Gi Joe

[Whiskey Tango]

You and everyone else are MISSING THE BIG PICTURE!!! The series, as a whole, is what we should be looking at - not single movies. In a multiple movie series of connected stories Snake Eyes story is a very large one and using it for one film is not a stretch in the least. Having it in the middle would be disasterous. Placing it in the front, or maybe even the end are the only real options.

Look at Transformers. How successful would it have been if Mike Bay had chosen to focus near-exclusively on say, Ironhide, while relegating the rest of the Autobots to the background?

There is plenty of room for Snake Eyes and his history without the rest of the Joes being forced to take a backseat. Why shove it all into one film anyway? I'd much rather see the Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow connection grow and progress from film to film gradually rather than wasting it all in a one-flick money shot.

It's like you have no faith in the potential of the series at all. You sound like you just want to make sure the Snake Eyes movie comes first because there might be only one Joe flick made. I'm not trying to be antagonistic but that's the vibe I'm getting.

Anyway, I'm more concerned about the possible ways they could mishandle Cobra Commander, which I'm sure I'll be ranting about later in this thread.

 

[mr. peasant]

Anyway, I'm more concerned about the possible ways they could mishandle Cobra Commander, which I'm sure I'll be ranting about later in this thread.

Agreed. I absolutely do not want to see a whiny, egotistical coward who screams 'retreat' more often than 'cobra'.

Personally, I'd like to see Cobra Commander as an actually credible threat, not only to the Joe team but to the whole United States or world at large(depending of the scale of the plot). Also, rather than show his origins as was originally suggested in the supposed first draft of the script, I think they should keep his past a mystery. In fact, if possible, keep him in the background as much as possible in the first film, only hearing his voice give instructions to his lieutenants. Alternatively, I reckon that setting him as an idealistic cult leader (his hood does give it that feel, no?) could work as well.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

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[OptimusCannabis]

If the goal of the movie is to make it be compatible with the cannon of the comics, then it's gonna be a disaster. NEWSFLASH: The comics are not perfect. The movie is going to have it's own canon, and if I were "prospective filmmaker," I would not want to be involved with a movie that allots me no creative freedom just because I'd be forced to adhere to the a pre-existing canon for a comic book that hardly anyone reads. Like I said before, thank God this movie isn't being produced by a bunch of purist fanboys like you, or it would suck.

First of all, I'm not a fanboy or a 'purist. Secondly, creative freedom exists in the choice of choosing comics or no comics. I've never even read the comics and could probably knock out an original G.I. Joe script much quicker, not probably - I could. There is so much creative freedom in a movie that it should not be an issue IF the proper talent is attached.
Finally, I'm in favor of using the comics at this point because quite frankly they are better than any other story anyone will come up with and they are THE ORIGINATOR OF G.I. JOE!!!

Um, maybe the fact that GI Joe was an action cartoon and an action figure?

Um, aren't you arguing FOR originality?

You're definition of a good movie is very warped, and no, people will not want to see the movie if they make it be what you think would be "good."

So tell me Mr. Lucas, what is a "good" movie.

LOTR did not have to be self contained because the previous film had always come out just a year prior, with the DVD being released right before the new movie would hit. The previous film was still very fresh in peoples' minds when the second chapter came out, so there was no need for a refresher. With GI Joe, at best we're looking at a 2-3 year gap between the first and second movie, with the third possibly being filmed back-to-back with the second (if the producers see it as a good idea). It doesn't have to be fully self-contained, but it should at least have enough refresher at the start that people can walk into it without having to worry about understanding all of the plot intricacies.

Why NOT film all three simultaneously? I don't care what they do to the first one, there will at least be one sequel and likely two. Why not film them all at once? Don't even say $$$ because it is probably cheaper to film three films at once as opposed to every two years.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

Look at Transformers. How successful would it have been if Mike Bay had chosen to focus near-exclusively on say, Ironhide, while relegating the rest of the Autobots to the background?

Get real!!! Ironhide is the equivalent of Wild Bill! We're talking about Snake Eyes man!

There is plenty of room for Snake Eyes and his history without the rest of the Joes being forced to take a backseat. Why shove it all into one film anyway? I'd much rather see the Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow connection grow and progress from film to film gradually rather than wasting it all in a one-flick money shot.

