL folks will end up in this one - Hader, Wigg, etc. Are we ready for a female GB?!

I had the idea of having Oscar in more of the Dana Barrett role. Not a ghostbusters but in the middle of all the ghostly goings on.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well if Bill Murray can't sell this movie only one man can.

And his name is Ernie Hudson.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Winston type... Ryan Reynolds (imagine more 'Safe House' mode than sarcastic guy), Jason Statham (see Italian Job), Dwayne Johnson (I'll admit, last guy I'd pick), Jeremy Renner (comedy is a stretch, but he does seem to have a comedic personality), and Channing Tatum (although he seems or looks too young, 21 Jump Street showed his potential in that kind of role).

For some reason, due to being more straight-laced, I'm picturing someone who is more apt to field work due to being stronger than the rest, apprehensive about what's going on, and doesn't know much about the paranormal. Seeing more of an ex-cop or cop or something along similar lines. Basically finding someone who fits into the team along the same way Winston did although not going for the exact.

As for Oscar, although he's younger, I'd say Dylan O' Brien. He seems to be the only young actor I can picture fitting into Ghostbusters mode.

 

[Webhead2006]

I don't see why folks wouldn't want oscar around. Hee could be a good tie to the past. With weaver, and they could take that one rumor that he is actually venkman kid. And we have sotryline of him growing up with the busters and always wanting to be one. That is a good background to go with him. Plus if they went around that idea he could also show/teach other new recuits the ins and out of gb tech and all that. Plus they could have him be the venkman type of the group. But on other hand I don't want the new team to just be direct rips of the original four archtype.

Ryan I wouldn't mind seeing in the picture. The rock would be fun too. But I really wouldn't want them on this. Its not a knock on there acting. I just think it should be others. And god no keep channging tatum off gb. I personally think he is a lousy actor. But I could see draw in him since he has been a bankable name past few yrs.

 

[Ultimatehero]

I don't see why folks wouldn't want oscar around. Hee could be a good tie to the past. With weaver, and they could take that one rumor that he is actually venkman kid. And we have sotryline of him growing up with the busters and always wanting to be one. That is a good background to go with him. Plus if they went around that idea he could also show/teach other new recuits the ins and out of gb tech and all that. Plus they could have him be the venkman type of the group. But on other hand I don't want the new team to just be direct rips of the original four archtype.

Oscar would be the perfect eyes-in, or maybe that's because he's around my age. Growing up with the Ghostbuster. Just a lot to work in for modern audiences. Jessie Eisenberg may also work there (Zombieland).

Could be seen archetypically, however - that's also avoiding the key notion behind those archetypes in the first film. The main gist is to bring in characters that although some may blend together, others it's more asking "how did these guys ever come together?" One is bookish, the other is eccentric, another is the strong man, and one is more of a late night talk show host personality. Within there - for any writer - there is a broad spectrum to play around in.

For example...

The bookish type could have come from a different country because he heard of increased paranormal entities in new york city. He could be more of a detective and sleuth as well.

The eccentric type could possibly be a computer nerd who knows how to re-wire everything in New York City and become the eye in the sky in a way. When he goes into the field he's stumbling all over himself, while he seems right at home behind a laptop which he brings with him.

The strong man could be a cop who got tangled up in a case that somehow relates to the paranormal and his superiors think he's off the deep-end in his obsession about it. He views joining a "ghost hunting squad" as a joke, but knows it'll open up some of the questions that he has and by the he end finds himself as part of the team amongst these wacky guys.

The TV talk show host personality, I'm unsure - but he could be one of the guys remaining or the boyfriend of a girl ghostbuster who gets pulled into it.

-- Basically look at the original --

You have one eccentric guy who is absolutely nuts about this stuff.

You have the bookish guy who is all into formulas and equations.

You have a scientist pulling outlandish experiments and not viewing any of it seriously.

And you have a guy who comes in out of nowhere, doesn't have the same know-how as the other guys and is more the straight man to their wackiness.

Basically -- Bruce Banner, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, and Donald Blake.

Archetypes frankly work for a reason and within those archetypes trained writers have A LOT to play around with. Without going for extreme personality traits, all you'd get is straight-comedian actor working off of straight-comedian actor; part of why Ghostbusters works is the "how do these guys get along?" aspect of it. Completely different worlds and personalities almost, yet they all gel together perfectly. That's the key.

The problem with finding the 'strong man' - for me it would be Reynolds, Renner, and (a name that comes into my mind for whatever reason, might be how he portrayed kirk) Chris Pine - is that person needs to gel with the rest of the cast and have a knowledge of comedic timing. You look at who Winston is/was and he really shouldn't fit in with the others. Just like Steve Rogers really seems like the hardest to place in the Avengers. But, that character - whoever it is - is more the glue holding things together. The straight man is needed more for the wackiness to bounce off of and act as a barometer, the more straight-laced and serious (without too serious) that barometer is the more grounded things become.

