Ghostbusters 3 - Part 3

[DeadPresident]

To this day it's still deemed shocking to hear a woman spout off profanities or even talk about anything graphic.

I dunno, maybe you're right, but I think it's actually quite popular and acceptable. Two Broke Girls offers a good case study. Max and the Eastern European guy have the same themes in their dialogue, primarily crude sexual innuendo, and people love Kat Dennings' character and I don't think they find it shocking to hear talking about the blonde chick needing "a good 9 inches", etc.

It seems to be the new in thing. If McCarthy starts dropping the C-bomb in movies people will probably just laugh it off.

 

[Sawyer]

It's the same old BS.
If you don't want MBJ as Human Torch you're a racist.
If you don't want Ezra Miller as The Flash,you're homophobic.
If you don't want an all female Ghostbusters,you're sexist.

It's still the same old story.

If more people on the internet were able to come up with adequate reasons for disliking these types of casting than "Hurr durr, the Human Torch can't be black!!!!" and "Ghostubusters aren't women, becuz women aren't funny!!!", then there would be less of those accusations. As it stands, that's what about 90% of the detractors resort to, so.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I will say the female cast in this are all funny people, but I am still not looking forward to this all that much. The movie just doesn't feel like ghostbusters to me. I think the director reconed his first comments about this movie not taking place in the original films universe, but without any cameos from Dan, or Bill or Ernie I feel like the film would be missing that special spark. Would it kill them to at least have a scene where the old guys past the torch to these new female ghostbusters?

 

[Human Torch]

If more people on the internet were able to come up with adequate reasons for disliking these types of casting than "Hurr durr, the Human Torch can't be black!!!!" and "Ghostubusters aren't women, becuz women aren't funny!!!", then there would be less of those accusations. As it stands, that's what about 90% of the detractors resort to, so.

It's not really anyone's fault that "They are replacing "X" that used to look like this,with the complete opposite visual representation" isn't deemed a suitable complaint by those that just want to play the gender/race card.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

If more people on the internet were able to come up with adequate reasons for disliking these types of casting than "Hurr durr, the Human Torch can't be black!!!!" and "Ghostubusters aren't women, becuz women aren't funny!!!", then there would be less of those accusations. As it stands, that's what about 90% of the detractors resort to, so.

So true. Fanboys are crazy sometimes. Durr this person can't play this fictional character because they are black or female without really giving any solid reason's to back up their claims other than said race or sex complaints.

 

[MrMaooz]

So, July 2016 is loaded.

-The BFG
-Tarzan
-The Purge 3
-Star Trek 3
-Ice Age 5
-King Arthur: Knights of the Roundtable
-Power Rangers
-Ghostbusters Reboot
-Bourne Sequel

 

[Human Torch]

So true. Fanboys are crazy sometimes. Durr this person can't play this fictional character because they are black or female without really giving any solid reason's to back up their claims other than said race or sex complaints.

Not to get wildly off topic,but the Human Torch issue had been dealt with in reasonable detail.It's ridiculous to upset the whole family dynamic by making Johnny & Sue adopted siblings,just because Trank wanted to get one of his buddies a role.

 

[Reef Goddess]

Since the original Ghostbusters were made up of nothing but GQ models...

Exactly. As a woman I can say none of the original Ghostbusters were "attractive"...I actually find this new cast much more attractive.

 

[MadVillainy]

It's the same old BS.
If you don't want MBJ as Human Torch you're a racist.
If you don't want Ezra Miller as The Flash,you're homophobic.
If you don't want an all female Ghostbusters,you're sexist.

It's still the same old story.

This. People are throwing these terms so much
Im really getting tired of being called a racist.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

How can it not be interpeted any other way?

Why, because i don't like the Bridesmaid casting......wow, talking about turning an argument upside down and making it about something is not

If i say "i don't like Godzilla Because it's too big", doe that means i hate reptiles?