Uh... in reality, which JOE doesn't take a backseat to Snak Eyes? The money shot is what people want, that's why it's called the 'money shot.'

It's like you have no faith in the potential of the series at all. You sound like you just want to make sure the Snake Eyes movie comes first because there might be only one Joe flick made. I'm not trying to be antagonistic but that's the vibe I'm getting.

I have lots of faith in a G.I. Joe series, just not Michael Bay's G.I. Joe or Loenzo Di Bonaventure's G.I. Joe. I'M AIMING FOR THE BEST FRANCHISE OF ALL-TIME A-HOLE AND THAT WON'T HAPPEN UNLESS YOU FOLLOW THE STORY THAT'S BEEN AROUND 25 YEARS ALOT CLOSER!!!

Anyway, I'm more concerned about the possible ways they could mishandle Cobra Commander, which I'm sure I'll be ranting about later in this thread.

I perceive Cobra Commander as a sulking, brooding type almost a whiner but not quite. Of course, no one knows if he can fight or not because it seems like he is a coward in fighting. But in the end, win or lose, he shows what he's made of. I am in heavy favor of Crispin Glover for the role.

And this pic is actually how envision Cobra Commander, without the tatoos and broken nose.

 

[mr. peasant]

First of all, I'm not a fanboy or a 'purist. Secondly, creative freedom exists in the choice of choosing comics or no comics. I've never even read the comics and could probably knock out an original G.I. Joe script much quicker, not probably - I could. There is so much creative freedom in a movie that it should not be an issue IF the proper talent is attached.

Talk is easy. Yet, I've not heard a single original plot idea from you.

Finally, I'm in favor of using the comics at this point because quite frankly they are better than any other story anyone will come up with and they are THE ORIGINATOR OF G.I. JOE!!!

Technically, no. G.I. Joe is a product of Hasbro first and foremost. The comics came later as a means to promote the toyline (which will also be the motive of the film) and it was Larry Hama who first diverted away from the Hasbro canon by turning Snake Eyes into a ninja (at the time, he was a commando with a background in martial arts). I'm not saying Hama's decision was bad as it did launch a fairly successful comic series that lasted several years. However, the series has fallen into decline since.

Um, aren't you arguing FOR originality?

Originality is different from misdirection. Because of the military theme and the letters 'G.I.' in the name, people will be expecting a fairly action oriented movie, which is something the G.I. Joe series has always been affiliated with.

Why NOT film all three simultaneously? I don't care what they do to the first one, there will at least be one sequel and likely two. Why not film them all at once? Don't even say $$$ because it is probably cheaper to film three films at once as opposed to every two years.

But money is the factor. Granted it may be cheaper to film all at once, but it is a much larger risk. It is far cheaper to film one movie as opposed to three and then see the movie's performance to gauge future investments into it. And it's less risky too. Citing Lord of the Rings doesn't quite work as the producers were almost broke when filming was done. While it was a gamble that paid off, I don't see many producers willing to put that much on the line nor do I see G.I. Joe anywhere near able to match Lord of the Rings' success. Personally, I would love to see something like that happen with the Joe franchise, but alas, it just doesn't seem feasible.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

Agreed. I absolutely do not want to see a whiny, egotistical coward who screams 'retreat' more often than 'cobra'.

Personally, I'd like to see Cobra Commander as an actually credible threat, not only to the Joe team but to the whole United States or world at large(depending of the scale of the plot). Also, rather than show his origins as was originally suggested in the supposed first draft of the script, I think they should keep his past a mystery. In fact, if possible, keep him in the background as much as possible in the first film, only hearing his voice give instructions to his lieutenants. Alternatively, I reckon that setting him as an idealistic cult leader (his hood does give it that feel, no?) could work as well.

WOW! I actually agree with most of your points. He should be kept in the backround. And yes, he'd be great as an idealistic cult leader. Oh, Cobra Commander will be a global threat but as for his origins... I would only like shown his connection to Snake Eyes which was prior to his Cobra Commander days. Truthfully, it wouldn't have to be revealed that it was he who's brother killed Snake Eyes family and almost seduced Snake Eyes to Cobra until much, much, much later in the series. Most people won't know the truth so it would be a bombshell when revealed.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

Talk is easy. Yet, I've not heard a single original plot idea from you.

