Sequels "Going Wrath Of Khan":The Official MOS Action Thread

[SuperDaniel]

There`ll be no Wrath of Khan...WB would be out of their minds to hire Singer...Well..they were the clowns who accepted his pitch in the first place so nothing surprises me.

 

[NotFadeAway]

Wow! Idiocy, exaggeration, and over-reaction prevails!



No, what I meant is he knows I'm not a reincarnation of one of the many infamous morons (i.e. Saph) who used to post in the Superman forums like you've wrongfully accused me of being.



Again, you accused of being a reincarnation of a previous (well-known) poster (which is quite aggravating I might add), so by unique I meant...well...unique.

And, yes, I am aware that you're a strong supporter of SUPERMAN RETURNS. What's your point? I never said you weren't. My entire previous reply was meant to attack you for automatically accusing me of being a reincarnation of a previous (well-known) poster.



Again, what I meant is he knows I'm not a reincarnation of a previous (well-known) poster because he knows me. I'm Dan. I've always been Dan. No one else. Now, as I said in my previous reply, I did used to have another screen-name very similar to this name, but not one you'd recognize because, as with this name, I hardly ever posted and mainly just lurked.



Uhh, no, re-read my reply; I never said you were jumping to conclusions about my like for SUPERMAN RETURNS; I said you were jumping to conclusions about me a reincarnation of a previous poster.



What I meant is that just because I'm a "newbie" with a low post count doesn't mean I haven't lurked on here for a long time; it wasn't mean to insult you in the slightest. Sorry about that.



How ironic you're telling me this when just shortly after you do just the same to me:



Explain to me why you just lectured me on not making assumptions about you when I cannot back them up when you just did the same exact thing to me here. Ladies, just because I have a passionate opinion about SUPERMAN RETURNS does automatically make me Saph. In fact, I don't even know who Saph is, although I'm aware of his name because I've seen Buggs wrongfully accuse another poster of being him before, just like you and Showtime are doing to me now. You people are as militant as Bush's neocons.



I don't understand why you people jump to conclusions when there is NO evidence that I'm Saph. How embarrassing this is going to be for you when the truth comes out that I'm not Saph. And you two have done this before to another poster. How pathetic. I already smell your credibility being flushed down the toilet. And soon every poster will be accused of being Saph by you.



And you're jumping to conclusions again. I cannot wait until you zealots are proven wrong.



Yes, you are correct. And if you had actually read my previous reply instead of jumping to asinine conclusions like you did, you'd know that I've already admitted to being a previous poster, but just not one that any of you would recognize because, like with this screen-name, I mainly lurked and hardly posted on SHH, much less in the Superman forums; I think I made one post in these forums on my previous screen-name, so, again, I wouldn't be anyone you would have encountered before.



Too slow. Like I just posted above to Buggs, go read my previous reply in which I admit to Showtime to being another poster. It's just in this case, it isn't a poster who you'd be familiar with as I hardly made a "name" for myself and posted probably once in the Superman forums.



Someone just like him? Christ, you all are acting like you knew me as Dan33977! I posted about ONCE before in the Superman forums under that screen-name, and it was in the sequel villain thread about a year ago! In fact, go check for yourselves: it's on the first page of the thread and it's hardly what I'd call a militant reply like you zealots are making me out to be. Plus, it was a year ago. You're acting like it's some huge revelation that I'm Dan33977. I hardly posted on it the extent that you've probably never even heard of the screen-name before now!



My God, give me some time, Buggs. We cannot all be patrolling this forum 24/7, ready to reply to someone IMMEDIATELY after they've replied. I'm sorry I couldn't be here the INSTANT you replied.

Having said all that, my previous reply was a bit over-the-top. Super Kal, I'm sorry if I offended you any way.

Hey, I just wanted to let you know that Superman Returns and Real Estate jackass Lex Luthor SUCK!

 

[Showtime]

Wow! Idiocy, exaggeration, and over-reaction prevails!