Your post is echoing every other "women ghostbusters? this sucks!" comment I've seen. There was no indicator why these are the worst cast choices other than they are women. You followed how many dozens of posts whining over women and expect to be taken differently? Tacking "Bridesmaids with ghosts" does not help your "it's not about the women" argument.

First, i made no comment about "women ghostbusters? this sucks!".
I explained why i dislike the casting when i made a Bridesmaids comparison.
I would have been fine with Anna Faris, so, i fail the all argument against an all women casting.

Then you brush it off as a feminist argument when it was clearly a response to your parroting every other "women can't be ghostbusters" comment on here.

Once again, you are reading way too much in what i said.

And plenty of people like feminists, but those who don't typically are mysogonists which is exactly how your response comes off.

No, it doesn't comes off as nothing, you are just clinging to a straw-man argument.
I LOVE women, i ADORE women, i RESPECT women...i never said i dislike the casting because they are women, you are just making a inane correlation.
If i dislike Michael B. Jordan as the Human Torch, does that make me a racist?

Some people dislike feminists because they are a radical group that goes out of their way to fuel their agenda....like all radical groups.
They usually follow the ideology "if you don't agree with me, you are against me and all i stand for", and always miss that, if people don't agree maybe they have a good reason not too or you are just plain wrong.

This is why no one likes anti-feminists, because they don't actually pay attention to what other people say.

Once again, all i said was i dislike the Bridesmaid casting.

The exact wording of the post you replied to was "If this is the worst casting in the history bad castings… "

If you honestly think that this is the worst casting in the history bad castings, then you haven't seen many movies because that is blatantly untrue.

Do you know what HYPERBOLE means?
Of course that there are not the worst casting in the history of bad castings, that goes without saying

 

[Sundancer]

I know this is a loaded topic that's already been somewhat addressed, but I wish the cast was racially different only because in many movies involving 4 people, 3 are White and one is Black ex. Wild Hogs, 40 yr old Virgin, Hot Tub Time Machine, the new FF, etc.

Here I'm only talking about the ratio. I know it's done for business /demographic reasons, but any other mix would feel fresh. 2 Black, 2 White, 1 Latino, 1 Asian, 3 Indian....whatever.

 

[MadVillainy]

I know this is a loaded topic, but I wish the cast was racially different only because in many movies involving 4 people, 3 are White and one is Black ex. Wild Hogs, 40 yr old Virgin, Hot Tub Time Machine, the new FF, etc.

I know it's done for business /demographic reasons, but any other mix would feel fresh. 2 Black, 2 White, 1 Latino, 1 Asian, 3 Indian....whatever.

That's the interesting thing about this to me. Still not a very ethnically diverse cast

 

[Apollo]

*Dr. Evil begins to speak*

"Fanboys are now calling each other racist! Sexist! Anti-gay! PC nutjobs! I can feel their hate for one another! Isn't this all wonderful!
Fanboys are now more divided than ever before!
Everything is now going according to plan.
Once the fanboys kill each other, we will be one step closer to world domination.
Because what really is separating us from achieving our goals? It is those pesky internet fanboys!
Once we get them out of the way, the world is ours!
And what better way to put one against the other by screwing with their favorite movies and comics! And they think Fanatic Four and the Ghostbusters reboot and Indiana Jones Reboot is bad.. Wait until they get a load of Larry Croft: Tomb Raider May 2017!

Begun.. the FanBoy War has.."


*Cue in evil music*

 

[Soapy]

This has nothing to do with Ghostbusters, but is more of a general statement incoherent rambling on casting characters outside their own race/sex/whatever.

Some characters are simply more flexible in that regard than others. For example, I see no reason why Peter Parker couldn't be black. But that makes less sense for a character like Bruce Wayne for instance.

In my opinion, generally speaking, an actor should be cast accurately to the character they're going to portray. A white character should be played by a white person. A female character should be played by a female. So on and so forth.

The social justice brigade dictates that in the name of equality and fairness you must accept a black person playing a white character, or a woman playing a male character, or whatever else. That's a fine goal, but as usual with that group, it's a classic case of them treating a symptom rather than the disease.