Yes you have.

Technically, no. G.I. Joe is a product of Hasbro first and foremost. The comics came later as a means to promote the toyline (which will also be the motive of the film) and it was Larry Hama who first diverted away from the Hasbro canon by turning Snake Eyes into a ninja (at the time, he was a commando with a background in martial arts). I'm not saying Hama's decision was bad as it did launch a fairly successful comic series that lasted several years. However, the series has fallen into decline since.

Yes, but the comics provided the first full story. If toys are going to be a motive for the film then it's a lost cause. The film(s) should be good enough on their own, without toys, and maybe toys come later as offspring of sorts. Snake is a commando and a ninja which is why you open with him. People obviously like action so open up with the most action packed character - DUH!

Originality is different from misdirection. Because of the military theme and the letters 'G.I.' in the name, people will be expecting a fairly action oriented movie, which is something the G.I. Joe series has always been affiliated with.

Of course there is going to be action, no one wants G.I. Pink. Just don't make the action scenes the motive to the story. A good and sound story with these charcters will provide plenty of action, it is inevitable. DON'T BLOW YOURSELF AWAY BY THINKING ABOUT THE BIG ACTION SCENES.

But money is the factor. Granted it may be cheaper to film all at once, but it is a much larger risk. It is far cheaper to film one movie as opposed to three and then see the movie's performance to gauge future investments into it. And it's less risky too. Citing Lord of the Rings doesn't quite work as the producers were almost broke when filming was done. While it was a gamble that paid off, I don't see many producers willing to put that much on the line nor do I see G.I. Joe anywhere near able to match Lord of the Rings' success.

It's a gamble yes, but sometimes you just have to roll the dice and pray for snake eyes.

 

[mr. peasant]

It's a gamble yes, but sometimes you just have to roll the dice and pray for snake eyes.

Well, when producers have to deal in the hundred million denomination, I think it's fairly understandable why they would be a little nervous on placing their bets on a single character who may or may not be strong enough to carry the series. It would be far safer to place their bets on a whole ensemble of characters, especially considering it is of this team that makes the title of this movie.

Oh yeah, and in reference to your comment about how the G.I. Joe comic storyline has been successful for 25 years, I did a little digging around and have found out that isn't the case. In fact, the Marvel run was from 1984 (2 years after G.I. Joe's initial launch) to 1993 at which point it was canceled. It took almost another decade before this line was picked up again in 2001 by Devil's Due. So in reality, the comic canon has only been running for about 15 out of those 25 years. And even then, its popularity peaked during the late 80's and has since been in decline.

Since the current popularity of the comic's canon in the general public is questionable, I think it would be fair for the scriptwriters to come up with their own canon, as long as they adhere to a few key points such as Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow's rivalry, Duke's position as team leader and Cobra as the enemy, under Cobra Commander's command. They might thus be able to better craft a plot that relates better to this current era and sensitivities.

And just for the sake of the argument, purely using events from the comic for the movie will reduce interest amongst non-fans. This is because anyone interested in the plot and outcome of the movie could easily find them on the internet and thus not have to watch the movie. An overall poor response for a movie would cause the franchise to come to an abrupt halt.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

Well, when producers have to deal in the hundred million denomination, I think it's fairly understandable why they would be a little nervous on placing their bets on a single character who may or may not be strong enough to carry the series. It would be far safer to place their bets on a whole ensemble of characters, especially considering it is of this team that makes the title of this movie.

There will be an ensemble of characters. No one is saying for Snake Eyes to carry the series, he can't. One film, maximum, he can carry and I am proposing that film be the first one.

Oh yeah, and in reference to your comment about how the G.I. Joe comic storyline has been successful for 25 years, I did a little digging around and have found out that isn't the case. In fact, the Marvel run was from 1984 (2 years after G.I. Joe's initial launch) to 1993 at which point it was canceled. It took almost another decade before this line was picked up again in 2001 by Devil's Due. So in reality, the comic canon has only been running for about 15 out of those 25 years. And even then, its popularity peaked during the late 80's and has since been in decline.

Uh... from 1984-2007 is 23, almost 24, years Einstein. Although it may have had some low points people are still aware of it. I'd be willing to bet that at least 2/3 of the U.S. population(200 million) know about G.I. Joe and have known for quite awhile.

