Ghostbusters 3 - Part 1

[DrDoom]

They were believable as parapsychologists. It would be strange to throw a bunch of action stars together when these films are mostly comedy. I guess it will depend on where the story takes us but people should expect Paul Rudd over Jason Statham.

People should WANT Paul Rudd over Jason Statham lol

 

[iamlegend]

Also note now I said in the 'strong' man role for those actors, not in the comedic ones. Ernie Hudson wasn't really a comedian, in fact looking over his usual roles - he usually did play police officers, seargents, or lieutenants. Kinda why, as said, Renner, Reynolds, and Pines come to mind because they do seem like they'd be cut from a similar cloth. Also as said Tatum seems too young, and I think the rock is okay but one of the closest we have to a comedian action guy (Although more a lesser arnold 'kindegarden cop' type), and Statham - 'Italian Job' character could be a form of strong character type. But, with my top choices in THAT standing - more average guys who you could see working blue collar in a police department. Hudson wasn't a comedian here, he was the serious face of the team who could play off the comedy of others... just crazy guys or light guys has nothing grounding it, need that serious backbone. And he was FAR from a nerd. They used a stern looking almost police-like character for a reason. From a WRITING standpoint it gives everything a gravitas to go outlandish plus it brings with it more of a real world nature than lots of other comedies, I'd say this is what it had that Evolution really didn't and Zombieland kind of had with the two girl con artists. Unsure how to say this exactly lol. Just, there's a reason Hudson was on the team and it wasn't just "cool black dude."

And, as already said archeyptes are not road blocks just a means of seperating team members from one another to easily discuss and see dynamics. Also, as shown above, you can have these same kind of characters without any notion of the prior's knowledge or status as well.

Hudson was on the team to reflect how much paranormal activity there was. That's it. The original cast has even confirmed it.

They'd originally planned for Eddie Murphy to be in the film (and HE was going to be the most achieved scientist of the bunch), but he couldn't commit. So instead they plugged Hudson in later as a toss in character.

He wasn't brought in to be the "normal" guy, he was brought in to be the nearly nameless fourth guy. His character got far more play in the cartoon and second film than it ever did in the original.

I love Ernie Hudson as much as anyone, but lets not overrate what he was in the original work.

 

[iamlegend]

People should WANT Paul Rudd over Jason Statham lol

This.

Sadly, though, American film audiences aren't what they once were. Far more inclined to buy in for a talentless "action" star than an actual actor.

 

[Ultimatehero]

They were believable as parapsychologists. It would be strange to throw a bunch of action stars together when these films are mostly comedy. I guess it will depend on where the story takes us but people should expect Paul Rudd over Jason Statham.

HOLD UP. People are taking it EXTREMELY out of context. I said as the Ernie Hudson kind of character for the wackiness to bounce off of. That's all. Jason Statham came up because he was paired off Seth Green (playing an EXTREMELY zany character) and worked, in my opinion, perfectly in that dynamic as the stern guy for his wacky guy and managed to be funny as well as "Handsome" Rob. That's why I particularly said 'Italian Job' - because it shows those dynamics at play.

Hudson may have been thrown in. But, it still would have felt like a different movie with one more wacky guy thrown in. I'm a fan of the original over cartoon and sequel. To me what he brought was gravity to it. Just by the look on his face of "what are these guys up to?" He was the more serious one. Jullianne Moore was kind of that for 'Evolution' but just seemed more like a carricture over time. While, Emma Stone was that pitch-perfectly in ZOMBIELAND and there? DEFINITELY seemed to work again. You need something for these guys to bounce off of and to be compared to.

Paul Rudd is a great comedian, and I like him more than Statham but not as the kind of guy for everyone to be compared to and off of. He fits right in. No real dynamic or spark there. These guys, in my opinion CAN'T blend-in together or you've just got another buddy comedy of today. The interesting thing behind this years ago with extremely different personalities at play.

Once again, not "all action heroes" - do people on here read? I said for ONE part get somebody that's more like a stern almost cop-like figure so the rest have something to jump off of and liven things up. I say 'cop-like' because that's the kind of personality Hudson just seems to bring with him. This isn't something I came up with, getting a straight guy for a wacky guy to bounce off of. Betting Egon was originally meant to take on that role. But, Hudson just - even by coincidence - added a whole new thing to that by having someone very far removed from it all. If you asked them would they have traded Hudson for Murphy, I very highly doubt it because they latched onto something here that elevated it beyond that. And not - this was my least favorite in the team actually, but even I could see what he brought to the table. The sternness, or almost toughness, compared to these guys just brought in a whole different level beyond the just straight guy role and even made Egon seem wackier in a sense. Also noting people who can play off of it in a non-action hero way... if I was thinking action hero, I'd be thinking Sam Worthington, etc. While Worthington is cool and an everyman, I'm just not sure how he'd play off in a comedy off of comedians. It's kind of rare for one to be able to play stern and straight man for a comedian. The names I singled out have done so in some capacity in the past plus are naturally intimidating in some form.

