Godzilla vs Kong (2021)

[CB Fan]

Saw it at the theater today with mom and sis and we all agreed it was just okay. KoTM was better to us. Definitely want more monsters movies though.

 

[Schlosser85]

I’d rather get Vogt-Roberts or especially Edwards back.

 

[Joefixit]

Sexual assault allegations against Vogt-Roberts aside, I think Wingard killed it in terms of direction. I think he made a flat script come to life and he is the reason this has been a legit success so far.

To each his own. I felt like Vogt-Robert’s nailed it vs parts of this was just lost on me . There was really no consistency between this and skull island. I think with Robert’s it would have been a more consistent bridge between that movie and this one and to me that movie just flowed better than this. I can understand some may like the job Wingard did and can respect that, but for myself I can’t help but wonder what if Vogt-Robert’s had taken this project on and not turned it down when it was offered to him first.‘Skull Island’ Director Doesn't Want to Do ‘Godzilla Vs Kong’

Im not in a position to talk about legal situations as I’m not versed or knowledgeable about what your talking about in regards to charges against Mr. Roberts, so I will leave that out of this.

 

[Joefixit]

Just a thought, this does not rank in my top five of monster fights. I have ordered from best to worst as follows:

Kong vs V Rex in Peter Jackson’s King Kong
T Rex vs Indominous from Jurassic World
Kong vs Skull Crawler from Kong Skull Island
George vs Lizzie from Rampage followed by Godzilla vs Kong

I really liked Godzilla vs the mutos, but it just was not enough of it to see and the Ghidora match up was to much a callback to the Heisei era which to me was just a laser light show of shooting beams back and forth. I did like the 2000 Godzilla era when it got back to physical confrontations.

If I were to rank My favorite Godzilla fights it would be: worst to first

vs Mecha Godzilla and Titanosarus from the Showa era
Vs Gigan from the Showa era
All monsters attack from the 2000 era
Vs Kong Wingard film
Vs Destroyer ( as far a emotionally, this is probably my favorite, just for the magnitude of what was going on)

 

[kguillou]

I just rewatched Skull Island and I forgot how damn good that movie was. That is the clear winner in this monsterverse series. From the direction, to the characters that you actually care about, to the tight script, the gorgeous cinematography, everything clicked together. It almost makes you wonder what that movie did that the Godzilla centric movies cant seem to get right.

 

[Joefixit]

I just rewatched Skull Island and I forgot how damn good that movie was. That is the clear winner in this monsterverse series. From the direction, to the the characters that you actually care about, to the tight script, the gorgeous cinematography, everything clicked together. It almost makes you wonder what that movie did that the Godzilla centric movies cant seem to get right.

Agreed!

 

[Marvolo]

That Pitch Meeting really does a good job of showing just how goddamn stupid this film is. Adam really seemed to give zero ****s about franchise canon, the established world, or plot. If WB could keep Adam the hell away from all future monsterverse projects thatd be great.

 

[Joefixit]

That Pitch Meeting really does a good job of showing just how goddamn stupid this film is. Adam really seemed to give zero ****s about franchise canon, the established world, or plot. If WB could keep Adam the hell away from all future monsterverse projects thatd be great.

Agreed! It hit all the things that was lost on me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That Pitch Meeting really does a good job of showing just how goddamn stupid this film is. Adam really seemed to give zero ****s about franchise canon, the established world, or plot. If WB could keep Adam the hell away from all future monsterverse projects thatd be great.

Did you just ignore the other Pitch Meetings about the other movies, pointing out how stupid those ones are?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I’d rather get Vogt-Roberts or especially Edwards back.

I can't handle Edwards. He can't direct actors at all, and his flicks just feel so boring to me. Also after 4 flicks, his monster action looks 4th best imo.

Vogt-Roberts Is definitely talented, and knows how to shoot a flick, but I am not a fan of his other sensibilities, especially his sense of humor.

Wingard knows how to have fun, even with all the ridiculousness going on. His use of POV and turning the fights into straight up pro wrestling matches really worked for me.

 

[Joefixit]

Did you just ignore the other Pitch Meetings about the other movies, pointing out how stupid those ones are?

To be fair, this is like the endgame of the monster verse, so you would think it would do a better job of tying all films together a little better as well as be more inline continuity wise with everything that came before. It’s not a bad film, but again as I have said before a lot of it is really just head scratching.

 

[Joefixit]

I can't handle Edwards. He can't direct actors at all, and his flicks just feel so boring to me. Also after 4 flicks, his monster action looks 4th best imo.

