Ghostbusters 3 - Part 4

[def28]

From what I've heard (SPOILER)

Spoiler

the Stay Puft marshmallow man scene is sort of there but the SPMM has been replaced with the ghost of a T-rex.

Not cool in any sense.

Spoiler

They need to bring Stay Puft back or they need to get the **** out. Characters like Stay Puft are awesome selling points. All anyone will be thinking is where this dude is. Lame.

 

[Octoberist]

Actually that's kinda cool

 

[ThePhantasm]

sounds good to me

 

[Tanin]

What logical reason would Gozer be back in a form that he failed in again? Other than fan service is serves no story purpose whatsoever.
If it's a remake, Mr Stay Puft will just remind me that Dr. Raymond Stantz wasn't there to think him up and the new characters would have thought up something different. Taking me out of the film due to laziness.

 

[Urich Leeds]

From what I've heard (SPOILER)

Spoiler

the Stay Puft marshmallow man scene is sort of there but the SPMM has been replaced with the ghost of a T-rex.

See.... this is my issue with this film.

I could honestly support a GB film set in a different continuity with a different team (the 84 film was this), but I cannot stand by them copying the original, beat for beat; just with small changes.

By copying all the beats of the original, its doing nothing but making itself a gimmick movie. It's nothing more than "what if the Ghostbusters were female?". Not "Here's a different team in a different universe, who also happen go be Ghostbusters" like the Filmation and '84 "Real" Ghostbusters were to each other.

 

[def28]

What logical reason would Gozer be back in a form that he failed in again? Other than fan service is serves no story purpose whatsoever.
If it's a remake, Mr Stay Puft will just remind me that Dr. Raymond Stantz wasn't there to think him up and the new characters would have thought up something different. Taking me out of the film due to laziness.

Laziness is remaking a franchise and not taking the effort to bring back what classic characters people liked and want to see more off. Any villain, character and equipment in this movie will be compared to the original. I could re write TMNT with 4 new characters without trying to play into any past mythology so can I have a clean slate. No Shredder, No April and no Leonardo or Michelangelo. I'm changing the names, myths and villains just because. You don't think people are gonna compare every thing I do with what they have known the franchise to be? Even more so cause Im making significant changes and replacing well known characters with others from a franchise I didn't create?

People are serisouly kidding themselves if they think [BLACKOUT]having some other giant creature like a T Rex [/BLACKOUT]is not gonna just remind people who have seen the film of Stay Puft. It's gonna be compared, the difference with Stay Puft is that only Ghostbusters uses it. It's specific to the IP, and everyone knows it. Therefore when they here "remake" or "reboot" they expect those classic characters like a giant Marshmallow Man to be there. Only hopefully done better. It will be disappointing to audiences if Slimer or Stay Puft are not there. Just like it's disappointing with any other franchise when characters get left out.

Everything will be compared and remind people of the original. The original is the main reason people will still see thing.

 

[Mike_D202]

People are going to watch this because they love the original films, and they will be let down if there is no Marshmallow Man. Those of you who are saying "sounds good to me" is either being snarky, easily entertained or not fans of the original. At this point I will be shocked if Slimer shows up.

 

[Tanin]

Laziness is remaking a franchise and not taking the effort to bring back what classic characters people liked and want to see more off. Any villain, character and equipment in this movie will be compared to the original.

People are serisouly kidding themselves if they think having some other giant creature like a T Rex is not gonna just remind people who have seen the film of Stay Puft.

Laziness would have been recasting the characters to being the same people because they were scared no one would see the film without the original characters in it. Like Star Trek did.
I haven't read the script so I do not know if it is a beat for beat remake. I don't know if Gozer is even in this film. Just because the last ghost is going to be a T-Rex doesn't mean it will be in any way like the SPMM was in the first film So no.... when I see a dinosaur ghost running about I may think it a bit silly, I won't go... but it's not a giant marshmallow monster that makes no sense either!

 

[def28]

The film should remind you of the original and bring back alot of characters and elements. Time should be taken by the film crew on how to make that work and improve on it otherwise leave it alone. Make something else. The success and long standing fans of the first is the whole reason the films being made and grabbing attention. Expectations are there especially for iconic imagery, songs and characters and audiences will know it's not a continuation it's a remake very quick when they walk in. So these characters should be showing up since the original had them.