 

[bullets]

I didn't read back to where it started. I wasn't even sure how the conversation started. In any case I don't think they all need to be comedians. I liked Ernie Hudson's character but he was basically tagging along for the ride. I'm sure they'll have someone like that in the new film.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Also think this emphasizes it, if you (in general) can, imagine Chris Pine in Ernie Hudson's spot then imagine Paul Rudd in his spot. Which one has the same kind of weight as the original scene? To me, another comedian just can't fill that spot.

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THAT is why you need a serious guy that's just beyond a Paul Rudd type serious guy to play off of. Rudd would also just blend too much in with Akroyd in the scene. It's just a matter of grounding it for those dynamics. Now Rudd himself, would fit in more playing the new Akroyd in that scene.

 

[iamlegend]

HOLD UP. People are taking it EXTREMELY out of context. I said as the Ernie Hudson kind of character for the wackiness to bounce off of. That's all. Jason Statham came up because he was paired off Seth Green (playing an EXTREMELY zany character) and worked, in my opinion, perfectly in that dynamic as the stern guy for his wacky guy and managed to be funny as well as "Handsome" Rob. That's why I particularly said 'Italian Job' - because it shows those dynamics at play.

Hudson may have been thrown in. But, it still would have felt like a different movie with one more wacky guy thrown in. I'm a fan of the original over cartoon and sequel. To me what he brought was gravity to it. Just by the look on his face of "what are these guys up to?" He was the more serious one. Jullianne Moore was kind of that for 'Evolution' but just seemed more like a carricture over time. While, Emma Stone was that pitch-perfectly in ZOMBIELAND and there? DEFINITELY seemed to work again. You need something for these guys to bounce off of and to be compared to.

Paul Rudd is a great comedian, and I like him more than Statham but not as the kind of guy for everyone to be compared to and off of. He fits right in. No real dynamic or spark there. These guys, in my opinion CAN'T blend-in together or you've just got another buddy comedy of today. The interesting thing behind this years ago with extremely different personalities at play.

Once again, not "all action heroes" - do people on here read? I said for ONE part get somebody that's more like a stern almost cop-like figure so the rest have something to jump off of and liven things up. I say 'cop-like' because that's the kind of personality Hudson just seems to bring with him. This isn't something I came up with, getting a straight guy for a wacky guy to bounce off of. Betting Egon was originally meant to take on that role. But, Hudson just - even by coincidence - added a whole new thing to that by having someone very far removed from it all. If you asked them would they have traded Hudson for Murphy, I very highly doubt it because they latched onto something here that elevated it beyond that. And not - this was my least favorite in the team actually, but even I could see what he brought to the table. The sternness, or almost toughness, compared to these guys just brought in a whole different level beyond the just straight guy role and even made Egon seem wackier in a sense. Also noting people who can play off of it in a non-action hero way... if I was thinking action hero, I'd be thinking Sam Worthington, etc. While Worthington is cool and an everyman, I'm just not sure how he'd play off in a comedy off of comedians. It's kind of rare for one to be able to play stern and straight man for a comedian. The names I singled out have done so in some capacity in the past plus are naturally intimidating in some form.

I'm not arguing with you over the value of a "straight man" character - I'm arguing that you're overrating what Hudson was.

They could have completely cut Ernie Hudson out of the first film and lost nothing. I'm glad he was in it, but he was a totally unnecessary character that brought nothing but a few one-liners to the film. That's it. His meager role added nothing to the plot, all-told. Had the cartoon not existed, this character would have largely been forgotten.

I don't disagree that an average joe type character is necessary on the team, either, I'm just disagreeing with some of the casting choices I've heard. Hollywood's current flock of meatheads aren't qualified for the role. Hudson himself hadn't done a lot of "authority" type of roles before Ghostbusters -those (and his fame) came long after. You don't have to be a meathead like Statham to be the average guy that's got no knowledge of the paranormal.

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

With the Oscar thing that haven't even got to mention the past really just have a character in the film called Oscar maybe already working for the company as a Ghostbuster or maybe no in the field but at the HQ with a laptop. He can just be introduced as an employee whose name is Oscar then not really seen again.

So it leaves a little nod to that past. We can all wonder if that is THE OSCAR but never really find out;

 

[Pink Ranger]

With the Oscar thing that haven't even got to mention the past really just have a character in the film called Oscar maybe already working for the company as a Ghostbuster or maybe no in the field but at the HQ with a laptop. He can just be introduced as an employee whose name is Oscar then not really seen again.

So it leaves a little nod to that past. We can all wonder if that is THE OSCAR but never really find out;

Geez, that would be pretty depressing, actually. The Ghostbusters put everything on the line to save this baby from the end of the world, and he grows up to be a gray collar cube farmer. Realistic, but a letdown.

 

[Webhead2006]

I still say don't rip on there archtypes and backgrounds. Doesn't mean one or two of the new guys can't be smart/scientists. Then we have a tech/weapon/computer guy. Then just the normal guy/thrill seeker looking for a new career type of thing. If we will have egon/winston and ackrod characters around we fill the void there with there smarts/skills and all that.