You make it so easy.

No, what I meant is he knows I'm not a reincarnation of one of the many infamous morons (i.e. Saph) who used to post in the Superman forums like you've wrongfully accused me of being.

Again, you accused of being a reincarnation of a previous (well-known) poster (which is quite aggravating I might add), so by unique I meant...well...unique.

And, yes, I am aware that you're a strong supporter of SUPERMAN RETURNS. What's your point? I never said you weren't. My entire previous reply was meant to attack you for automatically accusing me of being a reincarnation of a previous (well-known) poster.

Again, what I meant is he knows I'm not a reincarnation of a previous (well-known) poster because he knows me. I'm Dan. I've always been Dan. No one else. Now, as I said in my previous reply, I did used to have another screen-name very similar to this name, but not one you'd recognize because, as with this name, I hardly ever posted and mainly just lurked.

Uhh, no, re-read my reply; I never said you were jumping to conclusions about my like for SUPERMAN RETURNS; I said you were jumping to conclusions about me a reincarnation of a previous poster.

What I meant is that just because I'm a "newbie" with a low post count doesn't mean I haven't lurked on here for a long time; it wasn't mean to insult you in the slightest. Sorry about that.

I glided over your above speech and my eyes almost glazed over but I believe every paragraph basically says the same thing. I accused you of being Saph and you're not Saph. Does it say anything to you that your posting patterns equaled that of the one we call Saph? You may not be Saph, but you are a previous Banned Poster...Dan309483084093 or some such numerical combination. Who knows, keep it up at this level and you may just become him.

I do appreciate the apology though, you may be further away from Saph than I thought. That being said, I apologize for accusing you of being Saph, because I don't wish that on you.

 

[Super Kal]

dan, the reason we compared you to Saph is because he has a knack of insulting other because of their opinions.

Having said all that, my previous reply was a bit over-the-top. Super Kal, I'm sorry if I offended you any way.

it's alright...

just for future reference, please keep in mind that not everyone is going to agree with you. I'm not saying you can't love it... you have every right to love the movie, and I respect that.

just keep others in mind

 

[Dan]

I do appreciate the apology though, you may be further away from Saph than I thought. That being said, I apologize for accusing you of being Saph, because I don't wish that on you.

dan, the reason we compared you to Saph is because he has a knack of insulting other because of their opinions.

it's alright...

just for future reference, please keep in mind that not everyone is going to agree with you. I'm not saying you can't love it... you have every right to love the movie, and I respect that.

just keep others in mind

OK, now I feel like an ******* for my previous replies. Thanks for understanding, though. Ultimately, what matters is that all of us are Superman fans!

 

[Dan]

*double post*

 

[buggs0268]

so it was a fresh take, didnt know that

Yeah. The first guy who wrote the actual story, Salin I think, wasn't a trek fan at all if I remember correctly. And Myer only knew of Star Trek "That show with the guy with the ears". When he came on board a lot of things were fleshed out, and they did have a few story lines, and then Myer condensed the best ideas into one script after he sat and watched all 79 eps. Then he showed it to the cast who gave their input, and then did a final rewrite in a weekend addressing all the concerns the cast memebers had.

 

[Mr. Socko]

There's a reason critics recently listed Bryan Singer as one of the top 100 directors of all time (living and dead). You may laugh that 100 is a large number, but most of the ones included were obscure foreign directors, you’d never hear about. And, by the way, your precious Michael Bay was no where NEAR the list.

Harris............................................is that you?

 

[Dan]

Harris............................................is that you?

What? No, I was just pointing out that despite what some comic fanatics think, Bryan Singer is a talented, accomplished director in Hollywood.

 

[The Guard]

Where were we?

 

[Mr. Socko]

What? No, I was just pointing out that despite what some comic fanatics think, Bryan Singer is a talented, accomplished director in Hollywood.