 

[bubbadoom]

I had the idea of having Oscar in more of the Dana Barrett role. Not a ghostbusters but in the middle of all the ghostly goings on.

That's my problem with Oscar [and Weaver] in the first place. We have three movies and they are all about the same character [Weaver] and her son!? Isn't the GB world bigger than this? Weaver being in part 2 was one of it's many problems, and perhaps the biggest. She obviously did not like Murray at the end of part 1 [that kiss was so forced], why have her shoe horned into 2 and now 3. That's what F-ed up the Alien series, lets not do it here.

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

That's my problem with Oscar [and Weaver] in the first place. We have three movies and they are all about the same character [Weaver] and her son!? Isn't the GB world bigger than this? Weaver being in part 2 was one of it's many problems, and perhaps the biggest. She obviously did not like Murray at the end of part 1 [that kiss was so forced], why have her shoe horned into 2 and now 3. That's what F-ed up the Alien series, lets not do it here.

I understand what you mean. I would still like to see Oscar in this though as a ghostbusters or not. I'm really not bothered if Dana is in this though I feel there is no need for her to be. This is many years later let's just introduce some new characters. Plus if Murray doesn't want to do it it can be so easy to write them both out together.

 

[iamlegend]

Winston type... Ryan Reynolds (imagine more 'Safe House' mode than sarcastic guy), Jason Statham (see Italian Job), Dwayne Johnson (I'll admit, last guy I'd pick), Jeremy Renner (comedy is a stretch, but he does seem to have a comedic personality), and Channing Tatum (although he seems or looks too young, 21 Jump Street showed his potential in that kind of role).

No offense meant, but if any of these actors were cast in a GB3 I'd be disgusted. Most of them are everything that's wrong with Hollywood today.

 

[MadVillainy]

GB came out in '84 and cost $30 million.
RETURN OF THE JEDI came out the year before and cost $32.5 million.

So I guess that was a blockbuster budget for back then.

I see no point in having Oscar in it, but if you did then I guess he's in his early 20's - so I guess that's the right age for the new GBs.

I assume some SNL folks will end up in this one - Hader, Wigg, etc. Are we ready for a female GB?!

Well color me suprised. I didnt know GB cost that much at the time

and about age for the new GBs I think it depends. If Oscar is involved then I say make most of the new guys mid to late 20s. But I think it'll be cool if the new guys are mid 30s like the originals were

And I wouldnt mind a female GB at all. But I think whoever the lead GB is should be different from the female lead

Well if Bill Murray can't sell this movie only one man can.

And his name is Ernie Hudson.

NO joke I'd actually rather see Hudson in this than Akroyd or Ramis

I don't see why folks wouldn't want oscar around. Hee could be a good tie to the past. With weaver, and they could take that one rumor that he is actually venkman kid. And we have sotryline of him growing up with the busters and always wanting to be one. That is a good background to go with him. Plus if they went around that idea he could also show/teach other new recuits the ins and out of gb tech and all that. Plus they could have him be the venkman type of the group. But on other hand I don't want the new team to just be direct rips of the original four archtype.

I can't stress that enough. I really dont want the new guys just to be a xerox of the old guys. If this really is a "pass the torch" sequel I think it'll be a mistake to have them just be clones of the old ones. That's why I honestly dont even want the new guys to have degrees in parapsychology or whatever

As for Oscar, idk I would hate if he was in it, but I just prefer him not to be for this one. but If I had to choose actors i'd chose Dylan O Brien from Teen Wolf or Jesse Plemons from Friday Night Lights

No offense meant, but if any of these actors were cast in a GB3 I'd be disgusted. Most of them are everything that's wrong with Hollywood today.

Well I dont know about that.
Statham and Johnson are good in the action genre.
Renner is a very good actor.
Reynolds is funny
Tatum... well I liked 21 Jump Street a lot/he was good in it and I hear he's good in Magic Mike
However, I dont think I'd want any of them in GB3. I dont even want benedict cumberbatch (a choice I saw earlier) in it either. I think the thing about the Ghostbusters is that they look/are everyday guys.

Tatum looks like, and was, a super model. Statham and Johnson are built like tank action stars, especially The Rock. Reynolds probably could be fine but idk I'm just tired of seeing him; he's a good actor but I dont really wanna see him in another potential franchise movie. Renner is funny but kinda like the way a charismatic actor is, he's not necessarily a comedic actor which is what I think we need for the Ghostbusters. And Cumberbatch creeps me out

They would just be so out of place in something like Ghostbusters following guys like Murray, Akroyd, Hudson, and Ramis.