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

Geez, that would be pretty depressing, actually. The Ghostbusters put everything on the line to save this baby from the end of the world, and he grows up to be a gray collar cube farmer. Realistic, but a letdown.

Maybe but like you said realistic. They could always have him be the one the works out how to catch a particular ghost or something that has a big part of saving the day. I was just thinking have the name but no real need to tred back to much into the fact that it is Oscar we can all guess/presume it.is.

 

[Maximum Carnage]

Has any cast been confirmed? Besides that Murray will NOT be?

 

[Donut]

They could always say that Dana died due to some kind of disease. Oscar & Peter went their separate ways afterwards

 

[Webhead2006]

I agree that be a loosy thing to do for oscar either don't bother with him or have oscar there and a buster or at least be in the film and all that. And I still believe oscar would be a good starting point for new recuit. And be like eegging egon/ackrod characters for him to bust when they start for a new crew.

I doubt they would have dana died, when wever has said many times she would love to return and would do a cameo for film. Sure you could say she ended up with peter and she loved from nyc. But she could still appearl like I said before at least two scenes one *****ing at egon/ackrod characters for letting oscar bust/banning them to do it. The at end accepting oscar as a buster. All you really need for her.

 

[Airwings]

As long as Oscar won't turn out to be like the annoying "I know better than all of you, and your experience with the supernatural means nothing" teenage boy from the third Mummy film, I will be happy.

Now that Murray is officially out, it's more important than ever to hook Sigourney Weaver and Rick Moranis onto the project. We need as many connections to the previous films as possible.

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

As long as Oscar won't turn out to be like the annoying "I know better than all of you, and your experience with the supernatural means nothing" teenage boy from the third Mummy film, I will be happy.

Now that Murray is officially out, it's more important than ever to hook Sigourney Weaver and Rick Moranis onto the project. We need as many connections to the previous films as possible.

I think if they are doing a direct sequel not a reboot if Murray refuses to it there really should be no reason for Dana to be in this I mean they looked pretty much like they got together at the end of 2 so as long as they are still together I cant see how we can see Dana but not Venkman.

Although I agree with Moranis though. I would love to see what has happened with his character fo the man years and where or what he would be now.

 

[Airwings]

I think if they are doing a direct sequel not a reboot if Murray refuses to it there really should be no reason for Dana to be in this I mean they looked pretty much like they got together at the end of 2 so as long as they are still together I cant see how we can see Dana but not Venkman.

Venkman could have died, or been killed by a ghost/demon. It's as easy as that.

But what actor for Oscar? Dark haired? Blond? Ginger?

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

Venkman could have died, or been killed by a ghost/demon. It's as easy as that.

But what actor for Oscar? Dark haired? Blond? Ginger?

Dark Haired.

Anton Yelchin is exactly the right age.

Christopher Mintz-Plasse is the right age although even though I like him in some of the films he has done I don't know if he could fit into this.

Aaron Johnson is just about the right age and I like him for this role. Looking forward to seeing Savages.

Alex Russell
who I have been going on about playing Harry Osborn in the next spider-man is about the right age

 

[bubbadoom]

Now that Murray is officially out, it's more important than ever to hook Sigourney Weaver and Rick Moranis onto the project. We need as many connections to the previous films as possible.

Do we. This was the major problem with GB2!

Does every case the GBs deal with involve these people? I guess they have been doing nothing for the past 20 years.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

I really can't see moranis coming out of retirement for Ghostbusters 3 though.

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

I really can't see moranis coming out of retirement for Ghostbusters 3 though.

I agree and its shame.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well we could still have the rare/slime chance once in filming he could do a cameo and really like I said above no reason not to include dana when actress is willing to rretun. Just cause murray may be out doesn't mean dana has to be gone too. She could play importance if oscar is a buster still and to the others and all.

As for some casting thoughts first I am sure we will more then likely see some snl dudes/gals make it into the film. What would folks think of any of the dudes from big bang theory or how I met your mother has some other potential new gb/supporting characters.

 

[DrDoom]

Murray was a big fan of Hudson. so much so that he only went through with GB2 if Hudson got a bigger role/more screentime.

Hopefully they keep the Next-Gen game in continuity like they originally said it was, Winston had went to school and gotten his degree in "Parapsychology" or some other science. That should let him be more involved in the science aspects of the sequel.

 

[Shifty]

They could always film it, show Murray a cut and then he would want to be in a scene or two. Dustin Hoffman wasn't going to be in Little Fockers over money issues so they went ahead and filmed without him only to come to a deal and insert him into the movie through re-shoots.

 

[Majik1387]

They could always film it, show Murray a cut and then he would want to be in a scene or two. Dustin Hoffman wasn't going to be in Little Fockers over money issues so they went ahead and filmed without him only to come to a deal and insert him into the movie through re-shoots.

You mean those painstaking, unrelated to anything scenes? No thanks.