There's no reason to leave out SPMM. It's not a sequel.

 

[JangoNate]

Perfectly content if Stay Puft isn't in this. I just don't think he would fit. The characters are different, how they go about becoming Busters is different and the villain (from what I've read) is different. Why would they repeat the finale or try to make it better. If there's anything I've learned from the fans here and other places it's that you can't do it better than the originals.

So give me something new in the finale. Of course, if there's another thing I've learned from the fans it's that they'll complain if it's too similar and complain if it's too different. We just complain really.

On GBFans, an interesting point is whether or not you can have the Marshmallow Man without Ray Stantz. I mean, yes you can, but how could you do that without invoking Stantz because that villain exists because of who he is and what he loves. No Stantz, no need for Marshmallow Man.

 

[terry78]

None of them from what I've seen particularly is a female Stantz.

 

[def28]

Perfectly content if Stay Puft isn't in this. I just don't think he would fit. The characters are different, how they go about becoming Busters is different and the villain (from what I've read) is different. Why would they repeat the finale or try to make it better. If there's anything I've learned from the fans here and other places it's that you can't do it better than the originals.

So give me something new in the finale. Of course, if there's another thing I've learned from the fans it's that they'll complain if it's too similar and complain if it's too different. We just complain really.

On GBFans, an interesting point is whether or not you can have the Marshmallow Man without Ray Stantz. I mean, yes you can, but how could you do that without invoking Stantz because that villain exists because of who he is and what he loves. No Stantz, no need for Marshmallow Man.

If you wanted something new then remaking a movie with well known characters aint exactly the best way to go about it.

Don't get the logic here by some. But whatever. I think this films reaction will be an issue for failing to deliver on certain things the original did. People are walking into a film called Ghostbusters, if you don't think expectations will be on certain characters and images I think you are underplaying how audiences walk into remakes of iconic films.

 

[Tanin]

I understand your logic def28; I've just gotten over Bill Murray and Harold Ramis' 20 year fight and want another Ghostbusters film. I'm hoping for the best and just don't want Gozer and the SPMM back as villains.

I don't mean to imply others haven't gotten over the fight that kept them from making a sequel for so long. Just that I am ready for the next film.

 

[def28]

Fair enough. To each their own

 

[JangoNate]

If you wanted something new then remaking a movie with well known characters, aint exactly the best way to go about it.

Don't get the logic here by some. But whatever. I think this films reaction will be an issue for failing to deliver on certain things the original did.

Hey, I've said it many times before, but as a kid I fell in love with the idea of ghost busting. I'm in love with ghost wrangling, traps, PKE meters, funky lookin' cars and jumpsuits lined with wacky gear. My favorite character is Egon and he's not coming back. So as long as they have the above things, I'm fine and it's Ghostbusters to me.

We've had such trouble classifying this movie because it's not a traditional reboot or remake. That's why most call it an alternate universe. In an alternate universe you don't need Stay Puft or for everything to happen the same way as the original. I don't want it to. Plus, the reason Stay Puft is so friggin' awesome is because back in the day we were watching the film and wondering what crazy, creepy, scary creature was going to come around the corner to take out the Ghostbusters. We got a hundred foot marshmallow man and it was friggin' hilarious. Nowadays, that's not going to have the same effect. We need something new.

For the record, I'm not the biggest fan of what I read is the big creature at the end, but I'll give it a chance and see it in the context of a film and not a very brief outline of the movie.

 

[def28]

It's weird. I know most the internet hates who they cast, but that's like the only thing that has me feeling good about the project. I know all of them can make people laugh and I dig that they grabbed some lesser known SNL members.

It's the fear of Feig re-writting a half assed mythology that replaces the one that has worked that won't stop bothering me. A universe without all the classic characters and ghosts just pisses me off and always has me asking why bother?

 

[Tanin]

I am mostly worried it will just be a mix of the first two films instead of it's own thing. If I want the old films I own them already and I'll re watch them. I want a new story.

 

[def28]

I wanted a new story but where all the events already happened. Building and expanding on a property makes sense to me, taking away doesn't. Tough for my geek mind to accept haha.

 

[Tanin]

It's too bad it isn't Ghostbusters 3 Bringing in Dan to be a cab driver... Should of just had him selling them the building or something.