Vogt-Roberts Is definitely talented, and knows how to shoot a flick, but I am not a fan of his other sensibilities, especially his sense of humor.

Wingard knows how to have fun, even with all the ridiculousness going on. His use of POV and turning the fights into straight up pro wrestling matches really worked for me.

I can totally understand where you are coming from and you are right Wingard knows how to have fun, he just leaves a lot to be desired continuity wise. He did a great job with Godzilla though. I can not say that enough.Definitely a high point for him, but everything else just missed for the most part. For some that( Godzilla) and the result of the vs match is all they wanted and I can totally understand that..

 

[DarthSkywalker]

To be fair, this is like the endgame of the monster verse, so you would think it would do a better job of tying all films together a little better as well as be more inline continuity wise with everything that came before. It’s not a bad film, but again as I have said before a lot of it is really just head scratching.

It's not Endgame. How could it be Endgame? There were only three movies that came out beforehand. Kong and Godzilla never even interacted until this flick. It's barely the first Avengers in terms of setup.

As to tying the movies together. The other flicks were lightly connected at the best of times. This movie was as connected as anything else needed to be, and had more connections to the past flicks then anything else so far.

I think this movie is big and dumb, but also a good time. It made me smile and not in the, "why you so stupid" kind of way the whole time. The best time I had with any of these flicks, even if they shortchanged Big G imo. That I watched all 4 in a short period really brought that home for me.

 

[Snow Queen]

I feel like all four movies are pretty dumb. The two Godzilla movies are dumb and boring with some cool monster designs, Kong is dumb but sometimes fun, GvK is dumb but fun about it. So I'll take GvK of the four easily. It's not a great movie, but it's stupid in a far more entertaining way than the last three and the human stuff actually had some material that was enjoyable - which is more than I can say for the others.

 

[Motown Marvel]

I want a Mothra movie. No real fights. Just Mothra going around doing cute Mothra stuff as girls cheer her on from below. And then she flies off into a rainbow. The end.

 

[kguillou]

I feel like all four movies are pretty dumb. The two Godzilla movies are dumb and boring with some cool monster designs, Kong is dumb but sometimes fun, GvK is dumb but fun about it. So I'll take GvK of the four easily. It's not a great movie, but it's stupid in a far more entertaining way than the last three and the human stuff actually had some material that was enjoyable - which is more than I can say for the others.

Having just watched Skull Island what did you think was dumb about it? It felt like a solid vietnam war movie but with a giant monkey as the adversary. The characters were very strong in that movie (except maybe save Hiddleston, I could've taken or left him lol)

 

[Snow Queen]

Having just watched Skull Island what did you think was dumb about it? It felt like a solid vietnam war movie but with a giant monkey as the adversary. The characters were very strong in that movie (except maybe save Hiddleston, I could've taken or left him lol)

I wasn't really big on the characters myself outside of Samuel L Jackson being pretty fun. It's got a very 'big Saturday morning cartoon' feel to it full of broad caricatures and characters from other movies... but I actually think that works fine to an extent because, like GvK, I don't think it takes itself too seriously relative to the material it has. I just think as far as big Saturday morning cartoon movies go, it's not as enjoyable about it as this one due to a couple threads that feel a little too dull. GvK risks that with one character, I think, but he's usually around so much silliness it ends up being alright to me. It's heads and tails (pun unintended but taken) above the two Godzilla movies though.

I will say, it was very smart of the military to bring Toby Kebbell along. He has a deep understanding of how an ape's mind works.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Having just watched Skull Island what did you think was dumb about it? It felt like a solid vietnam war movie but with a giant monkey as the adversary. The characters were very strong in that movie (except maybe save Hiddleston, I could've taken or left him lol)

Yeah, it's basically Full Metal Jacket, Platoon, or Deer Hunter.

Kong isn't the adversary. He's the protagonist of Skull Island. The character work is the usual blah stuff you see. It's a bunch of cliches parading around as characters. It's even that way with John C. Reilly, who while I like, is hard to take seriously.

As to the dumb in that flick. I feel like the methane sequence all by itself is a level of dumb, that makes GvK look like 2001 in terms of realism and plausibility. I am still trying to figure out how John C. Reilly survives the skullcrawler who just decides to go by him instead of kill him, but also can take large round bullets, but can't handle a dull sword. That doesn't mean it isn't fun. It is. Same with the final battle, that somehow gets Kong tied up in a chain because... it had to happen. It's dumb.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, it's basically Full Metal Jacket, Platoon, or Deer Hunter.

Kong isn't the adversary. He's the protagonist of Skull Island. The character work is the usual blah stuff you see. It's a bunch of cliches parading around as characters. It's even that way with John C. Reilly, who while I like, is hard to take seriously.