Haha, I was just kidding. I'm a fan of Singer(loved X-Men), just didn't like SR that much. It had it's moments, but I didn't think it was great.

Where were we?

Where do you stand TG? For or against SR/Singer?

 

[buggs0268]

What? No, I was just pointing out that despite what some comic fanatics think, Bryan Singer is a talented, accomplished director in Hollywood.

Okay, but that doesn't mean he made a good Superman movie. In fact, he split the fan base and ticked off half of them. And the other half that liked it, a lot of them still had issues with it. Every good director has made a dog movie and this is his. Spielberg had one in his early career. Everyone does.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I agree Buggs.

 

[The Guard]

Where do you stand TG? For or against SR/Singer?

I rarely think in those terms. SUPERMAN RETURNS has both good and bad points in my mind. The good mostly outweight the bad (which can be classified mostly as annoyances). Singer's a great visual director, and SUPERMAN RETURNS was no different in that regard than his past films. There are some great shots and sequences. There are some truly great moments in the movie. I mean, we're talking about a movie that features a hell of a credits sequence, the return of "the theme", Superman catching a falling plane, lifting an island, stopping disasters in Metropolis, Lex Luthor beating the hell out of The Man of Steel, a pretty solid romantic sequence, Fortress stuff...there's too much there not to like at least some of it.

I was disappointed when Singer cut the return to Krypton. I think half the emotional weight of the film dropped off right then and there. Brandon Routh's performance on the Kent farm just didn't build that theme enough for it to last throughout the film. Martha Kent was underutilized and essentially wasted. I also thought Singer made a mistake not making Clark Kent more of a "character" and relying on him to be Superman's "mask", and while I liked the idea of a movie exploring whether or not the world needs Superman...it just wasn't explored in a satisfactory manner. The kid wasn't a terrible idea conceptwise, but he was annoying and cliche and not well executed at all until the final scene in his bedroom. Lois was Loisy enough for my taste, and I have few issues with her writing and portrayal, though Bosworth is not my ideal for the character. I loved Richard White, but that might be just because I really like James Marsden.

I thought Kevin Spacey did quite a lot with very little. Lex Luthor, however, as the movie progressed, was fantastically evil. My main beef with Lex in the movie is that his real motivations are never explored beyond "revenge". The thugs and his bimbo are what they are, no real issues there, though there was no need for the "out of control car" sequence, and no real payoff for Kitty/Superman's interactions.

I would prefer to see Olsen and White as more characters and not so much as comic relief/tension builders. Jimmy has never truly been "Superman's pal" onscreen, or even in the TV series, and White has potential that few ever tap into.

I was more or less pleased with the action. It's really a pretty big film when you actually sit back and look at the scale of things going on, and the action was fairly well done.

But if WB/Bryan Singer can find the right concept, I say give him another shot with MAN OF STEEL. I think a sequel has great potential. There were moments in SUPERMAN RETURNS that were awe-inspiring, and a sequel can build on that magic and hopefully bring more of it to the table.

I envision a sequel that utilizes Braniac, Luthor seeking revenge on a larger level, an exploration of Superman's kid, Superman and Lois, even Richard...could be one hell of a movie.

 

[NotFadeAway]

What? No, I was just pointing out that despite what some comic fanatics think, Bryan Singer is a talented, accomplished director in Hollywood.

The Usual Suspects and the first X-men!

Apt Pupil never impressed me much, and if Guard is talking about Batman Begins being overrated, then X2 must be overrated. Not a bad movie, but overrated.

 

[NotFadeAway]

Okay, but that doesn't mean he made a good Superman movie. In fact, he split the fan base and ticked off half of them. And the other half that liked it, a lot of them still had issues with it. Every good director has made a dog movie and this is his. Spielberg had one in his early career. Everyone does.

Agreed.....everyone has a bad movie!