Since the current popularity of the comic's canon in the general public is questionable, I think it would be fair for the scriptwriters to come up with their own canon, as long as they adhere to a few key points such as Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow's rivalry, Duke's position as team leader and Cobra as the enemy, under Cobra Commander's command. They might thus be able to better craft a plot that relates better to this current era and sensitivities.

Of course! We can't forget the politically correct 'sensitivities!' What would a movie be without some politically correct message 'green' messages. CONTROVERSY CREATES CASH!

And just for the sake of the argument, purely using events from the comic for the movie will reduce interest amongst non-fans. This is because anyone interested in the plot and outcome of the movie could easily find them on the internet and thus not have to watch the movie. An overall poor response for a movie would cause the franchise to come to an abrupt halt.

And anybody can get a bootleg copy of a movie before it's released, what's your point?

 

[mr. peasant]

There will be an ensemble of characters. No one is saying for Snake Eyes to carry the series, he can't. One film, maximum, he can carry and I am proposing that film be the first one.

But placing too much emphasis on him in the first movie will forcefully turn him into the position. I am proposing that the first movie should feature all the main characters, and staying away from their personal histories but rather on the events of the group's formation. That lends a lot better in explaining who these people are and what they're all about.

Uh... from 1984-2007 is 23, almost 24, years Einstein.

Did you even read what I said? The comic ran from 1984 to 1993 at which point it was discontinued. It took 8 years before it was picked up by Devil's Due in 2001. That means, 8 years hiatus (as far as commercially viable products not specifically targeting collectors is concerned). 23 - 8 = 15 years.

Although it may have had some low points people are still aware of it. I'd be willing to bet that at least 2/3 of the U.S. population(200 million) know about G.I. Joe and have known for quite awhile.

I'm not denying that lots of people have heard about G.I. Joe, which thus makes the potential audience very large. The thing is that they aren't intimately familiar or necessarily want a direct translation of the comic storyline. The movie has to cater to these people, as well as the long time fans of both, the comics, the cartoons and the toys, of which the latter two have focused more heavily on Duke in recent years.

Of course! We can't forget the politically correct 'sensitivities!' What would a movie be without some politically correct message 'green' messages. CONTROVERSY CREATES CASH!

It doesn't necessarily (as in without fail) create cash. It certainly generates more interest in the topic. Instead, it's more likely to discourage parents from allowing their children to watch the movie. And it is this demographic that G.I. Joe is meant to cater to. So, controversial issues, while may be more profitable for adult-oriented media, is more likely to be detrimental for children-oriented media.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

But placing too much emphasis on him in the first movie will forcefully turn him into the position.

This is where I think you're underestimating the audience. If they see the first film and see Snake Eyes rendered mute and faceless they WILL understand why his role is reduced. Even the final battle of the first film will feature Snake Eyes in a reduced role. Was Frodo the focal point in
The Two Towers? I don't think so.

I am proposing that the first movie should feature all the main characters, and staying away from their personal histories but rather on the events of the group's formation. That lends a lot better in explaining who these people are and what they're all about.

It will feature the main characters. Further, the major event that set Cobra Commander off and led to Snake Eyes going to China with Storm Shadow and their eventual feud WAS the death of Snake Eyes family and Cobra Commanders brother. Also, Snake Eyes story is the reason Baroness and Destro take up the cause.

Did you even read what I said? The comic ran from 1984 to 1993 at which point it was discontinued. It took 8 years before it was picked up by Devil's Due in 2001. That means, 8 years hiatus (as far as commercially viable products not specifically targeting collectors is concerned). 23 - 8 = 15 years.

I'm not counting the 'hiatus.' It ran for 9 years, went into hiding for 8, and has been back for 6. It never died, it has been alive, around, and known for 23 years.

I'm not denying that lots of people have heard about G.I. Joe, which thus makes the potential audience very large. The thing is that they aren't intimately familiar or necessarily want a direct translation of the comic storyline. The movie has to cater to these people, as well as the long time fans of both, the comics, the cartoons and the toys, of which the latter two have focused more heavily on Duke in recent years.

I'm not worried about catering to snot nosed punks. This is for the 19-25 age range first, 35-40 year olds second, and the fanboys third. In all cases
they are likely more closely linked to the G.I. Joe of the 80's.