 

[iamlegend]

Well I dont know about that.
Statham and Johnson are good in the action genre.
Renner is a very good actor.
Reynolds is funny
Tatum... well I liked 21 Jump Street a lot/he was good in it and I hear he's good in Magic Mike
However, I dont think I'd want any of them in GB3. I dont even want benedict cumberbatch (a choice I saw earlier) in it either. I think the thing about the Ghostbusters is that they look/are everyday guys.

Tatum looks like, and was, a super model. Statham and Johnson are built like tank action stars, especially The Rock. Reynolds probably could be fine but idk I'm just tired of seeing him; he's a good actor but I dont really wanna see him in another potential franchise movie. Renner is funny but kinda like the way a charismatic actor is, he's not necessarily a comedic actor which is what I think we need for the Ghostbusters. And Cumberbatch creeps me out

They would just be so out of place in something like Ghostbusters following guys like Murray, Akroyd, Hudson, and Ramis.

Ultimately, though, all of those guys are either muscle bound no-talents or pretty boys that pretend to be funny. Basically, everything that's wrong with Hollywood.

To me, a big part of Ghostbusters was that the actors WEREN'T action stars, they weren't muscle bound freaks... they were just people. Normal guys fighting the paranormal. They need to try to recapture that, despite the obsession modern Hollywood has with pretty boys.

 

[MadVillainy]

Ultimately, though, all of those guys are either muscle bound no-talents or pretty boys that pretend to be funny. Basically, everything that's wrong with Hollywood.

To each his own, I like most of those guys in what they do

To me, a big part of Ghostbusters was that the actors WEREN'T action stars, they weren't muscle bound freaks... they were just people. Normal guys fighting the paranormal. They need to try to recapture that, despite the obsession modern Hollywood has with pretty boys.

That's what I say in my last paragraph. I agree with you

 

[bubbadoom]

I hope they still have a Bill Murray ghost in this - he could be the new Onion Head type ghost - either as a puppet or a corpse like make-up...it would be a nice jab at him for not wanting to be in it...

 

[Webhead2006]

ya I wouldn't mind jesse, the dude from t4/star trek checkvo, josh hutchson, to even zachary levi for oscar. Or it could be a total unknown actor.

And really if we have oscar I don't see it being such a big deal. If we are down murray we just have one good link to the past, and could also have oscar be a trigger for supernatural stuff due to the viggo incident when he was a kid. As for weaver she could be reduced to like two scenes one not agreeing with egon/dan ackrod character letting oscar bust. And then end scene. She wouldn't need to be there the whole film. Which then we can branch out to other characters having family/relationship problems. And ties to other happenings in the film.

 

[bubbadoom]

The GB's need to be nerdy losers - not pretty boys or action heroes.

Bill Hader is about as masculine as you want to get...

 

[MadVillainy]

ya I wouldn't mind jesse, the dude from t4/star trek checkvo, josh hutchson, to even zachary levi for oscar. Or it could be a total unknown actor.

And really if we have oscar I don't see it being such a big deal. If we are down murray we just have one good link to the past, and could also have oscar be a trigger for supernatural stuff due to the viggo incident when he was a kid. As for weaver she could be reduced to like two scenes one not agreeing with egon/dan ackrod character letting oscar bust. And then end scene. She wouldn't need to be there the whole film. Which then we can branch out to other characters having family/relationship problems. And ties to other happenings in the film.

Not really. Ramis, Hudson, Akroyd are all still there. And Weaver could still be brought in.

I dont think it's a big deal to have Oscar, I dont think anyone is really saying that. It's just not that big of a deal not to have him either.

The GB's need to be nerdy losers - not pretty boys or action heroes.

I dont think they need to be nerdy losers just everyday guys. Everyday guys arent always nerdy losers

 

[bubbadoom]

And really if we have oscar I don't see it being such a big deal. If we are down murray we just have one good link to the past, and could also have oscar be a trigger for supernatural stuff due to the viggo incident when he was a kid. As for weaver she could be reduced to like two scenes one not agreeing with egon/dan ackrod character letting oscar bust. And then end scene. She wouldn't need to be there the whole film. Which then we can branch out to other characters having family/relationship problems. And ties to other happenings in the film.

Isn't the other three original Ghost Busters enough of a link to the past?

Is Weaver confirmed as being in this, or just misguided wishful thinking at this point? If her character is in it, make her a ghost too, maybe one still clinging to Oscar - if he has to be in it....