As to the dumb in that flick. I feel like the methane sequence all by itself is a level of dumb, that makes GvK look like 2001 in terms of realism and plausibility. I am still trying to figure out how John C. Reilly survives the skullcrawler who just decides to go by him instead of kill him, but also can take large round bullets, but can't handle a dull sword. That doesn't mean it isn't fun. It is. Same with the final battle, that somehow gets Kong tied up in a chain because... it had to happen. It's dumb.

Kong: Skull Island would have been amazing if it was about the Japanese and American soldiers needing each other to survive as they uncover the secrets of the island. Instead, that ends up as amazing off-screen backstory filled with meh action cliches. Seriously, the crew that went to Skull Island in this movie outside of John Goodman just gave me Predators vibes.

 

[Joefixit]

It's not Endgame. How could it be Endgame? There were only three movies that came out beforehand. Kong and Godzilla never even interacted until this flick. It's barely the first Avengers in terms of setup.

As to tying the movies together. The other flicks were lightly connected at the best of times. This movie was as connected as anything else needed to be, and had more connections to the past flicks then anything else so far.

I think this movie is big and dumb, but also a good time. It made me smile and not in the, "why you so stupid" kind of way the whole time. The best time I had with any of these flicks, even if they shortchanged Big G imo. That I watched all 4 in a short period really brought that home for me.

But even Avengers being the culmination of the first couple of films did a good job of tying it together. And the writer himself said this movie is the point they had been building to, so yes like it or not it’s the endgame or Avengers 1, either way being the culmination of the films. It’s disjointed and really does not bridge skull island to this at all, not to mention the mischaracterization of Kong. This film shortchanged Godzilla in no way. It was a coronation of his dominance and a lot of corners cut just to get there. I can just agree to disagree, because we both see different things when looking at this film. Solid film, but not one of my favorites.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Kong: Skull Island would have been amazing if it was about the Japanese and American soldiers needing each other to survive as they uncover the secrets of the island. Instead, that ends up as amazing off-screen backstory filled with meh action cliches. Seriously, the crew that went to Skull Island in this movie outside of John Goodman just gave me Predators vibes.

I agree with this 100%. The opening of the flick is by far the most interesting part of the movie, and thus feels like a tease for something far better then what we end up with. I still enjoy it though. Same with KotM. The first is just too self-serious for me to enjoy. Especially with the lack of action.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But even Avengers being the culmination of the first couple of films did a good job of tying it together. And the writer himself said this movie is the point they had been building to, so yes like it or not it’s the endgame or Avengers 1, either way being the culmination of the films. It’s disjointed and really does not bridge skull island to this at all, not to mention the mischaracterization of Kong. This film shortchanged Godzilla in no way. It was a coronation of his dominance and a lot of corners cut just to get there. I can just agree to disagree, because we both see different things when looking at this film. Solid film, but not one of my favorites.

Endgame it is not. This movie didn't feel like an end to Kong or Godzilla. So Avengers would be much closer. This was phase 1. Not a series finale of sorts.

 

[Roose Bolton]

In a fantasy timeline I’d want some kind of weird amalgamation of the previous directors. Have Gareth Edwards shoot it, have Wingard direct the actors and have Dougherty handle the monster half of the script (I think his take on King Ghidorah was my favourite thing in any of these movies) and then get someone else to write a very lean, non-offensive human component that can compliment that Monster stuff.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

In a fantasy timeline I’d want some kind of weird amalgamation of the previous directors. Have Gareth Edwards shoot it, have Wingard direct the actors and have Dougherty handle the monster half of the script (I think his take on King Ghidorah was my favourite thing in any of these movies) and then get someone else to write a very lean, non-offensive human component that can compliment that Monster stuff.

KotM is aggressively terrible with the humans imo, but I do like how "crazy" Vera is. It spices things up. But yeah, if that movie was just the "monster" bits, it would be rather awesome imo. Ghidorah's first sequence is absolutely awe inspiring for me.

 

[TheVileOne]

To each their own, but Skull Island was my least favorite in the series.

KotM is aggressively terrible with the humans imo, but I do like how "crazy" Vera is. It spices things up. But yeah, if that movie was just the "monster" bits, it would be rather awesome imo. Ghidorah's first sequence is absolutely awe inspiring for me.

I thought Bernie Hayes was terrible and annoying in this film, *Shrugs*

Honestly, some of the characters in Skull Island weren't much better.

I’d rather get Vogt-Roberts or especially Edwards back.

I'd prefer Mike Dougherty.