It doesn't necessarily (as in without fail) create cash. It certainly generates more interest in the topic. Instead, it's more likely to discourage parents from allowing their children to watch the movie. And it is this demographic that G.I. Joe is meant to cater to. So, controversial issues, while may be more profitable for adult-oriented media, is more likely to be detrimental for children-oriented media.

Is this film(s) better if aimed towards young adults or kids? Young adults, of course. I say make the better product, (WOW what a concept!) The profits either would make will not be that different. Without mention is the fact that I think a more adult production would be cheaper to make.

 

[Timstuff]

There will be an ensemble of characters. No one is saying for Snake Eyes to carry the series, he can't. One film, maximum, he can carry and I am proposing that film be the first one.

People are going to go into a movie called G.I. JOE expecting it to be about SOLDIERS, so making the introductory chapter be about a ninja character rather than Duke, who is the quintessential soldier GI Joe, is a very dumb idea.

I'd be willing to bet that at least 2/3 of the U.S. population(200 million) know about G.I. Joe and have known for quite awhile.

Yes, but it's not going to have the same pull as Lord of the Rings. It's going to need bankability, and they cannot rely on name alone selling it.

Of course! We can't forget the politically correct 'sensitivities!' What would a movie be without some politically correct message 'green' messages.

Okay, finally something we can agree on. I do not want an over-sensitive GI Joe movie that doesn't have the balls to say it's okay to beat evil by force. GI Joe has always been pro-military, so that has to be accepted from the start. On the bright side, the Transformers movie is also pro-military, and that's days away from hitting the 600 million dollar mark. Clearly, there is room in hollywood for movies that portray the military in a positive light.

CONTROVERSY CREATES CASH!

Please, no. I am sick of movies trying to get attention by intentionally stirring up controversy, and a lot of times it backfires. By most people's standards I'd be called a moderate conservative, but I do not want GI Joe coming across like the movie equivalent Rush Limbaugh's ranting. Let it be what it is, and if some looney like Bill Maher wants to piss himself over it, let him. But that doesn't mean we have to throw apples at the hornets' nest.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

People are going to go into a movie called G.I. JOE expecting it to be about SOLDIERS, so making the introductory chapter be about a ninja character rather than Duke, who is the quintessential soldier GI Joe, is a very dumb idea.

He was a soldier first and the first scenes will likely be Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Stalker in a shoot 'em up war scene.

Yes, but it's not going to have the same pull as Lord of the Rings. It's going to need bankability, and they cannot rely on name alone selling it.

G.I. Joe won't have the same pull as The Lord of the Rings? You need to quit trying to disprove me and admit I'm right because with that statement... you have showed you're clueless.

Okay, finally something we can agree on. I do not want an over-sensitive GI Joe movie that doesn't have the balls to say it's okay to beat evil by force. GI Joe has always been pro-military, so that has to be accepted from the start. On the bright side, the Transformers movie is also pro-military, and that's days away from hitting the 600 million dollar mark. Clearly, there is room in hollywood for movies that portray the military in a positive light.

That's right. You go into a war with one intention: kick ass by any means necessary, don't candy coat it. War's ugly, maybe this movie(s) should be too.

Please, no. I am sick of movies trying to get attention by intentionally stirring up controversy, and a lot of times it backfires. By most people's standards I'd be called a moderate conservative, but I do not want GI Joe coming across like the movie equivalent Rush Limbaugh's ranting. Let it be what it is, and if some looney like Bill Maher wants to piss himself over it, let him. But that doesn't mean we have to throw apples at the hornets' nest.

I'm not sying intentionally try and piss people off if done the way it is meant to be it likely will 'ruffle some feathers.'

 

[Timstuff]

He was a soldier first and the first scenes will likely be Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Stalker in a shoot 'em up war scene.

So, you make a movie called "GI Joe," where the plot is that a soldier must become a ninja and defeat some terrorists. No, sorry, but that doesn't sound the least bit appealing. The central plot of the GI Joe movie should not revolve around the ninjas, because that would not satisfy the expectation that it will be a movie about soldiers. Like Mr. Peasant has said so many times, the movie needs to be an ensemble about how the team comes together. They can expand on the characters in the sequel, but expecting them to devote the entire first movie to Snake Eyes is just plain selfish, and I feel compelled to say that even though Snake Eyes is my favorite Joe. It just doesn't work. Start off Snake Eyes as a mute Ninja, and then explain how he ended up that way in a sequel, along with some other characters' backgrounds.