 

[Mr. Socko]

Great post as usual TG. Very good points in there

 

[Dan]

I rarely think in those terms. SUPERMAN RETURNS has both good and bad points in my mind. The good mostly outweight the bad (which can be classified mostly as annoyances). Singer's a great visual director, and SUPERMAN RETURNS was no different in that regard than his past films. There are some great shots and sequences. There are some truly great moments in the movie. I mean, we're talking about a movie that features a hell of a credits sequence, the return of "the theme", Superman catching a falling plane, lifting an island, stopping disasters in Metropolis, Lex Luthor beating the hell out of The Man of Steel, a pretty solid romantic sequence, Fortress stuff...there's too much there not to like at least some of it.

I was disappointed when Singer cut the return to Krypton. I think half the emotional weight of the film dropped off right then and there. Brandon Routh's performance on the Kent farm just didn't build that theme enough for it to last throughout the film. Martha Kent was underutilized and essentially wasted. I also thought Singer made a mistake not making Clark Kent more of a "character" and relying on him to be Superman's "mask", and while I liked the idea of a movie exploring whether or not the world needs Superman...it just wasn't explored in a satisfactory manner. The kid wasn't a terrible idea conceptwise, but he was annoying and cliche and not well executed at all until the final scene in his bedroom. Lois was Loisy enough for my taste, and I have few issues with her writing and portrayal, though Bosworth is not my ideal for the character. I loved Richard White, but that might be just because I really like James Marsden.

I thought Kevin Spacey did quite a lot with very little. Lex Luthor, however, as the movie progressed, was fantastically evil. My main beef with Lex in the movie is that his real motivations are never explored beyond "revenge". The thugs and his bimbo are what they are, no real issues there, though there was no need for the "out of control car" sequence, and no real payoff for Kitty/Superman's interactions.

I would prefer to see Olsen and White as more characters and not so much as comic relief/tension builders. Jimmy has never truly been "Superman's pal" onscreen, or even in the TV series, and White has potential that few ever tap into.

I was more or less pleased with the action. It's really a pretty big film when you actually sit back and look at the scale of things going on, and the action was fairly well done.

But if WB/Bryan Singer can find the right concept, I say give him another shot with MAN OF STEEL. I think a sequel has great potential. There were moments in SUPERMAN RETURNS that were awe-inspiring, and a sequel can build on that magic and hopefully bring more of it to the table.

I envision a sequel that utilizes Braniac, Luthor seeking revenge on a larger level, an exploration of Superman's kid, Superman and Lois, even Richard...could be one hell of a movie.

Agreed.

 

[The Guard]

The Usual Suspects and the first X-men!

Apt Pupil never impressed me much, and if Guard is talking about Batman Begins being overrated, then X2 must be overrated. Not a bad movie, but overrated.

I never said BATMAN BEGINS was overrated (I rather enjoy many elements of it), just like I never implied Singer is the savior of Superman (The closest we came to that, believe it or not, was Brett Ratner circa 2002).

X2 is a very entertaining movie. However, like X-MEN, it's not really all that structurally well put together. Entertaining as hell, though.

 

[NotFadeAway]

I never said BATMAN BEGINS was overrated (I rather enjoy many elements of it), just like I never implied Singer is the savior of Superman (The closest we came to that, believe it or not, was Brett Ratner circa 2002).

X2 is a very entertaining movie. However, like X-MEN, it's not really all that structurally well put together. Entertaining as hell, though.

I should say Batman Begins is my favorite comic book movie of all time.....so far anyway.

This will surpise some due to my general dislike of Singer because of Returns, but I love the first X-Men. It was a good, low key character movie and I really thought it set the stage for something even greater. X2 was like a hott girl who is a dead lay, you keep waiting for it to get good, you wait, you, you wait....and thats it. X2 was a big lead on. And, like you said, structurally bad.

So you really thought Brett Ratner was the savior of Superman? Please explain I'm actually very interested.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I thought X2 was absolutely fantastic. I enjoy it as much as Begins, if not more.