The problem isn't fanboys being upset about poor casting choices. That's a symptom. It's a reaction to the character being miscast in the first place. However, the problem isn't even the initial poor casting. That's also a symptom and a reaction. The real underlying problem is that there simply aren't enough characters for minorities and women to play in these things. Far fewer good characters. Until there are more good characters written for them, this matter of miscasting actors that don't match the characters will continue to be a problem.

How big of a problem it is, or whether it's a problem at all, is highly debatable though. Like I said above, maybe I'm old fashioned, but I personally prefer the actor to resemble the character on the page or whatever the source material is. Having said that though, how many characters' race or gender is truly important enough to be considered sacrosanct? And if it's not, is "just because we can" a good enough reason to do so?

It's obviously a pretty sticky issue, and one in which I kind of feel both sides are more or less right on. In my opinion though the only real long term solution is to create brand new good characters for women and minorities that can stand shoulder to shoulder with the classics. That way, everybody wins.

Fans of old characters get to see their favorite heroes portrayed accurately, women and minorities get to see cool characters that appeal to them, writers have a lot of fresh new material to work with, women and minority actors have more opportunities, and the business people get to make more money by broadening their demographics and casting and ever-widening net.

With my solution, as far as I can tell, it seems like everyone comes out ahead.

 

[flickchick85]

In my opinion though the only real long term solution is to create brand new good characters for women and minorities that can stand shoulder to shoulder with the classics. That way, everybody wins.

Fans of old characters get to see their favorite heroes portrayed accurately, women and minorities get to see cool characters that appeal to them, writers have a lot of fresh new material to work with, women and minority actors have more opportunities, and the business people get to make more money by broadening their demographics and casting and ever-widening net.

With my solution, as far as I can tell, it seems like everyone comes out ahead.

Agreed, but unfortunately, your solution is a VERY long way off. White male protagonists dominate popular literature/tv/movies on such an extreme level that it will take many decades for anyone else to compare. Until then, I'm willing to tolerate a little less faithfulness to the white male protagonists of the source materials for the sake of representation. But only with characters whose race and/or gender are not vital to who they are as a character.

For example, I would not be cool with a female James Bond, because Bond's womanizing and misogynistic tendencies are part of the essence of the character, for better and worse. I WOULD however, be cool with a James Bond of another race, as long as he's believable as a sophisticated British spy.

 

[Reef Goddess]

My problem is, whether you already hate this remake due to sexism or not, if you don't want to see it you don't have to. If I had no intention of seeing a movie for whatever the reason, I just wouldn't see it. I wouldn't freak out like the majority of forums are doing.

If you like classic Ghostbusters and don't want to see an all female remake, then don't see it. You aren't going to stop it from being made now, so just ignore it and stop throwing a tantrum.

 

[MadVillainy]

Agreed, but unfortunately, your solution is a VERY long way off. White male protagonists dominate popular literature/tv/movies on such an extreme level that it will take many decades for anyone else to compare. Until then, I'm willing to tolerate a little less faithfulness to the white male protagonists of the source materials for the sake of representation. But only with characters whose race and/or gender are not vital to who they are as a character.

For example, I would not be cool with a female James Bond, because Bond's womanizing and misogynistic tendencies are part of the essence of the character, for better and worse. I WOULD however, be cool with a James Bond of another race, as long as he's believable as a sophisticated British spy.

Women can womanize too

But in all seriousness I agree with what both you and Soapy say.

As a black man, I just dont like race changes because I dont see the point and honestly makes me wonder when we will start to be major black characters cast as white.

But at the end of the day, if the movie is good I probably wont care

I will say that I dont think this Ghostbuster situation should be seen the same as MBJ as Johnny. To my knowledge it's not like Wiig will be playing "(Female Name) Venkman" she's playing a whole new character right?

 

[The Question]

It's the same old BS.
If you don't want MBJ as Human Torch you're a racist.
If you don't want Ezra Miller as The Flash,you're homophobic.
If you don't want an all female Ghostbusters,you're sexist.