G.I. Joe won't have the same pull as The Lord of the Rings? You need to quit trying to disprove me and admit I'm right because with that statement... you have showed you're clueless.

Lord of the Rings is one of the most celebrated books in the past century (technically it's one book split into 3 parts). And it didn't rely on name alone to sell it, either. It had a VERY comprehensive marketing campaign, and ontop of that the movie itself was good. Lord of the Rings is an excellent piece of classic literature, and unlike a contemporary comic book that constantly changes, it did not need much re imagining to work on screen. However, Peter Jackson was not afraid to change things to make it work on film, however miniscule those changes may have been.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

So, you make a movie called "GI Joe," where the plot is that a soldier must become a ninja and defeat some terrorists. No, sorry, but that doesn't sound the least bit appealing. The central plot of the GI Joe movie should not revolve around the ninjas, because that would not satisfy the expectation that it will be a movie about soldiers. Like Mr. Peasant has said so many times, the movie needs to be an ensemble about how the team comes together. They can expand on the characters in the sequel, but expecting them to devote the entire first movie to Snake Eyes is just plain selfish, and I feel compelled to say that even though Snake Eyes is my favorite Joe. It just doesn't work. Start off Snake Eyes as a mute Ninja, and then explain how he ended up that way in a sequel, along with some other characters' backgrounds.

NO! The plot is the forming of G.I. Joe and it's feud with Cobra and the Snake Eyes personal story is the most critical to it.

Lord of the Rings is one of the most celebrated books in the past century (technically it's one book split into 3 parts). And it didn't rely on name alone to sell it, either. It had a VERY comprehensive marketing campaign, and ontop of that the movie itself was good. Lord of the Rings is an excellent piece of classic literature, and unlike a contemporary comic book that constantly changes, it did not need much re imagining to work on screen. However, Peter Jackson was not afraid to change things to make it work on film, however miniscule those changes may have been.

G.I. Joe is one of the most celebrated American icons. This movie, if done right, isn't going to rely on the name alone either. There WILL be a VERY comprehensive marketing campaign, and ontop of that the movie itself will be good. G.I. Joe doesn't need reimagining to work on the big screen either so WHY ARE YOU ARGUING FOR IT!?!?! There will be necessary MINISCULE changes and no one is going to be afraid to make them as long as people are pressuring to change everything, they'll welcome the miniscule changes and really do an excellent job on them.

Take Snake Eyes out of the film all together and what do you have? Not G.I. Joe. Now put Snake Eyes in and what do you have? G.I. Joe. SNAKE IS THE G.I. JOE FRANCHISE and if you don't do it my way you're going to get exactly what you're trying not to get. G.I. Joe works without Duke, it works without Hawk, it even works without Cobra Commander. You NEED Snake Eyes and his origins early and often otherwise he stels the show. That is what you're trying to avoid isn't it? Snake Eyes stealing the show and making the other characters irrelevant? You said Snake Eyes is your favorite JOE and it shows. You are subconsciously arguing for a Snake Eyes franchise.

I know for a FACT Snake Eyes isn't my favorite JOE. I prefer Gung Ho, Flint, and Shipwreck so they are probably the ones I am subconsciously trying to work in. But you sir, are a Snake Eyes slappy.

 

[Timstuff]

NO! The plot is the forming of G.I. Joe and it's feud with Cobra and the Snake Eyes personal story is the most critical to it.

The central figure of the movie is going to be Duke, since he's the leader. Snake Eyes is not going to be the key to the whole story, whether or not you believe that's how it should be.

G.I. Joe is one of the most celebrated American icons. This movie, if done right, isn't going to rely on the name alone either. There WILL be a VERY comprehensive marketing campaign, and ontop of that the movie itself will be good. G.I. Joe doesn't need reimagining to work on the big screen either so WHY ARE YOU ARGUING FOR IT!?!?! There will be necessary MINISCULE changes and no one is going to be afraid to make them as long as people are pressuring to change everything, they'll welcome the miniscule changes and really do an excellent job on them.