 

[def28]

Agreed

 

[sueb1863]

The first SPMM was such a great joke, you really can't do it again. I hope they do something completely different for this movie.

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, I didn't want Stay Puft to appear in this because it wouldn't make any sense. That was a manifestation specifically from Stantz's childhood memories. Since these are supposed to be different characters, it would feel weird and contrived to include it, imo.

 

[def28]

I really don't get that, maybe it's it's just me though. Obviously you have to set it up. It's not like anything has been established in this films new universe. They can't not include something the original people did or experienced cause they are just flat out not existing and they decided to reboot a previously established world. Doesn't mean you can't set things up, or that re-introducing things in a different way will be contrived, this series has to do that since it is completely rebooting everything. That's where the creative work needs to come on. These girls didn't create proton packs, Ghostbusters or the Ecto vehicles but obviously they have to establish that they did here. The argument that Egon or Ray did something so these girls can't seems pretty irrelevant to me when these girls are fully replacements for the base story. Certain characters, villains and ghosts just come with this franchise.

If this was a sequel I could understand that pov, and it would feel forced just to bring him back with new characters in that universe but it's a reboot that is taking heavy creative license with everything in the first place. So these older ideas/characters have to be introduced in a new way but not ditched. I've found it very odd that a few who are completely on board with the mythology changes still think that continuity almost needs to stay exclusive in certain areas when our original members don't even exist. All that flew out the window when they green lit this idea. Cutting corners in a situation like this will make it even the more frustrating. It really needs to be all or nothing.

[BLACKOUT]The T Rex idea ain't original. Dinos are gonna be everywhere in the next 3 years. [/BLACKOUT] SPMM was awesome cause it's an original/ odd and funny idea. It's trademark to the film, cartoon, game and series as a whole. Why would people not want the younger gen to have that? Outside of the Ghostbuster outfits and Slimer it's the most memorable thing. Every 70s, 80s and 90s parent out there is gonna want his or her kid to see what they grew up with on the big screen. And when it doesn't compare equally they are just gonna show them the original and bash this film. This generation of 80s and 90s children are extremely heavy and strict on their geek culture. They don't want people messing with their child hood classics, and this was one of the most popular out there.

Again, I think there will be an expectation for anyone who has seen the original (which is a lot of people) just based on being a reboot. And that audiences will expect/want to see their favorite characters, and then when they don't show up this will hurt the film experience for casual movie goers.

 

[Vaibow]

Should have been kept in same universe.

A young niece of one of the original Gb's finds her uncle's old work, let's say McKinnon's character - she realizes it's more than just hear say or a rumour/urban legend. She grows up loving the work, researching, wanting to continue it when a world is too busy looking into an iPhone in starbucks.

Her friends from university plus a room mate all humour her until things start getting weird again.

The world is so 'wired' up and 'polluted' with frequencies from wifi and such that the wall from another dimension is collapsing, can the girls come together to save new york once again?

There ya go. There's you premise and they are welcome to use every aspect of the original and fans would love it.

 

[JangoNate]

I'm not really a fan of the many variations of the premise that pops up now and again "The daughter of one of the Ghostbusters discovers the equipment." I really wanted a sequel, too... back in the 90's. But it's just been too long for me. All of these stories kinda remind me of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I'm pretty sure the studio thought we would want to follow the adventures of Mutt after the film. But the majority was like... umm... no. We're here for Indiana Jones (or Crystal Skull sucks!). If we actually got Murray, Aykroyd, and Hudson back we wouldn't want them to hang up the flightsuits and they'd overshadow the new team, even if they are really old and out of shape.

Feig's protecting those original films and distancing his from theirs to make something new. And I know many of us read a bullet outline of the film and there are similarities, but really they're reduced to they make packs, find a home base, get a car, and slowly form a ghost busting squad... the same thing any movie like this would need forming an origin story. It's the story in between, the one we don't know that counts and will differentiate us from the original team.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Sony and others conceived of many stories connecting the films. They're daughters, they're students, they're whatever... but, honestly, since so many of us have come up with the same idea like, "no duh, they should have done this," it doesn't sound any more original than doing an alternative universe. Only an alternative universe can do their own thing, and I hope they do.