 

[Ultimatehero]

Also note now I said in the 'strong' man role for those actors, not in the comedic ones. Ernie Hudson wasn't really a comedian, in fact looking over his usual roles - he usually did play police officers, seargents, or lieutenants. Kinda why, as said, Renner, Reynolds, and Pines come to mind because they do seem like they'd be cut from a similar cloth. Also as said Tatum seems too young, and I think the rock is okay but one of the closest we have to a comedian action guy (Although more a lesser arnold 'kindegarden cop' type), and Statham - 'Italian Job' character could be a form of strong character type. But, with my top choices in THAT standing - more average guys who you could see working blue collar in a police department. Hudson wasn't a comedian here, he was the serious face of the team who could play off the comedy of others... just crazy guys or light guys has nothing grounding it, need that serious backbone. And he was FAR from a nerd. They used a stern looking almost police-like character for a reason. From a WRITING standpoint it gives everything a gravitas to go outlandish plus it brings with it more of a real world nature than lots of other comedies, I'd say this is what it had that Evolution really didn't and Zombieland kind of had with the two girl con artists. Unsure how to say this exactly lol. Just, there's a reason Hudson was on the team and it wasn't just "cool black dude."

And, as already said archeyptes are not road blocks just a means of seperating team members from one another to easily discuss and see dynamics. Also, as shown above, you can have these same kind of characters without any notion of the prior's knowledge or status as well.

 

[MadVillainy]

That's a good point about Hudson not being a comedic actor but, even though he was my 2nd favorite, Hudson didnt get the same amount of funny lines/jokes as the other guys I think because of that. If Winston was played by Eddie Murphy like originally planned I think he wouldve been funnier.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Maybe a tad more sarcastic, but I doubt as outlandish. It comes from more of a writing perspective. You need that middle guy for everyone to bounce off of. The more serious that middle guy is? The more outlandish the other actors can be and it comes off as grounded still despite not being so. Evolution kind of shows what happens when you take that element out. Good movie, yes. As good, not as quite because it didn't have the same weight holding it down. With Murphy (Beverly Hills Cop, 48 Hrs), now I'm seeing more Chris Pine (Kirk in the bar scene). Hudson wasn't my favorite, but as a writer can see why he was essential and how his role helped to give the film more weight than if all of them were nerds.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yes they are links to padt too and I am sure the other three would fill key parts for the film. I just said oscar would be a good one to have too if murray is out totally. And he could fill that void. And like oneone else said oscar could be our relatable normal guy/the fan/viewer eyes into the gb world and all that.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yes they are links to padt too and I am sure the other three would fill key parts for the film. I just said oscar would be a good one to have too if murray is out totally. And he could fill that void. And like oneone else said oscar could be our relatable normal guy/the fan/viewer eyes into the gb world and all that.

I actually think the whole new generation could be our relatable normal guys.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Since, I was the guy who brought up busters fan. I'd love to see a disbanded ghostbusters. Rise in paranormal activity. And this kid waiting and wanting for a new group to come together if the old group can't. Along the way we see how this new team does start to come together. Start with the audience wanting to see the ghostbusters, this kid wanting them back, and taking time to get there so that by the time it does ' BANG! Awesome and awe-inspiring as hell. That's why Batman's return in TDKR worked. It kept us wanting to see it return so that when it does - it was jaw dropping and feeling like a kid again. Classic movie writing trick. More building anticipation (our eyes as fans) than the average joe aspect. JGL played this role in TDKR, he was our eyes into the world and wanting Batman to return. Same thing here, just with Oscar. It's all about building anticipation. To me part of the magic of the first film that lacked in the second film was seeing how all these different personalities came together to form the Ghostbuster and how the world responded to it. I'd rather have something along those-lines than having trainees already trained and with the same view; the magic comes from seeing them come together.

 

[DyeLorean]

I wonder if the "new team" is gonna be a reflection of the original Ghostbusters (someone who cracks jokes all the time like Peter, a cientific nerd like Egon, etc), or if they are just gonna get a whole new set of personalities.

 

[bullets]

Ultimately, though, all of those guys are either muscle bound no-talents or pretty boys that pretend to be funny. Basically, everything that's wrong with Hollywood.

To me, a big part of Ghostbusters was that the actors WEREN'T action stars, they weren't muscle bound freaks... they were just people. Normal guys fighting the paranormal. They need to try to recapture that, despite the obsession modern Hollywood has with pretty boys.

They were believable as parapsychologists. It would be strange to throw a bunch of action stars together when these films are mostly comedy. I guess it will depend on where the story takes us but people should expect Paul Rudd over Jason Statham.

 

[DyeLorean]

Yeah, I agree.