There WILL be changes, and if you reeled in pain throughout the entire production of the Transformers movie, I suggest you stop following the project now, because there WILL be changes that you will scream over, judging from your posts in this thread. Specifically, I am expecting hefty revisions to the Joes' backgrounds due to time allotment and the contemporary setting. Expect other changes as well, and not "minuscule" ones that people like you won't care about. I'm talking about things like Snake Eyes being scarred by a vengeful Storm Shadow instead of an exploding helicopter. I know from your previous comments that stuff like this would not be "minuscule" in your eyes, and those are the kinds of changes they're going to make.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

The central figure of the movie is going to be Duke, since he's the leader. Snake Eyes is not going to be the key to the whole story, whether or not you believe that's how it should be.

I'm not arguing that Duke will be the central character or the leader. However, if Duke IS the story then Snake Eyes IS the key to giving Duke a more 'mans man' type of feel.

I'll use The Lord of the Rings again because it's such a good example. Contrary to what some think, that movies central character was
Aragon but Frodo and the ring were the key. They were the 'key' in that they helped portray Aragon as more of an averge guy just struggling to get by rather than a great warrior who becomes the ruler of all the lands.

Snake Eyes will be the key in that he will make the JOES more identifiable with the average man.

There WILL be changes, and if you reeled in pain throughout the entire production of the Transformers movie, I suggest you stop following the project now, because there WILL be changes that you will scream over, judging from your posts in this thread. Specifically, I am expecting hefty revisions to the Joes' backgrounds due to time allotment and the contemporary setting. Expect other changes as well, and not "minuscule" ones that people like you won't care about. I'm talking about things like Snake Eyes being scarred by a vengeful Storm Shadow instead of an exploding helicopter. I know from your previous comments that stuff like this would not be "minuscule" in your eyes, and those are the kinds of changes they're going to make.

Then they are wrong and they're movie will suck more **** than they do and they don't know a damn thing about making a good movie. Like I said, they are business men and not filmmakers. We'll probably get this produced by the same group that won't pay Peter Jackson for creating one of the best films of all-time. They're wrong dude.

 

[Timstuff]

Snake Eyes will be the key in that he will make the JOES more identifiable with the average man.

Snake Eyes is a FREAKING NINJA. How would he be more identifiable to the audience than Duke? At least Duke resembles a real soldier, and a lot of people are real soldiers. I don't think that there will be a lot of real ninjas in the audience.

Then they are wrong and they're movie will suck more **** than they do and they don't know a damn thing about making a good movie. Like I said, they are business men and not filmmakers.

Uh-oh, did you see what I did there? You walked right into that one, and proved exactly what we've all been saying all along: you are a narrow minded fanboy, and if for whatever reason this movie is done ANY way other than how you want it, then you'll think it sucks.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

Snake Eyes is a FREAKING NINJA. How would he be more identifiable to the audience than Duke? At least Duke resembles a real soldier, and a lot of people are real soldiers. I don't think that there will be a lot of real ninjas in the audience.

I didn't say Snake Eyes would be more identifiable. Get your ***** straight or quit wasting my time with your drivel.

Uh-oh, did you see what I did there? You walked right into that one, and proved exactly what we've all been saying all along: you are a narrow minded fanboy, and if for whatever reason this movie is done ANY way other than how you want it, then you'll think it sucks.

That's not true, but we are more likely to see a bad movie if they continue with what I've been hearing.Oh, and please don't post your sex toys on here. This is for movie discussions.

 

[mr. peasant]

*Sigh* It's clear we're all stubbornly unwilling to listen to others. In order to prevent further pointless arguments using the same points over and over again, I suggest we move onto a different topic.

Given G.I. Joe's long history, I suspect there'll be quite a few tributes in the movie. Here are some I'd like to see

1. The battle cry "Cobra!" will be used once, possibly by Cobra Commander after an 'inspiring speech' to his troops as they go into battle at the climax of the movie.

2. The phrase "Yo Joe!" will be used at the end, when the team is first officially formed (assuming this is an origins of G.I. Joe movie), possibly in tribute to Joe Colton (if he dies).

3. The phrase "(And) Knowing is half the battle." is placed in somewhere (maybe by Duke when they first discover Cobra's plan?).