 

[The Guard]

So you really thought Brett Ratner was the savior of Superman? Please explain I'm actually very interested.

He came close to being it. I say this because, from everything I've seen about Ratner's time on the SUPERMAN origin project, he got it. Ratner wanted a hopeful, epic movie about a young man learning to deal with his superpowers. An origin film that featured Jor-El and Lara, both Kents and adequate roles for Lois, Jimmy and Perry White. He took over from McG with that infamous JJ Abrams SUPERMAN script (which isn't that bad, and was much better later on). Ratner was quoted as talking about Superman's tradition (he was adamant about the red and blue "tights" look at a time when WB wanted body armor) wanted a Superman origin film that featured a corporate Lex Luthor and Kryptonian villains, massive action, powerful themes about alienation, learning to live with superpowers, and manhood VS Godhood.

Ratner chose to leave the project, stating it was over the difficulty of casting Superman. However, it was clearly mainly over the fact that Ratner wanted to scour the globe for unknowns, and WB wanted a "name" (I believe they were still courting Josh Hartnett at the time, and had made an attempt to get Brendan Fraser interested). Ratner apparently wanted Matthew Bomer to play his Superman. Ironically, Kevin Spacey was rumored to be in the running for Lex Luthor for that project, too at one point.

Had Ratner gotten his Superman actor, it makes me wonder what we could have gotten with the kind of budget WB was willing to shell out at the time and a solid script backing it.

 

[wellsy]

The whole him lifting New K was stupid. People in my audience in both shows were asking how he could do that after he was just standing on it and lost his powers. Also, while he was lifting this thing and was not even out of the atmosphere, pure pieces of Kryptonite where sticking out right next to his face. And the recharging thing was just stupid too. he was barely recharged, and also, he would have gotten a hell of a lot more recharged being outside of our atmosphere where there is nothing to block out the full rays of the sun. furthermore, if the gravity was low enough to keep NK in outerspace at the point that he let it go, then he would have floated out to space as well, and not back down to earth.

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Doesn't matter anyway, the WB is not going to make a sequel to it. It will be a reboot, or an offshoot of JLA. Once JLA info starts coming out and people say they like what they see more, the WB will scrap any SR2. I have a feeling that is what they are waiting for now. And SR has 2 top execs against it, and the top exec upset about the first one.

OK, with regards to the first paragraph; we've no idea how long it takes for Supes to charge up. For all we know, a short exposure to sunlight will charge him up, good as new (or you could be right). The reason Supes falls after he shoves it into orbit is Newton's 3rd Law, because an orbiting object is actually falling, but it is moving so fast that it literally fallss off the edge of the world (welcome to the Flat Earth Society everyone t: ).

And as for your prediction; I won't say you're right or wrong at this point, but saying that they will or won't is a dangerous game to play. You're all well aware that I'm concerned at WB getting ahead of itself by starting spinoffs from JLA even though nothing has been shot and there are concerns over the script (I'm yet to frequent the shiny new JL forums, so if something new has come up, then please do tell me). I've learnt, after many a hard loss at Warhammer Fantasy TT, you can predict the snake eyes, but never the double sixes.

 

[DIRECTOR]

I thought X2 was absolutely fantastic. I enjoy it as much as Begins, if not more.

I thought X2 wasn't all that great.

The problem with Bryan seriously is that there is a climax at the end of the movie, and everything that happens during the movie leads up to it, so the movie drags on and on.

Take for example the Spiderman movies, it's like every scene is exciting, something is going on in every scene, and every battle sequence doesn't lead to the final battle of the movie, the final battle stands alone.

In X2, that whole dam sequence with them running around and crap, that was the only action in the whole film

 

[DIRECTOR]

Oh, i forgot to mention

Bryan Singer did ruin Superman Returns, I have the movie on Blue Ray, and the movie is sooooooooooooooooo weak and boring and depressing. There were some scenes, but man, the movie was lacking the fun and excitment of Superman