It's still the same old story.

You get it!



Also, what in the world is wrong with Ezra Miller as The Flash?

It's not really anyone's fault that "They are replacing "X" that used to look like this,with the complete opposite visual representation" isn't deemed a suitable complaint by those that just want to play the gender/race card.

No, it isn't deemed a suitable complaint by people with sense. It's a complete non-problem, and the only reason anyone would think that a traditionally white character being played by a non white actor counts as a significant and detrimental aesthetic change is if their incredibly pedantic or if they have some kind of racial hang up.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

For example, I would not be cool with a female James Bond, because Bond's womanizing and misogynistic tendencies are part of the essence of the character, for better and worse. I WOULD however, be cool with a James Bond of another race, as long as he's believable as a sophisticated British spy.

I would, in both accounts.
Bond is a British man, that's who he is, that's his essence...end of story.
And no, i'm not British.

I wouldn't like to see Lara Croft as a French man either.

 

[Sterling Archer]

My problem is, whether you already hate this remake due to sexism or not, if you don't want to see it you don't have to. If I had no intention of seeing a movie for whatever the reason, I just wouldn't see it. I wouldn't freak out like the majority of forums are doing.

If you like classic Ghostbusters and don't want to see an all female remake, then don't see it. You aren't going to stop it from being made now, so just ignore it and stop throwing a tantrum.

It's not exactly that simple though when people I know in real life and people on twitter accuse me of being sexist because I said I don't see the point in a reboot which is most likely a cash grab of a recognisable franchise, I don't like the director and his crude style of humour and I don't like the cast. I have actually been arguing for hours with people about a movie that I don't really care about because as you said, I was just planning on not seeing it. I resigned myself pretty quickly to the fact that this movie is happening, and most likely most people will forget it pretty quickly after it's come out. But people seem to not want me to have a negative opinion about this movie.

 

[Apollo]

Also, what in the world is wrong with Ezra Miller as The Flash?

I read somewhere that someone was confused because they didn't think the Flash was supposed to be Asian.

 

[Apollo]

I would, in both accounts.
Bond is a British man, that's who he is, that's his essence...end of story.
And no, i'm not British.

I wouldn't like to see Lara Croft as a French man either.

You must be a Misandryist!

 

[bullets]

If the Murray rumor is true, then you mean to tell me that he's turned down every opportunity for GB3 yet this is what he'd say yes to?

That's just a rumor about what part they are hoping he would play. Any hope that Bill Murray appears in this film is still slim. I feel like this all started with Murray playing hardball. Murray must of said "make them all woman and I'll consider it". Then they called his bluff

 

[flickchick85]

I would, in both accounts.
Bond is a British man, that's who he is, that's his essence...end of story.
And no, i'm not British.

I said race, not nationality. I absolutely agree that Bond is a British man at his essence, and that should not change. But, for example, if they were to make Idris Elba, a British man of a different race, the next Bond, I'd be cool with it. That won't happen b/c he'll be too old, but you get the idea.

Women can womanize too

But in all seriousness I agree with what both you and Soapy say.

Lol, I knew as soon as I typed that someone would jump on that part. You are of course correct, but you know what I mean. Everything James Bond is, thematically, emotionally, etc. at his core, is pretty much limited to the male experience. And being a Brit.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

My problem is, whether you already hate this remake due to sexism or not, if you don't want to see it you don't have to. If I had no intention of seeing a movie for whatever the reason, I just wouldn't see it. I wouldn't freak out like the majority of forums are doing.

If you like classic Ghostbusters and don't want to see an all female remake, then don't see it. You aren't going to stop it from being made now, so just ignore it and stop throwing a tantrum.

It's not that easy nor should it be.
People like stuff, they are passionate about stuff.
The problem is when people take what they like/love too far, into insanity realm, which is hardly the case.

For example, i'm arguing about the casting now, 3 days from now i will not care and just accept it as there are far more important things in life.