4. Larry Hama needs to make a cameo somewhere (like Stan Lee).

5. BAT technology (if used), or the brand behind it should be called 'Cybertronics'.

6. The word 'synthoid' should be thrown in somewhere during techno babble.

There, that should give everyone something else to quarrel about.

 

[tamron]

4. Larry Hama needs to make a cameo somewhere (like Stan Lee).

Hama should be Hard Master. Brief flashback scene involving words of wisdom to Storm Shadow and/or Snake Eyes, then get murked.

 

[OptimusCannabis]

*Sigh* It's clear we're all stubbornly unwilling to listen to others. In order to prevent further pointless arguments using the same points over and over again, I suggest we move onto a different topic.

Given G.I. Joe's long history, I suspect there'll be quite a few tributes in the movie. Here are some I'd like to see

1. The battle cry "Cobra!" will be used once, possibly by Cobra Commander after an 'inspiring speech' to his troops as they go into battle at the climax of the movie.

2. The phrase "Yo Joe!" will be used at the end, when the team is first officially formed (assuming this is an origins of G.I. Joe movie), possibly in tribute to Joe Colton (if he dies).

3. The phrase "(And) Knowing is half the battle." is placed in somewhere (maybe by Duke when they first discover Cobra's plan?).

4. Larry Hama needs to make a cameo somewhere (like Stan Lee).

5. BAT technology (if used), or the brand behind it should be called 'Cybertronics'.

6. The word 'synthoid' should be thrown in somewhere during techno babble.

There, that should give everyone something else to quarrel about.

1. Agree2. Agree3. Agree4. Why not?5. Why?6. Why? I agree 100% on the usage of the key 'phrases' but the placement of them is open for debate. I think 'Yo Joe' should be used by a female character towards one of the JOE males, to get his attention or something like that. You're going to hate this but it should probably be Scarlett to Snake Eyes. I think 'Cobra!' may be used more than once for I see Cobra Commander having a couple big speeches throughout the series.

 

[mr. peasant]

1. Agree2. Agree3. Agree4. Why not?5. Why?6. Why? I agree 100% on the usage of the key 'phrases' but the placement of them is open for debate. I think 'Yo Joe' should be used by a female character towards one of the JOE males, to get his attention or something like that. You're going to hate this but it should probably be Scarlett to Snake Eyes. I think 'Cobra!' may be used more than once for I see Cobra Commander having a couple big speeches throughout the series.

5. Just thought making a reference to Transformers seemed likely since both movies would have been made by the same producer and come from the same toy company. Alternatively, I can see Transformers toys being discretely placed in a toy store in some background (out of focus). It's just a typical in-joke.

6. Well, I figured they ought to since synthoid was a popular piece of tech and plot device from the Sunbow toons. So, it being randomly placed in there is just a sort of nod to the cartoons and a test for the old school fans' sense of hearing.

Using the infamous Cobra battle cry at the end when Cobra Commander decides to mobilize his entire army could potentially add to the excitement of the build up as it tells the viewer (though they ought to have figured out by then) to prepare for the onslaught that is the climactic 'final battle'.

Just throwing ideas out there to see what people think. I like your idea on how to use the 'Yo Joe' phrase (which is probably one of the cheesiest catchphrases ever coined); it's nice and subtle and makes complete sense in the conversation. Wait a minute, we're agreeing? What's this world coming to?

 

[OptimusCannabis]

5. Just thought making a reference to Transformers seemed likely since both movies would have been made by the same producer and come from the same toy company. Alternatively, I can see Transformers toys being placed in a toy store in some background (out of focus). It's just a typical in-joke.

6. Well, I figured they ought to since synthoid was a popular piece of tech and plot device from the Sunbow toons. So, it being randomly placed in there is just a sort of nod to the cartoons.

Using the infamous Cobra battle cry at the end when Cobra Commander decides to mobilize his entire army could potentially add to the excitement of the build up as it tells the viewer (though they ought to have figured out by then) to prepare for the onslaught that is the climactic 'final battle'.

Good point on the 'Cobra' thing. As for making references to other movies and cartoons, maybe. No one would notice, cybertronics didn't even register with me and I just saw 'Transformers.' Plus, if you believe in karma and such things, it wouldn't hurt to have the rub of an already succesful film franchise.