Goku vs. Yusuke

[Ultra-Herald9]

Well guys I am a man who can admit when he is wrong and boy was I wrong about that Videl and Goku thing! I just assumed that she was around Chi Chi's range of power but thats what I get for not caring enough about Videl to study her power levels.

But what I don't understand is why people think that Goku at the begining of DBZ could possibly beat Yusuke at the end of YYH. Goku would be annihilated thousands of times over by Yusuke's Sei Kou Ki.

 

[ster]

knowing how to fly doesn't directly correlate with one's power level...

i believe goten was able to reach ssj level without having the knowledge of flight.

Did you decide to just completely ignore what I quoted you on? You were talking about flying long distance, not about the ability itself. And as for as how far/fast you can go, it does have to do with PL.

I just assumed that she was around Chi Chi's range of power but thats what I get for not caring enough about Videl to study her power levels.

Videl very well may have been as strong as Chi Chi, or close to at least... what's that got to do with anything?

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Well in the Garlic Jr. saga Chi Chi was quite the impressive fighter. I think that Chi Chi then could have beat old school Goku but then again Garlic Jr. saga was just a filler saga and filler often contradicts the real continuity.

 

[hulkamania85]

Goku. Goku can give Superman a good fight, which is no easy task. So Goku could easily take out a lot of people.

 

[ster]

But Superman can beat Batman, and Batman can beat Goku. Therefore, Superman can beat Goku.

 

[My vengeance]

But Superman can beat Batman, and Batman can beat Goku. Therefore, Superman can beat Goku.

Batman can beat Supes even without preptime!

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Yeah all he need's is a green colored stone, and than he can trick Supes to commit suecide.

Oh yeah, he have to claim that the stone is a kryptonite.

 

[hulkamania85]

But Superman can beat Batman, and Batman can beat Goku. Therefore, Superman can beat Goku.

I said Goku can give him a good fight. I didn't say anything about Goku winning.

 

[My vengeance]

^ I didn't think anybody was still willing to open up that can of worms...

 

[buutenks]

Well if it were goku after batteing nappa then goku,but at the beginning I say yusuke.

 

[Dark-Kenshin]

Oh man, Yusuke would POUND the living daylights out of Goku. Forget the beginning of dragonballz, I'm talking about SSJ3.

Now you Goku supporters think Goku is all that because he can blow up a planet? Hate to break it to you, but Yusuke can do so much more.

Remember that while Yusuke was fighting Sensui, Sensui told him that he could only use a certain amount of power to fight within the earth. Otherwise, it would be destroyed. He then told Yusuke he was using 10% of his power. So in short, Sensui can blow up a planet by just powering up. Something a dbz character has never done. At the end of YYH, Yusuke is by far superior to Sensui, and could clean his clock with ease.

Need more proof? It was stated than an A class demon's power is enough to end all life on the earth. An S- class demon is at LEAST 100 times stronger. Yusuke is an S+ class demon. Perhaps even higher, after training three years for the last demon tournament. And lets not forget what Genkai said about how easily the world would be destroyed, if he got angry.

All fieats which the Goku at the beginning of Z is not capable of. Not even SSJ3.

It would be a good battle, but I don't see Goku taking down someone like Yusuke. MAYBE Kuwabara, he MIGHT even tie with Hiei(most likely not), but Yusuke is in a league of his own.

Vegitto vs Yusuke is a better matchup.

 

[buutenks]

Yusuke at the end of Yu-Yu Hakusho could wipe the floor with Goku at the beginning of DBZ. Did anyone see what Yusuke did to Sensui and that wasn't even at his peak. That Goku couldn't even fly yet and still had to use the kamehameha wave to propel himself across long distances. Goku was shocked when Raditz destroyed a mountain with an energy blast while Yusuke and Sensui were destroying mountains with the shockwaves of their blows. I think Yusuke by the end Yu-Yu Hakusho had power comparable to Uub at the world tournement except with alot more fighting skill and better energy control.

1. Yusuke doesn't stand a chance against Ubuu

2.I agree that Yusuke will defeat beginning of dragonball Goku but he loses badly to sayan saga Goku,one planet busting kameha and Yusuke is dead.

3.Freeza saga Goku is way faster then Yusuke

4.a ssj is more durable then a planet.

 

[buutenks]

Oh man, Yusuke would POUND the living daylights out of Goku. Forget the beginning of dragonballz, I'm talking about SSJ3.

Now you Goku supporters think Goku is all that because he can blow up a planet? Hate to break it to you, but Yusuke can do so much more.

Remember that while Yusuke was fighting Sensui, Sensui told him that he could only use a certain amount of power to fight within the earth. Otherwise, it would be destroyed. He then told Yusuke he was using 10% of his power. So in short, Sensui can blow up a planet by just powering up. Something a dbz character has never done. At the end of YYH, Yusuke is by far superior to Sensui, and could clean his clock with ease.

Need more proof? It was stated than an A class demon's power is enough to end all life on the earth. An S- class demon is at LEAST 100 times stronger. Yusuke is an S+ class demon. Perhaps even higher, after training three years for the last demon tournament. And lets not forget what Genkai said about how easily the world would be destroyed, if he got angry.

All fieats which the Goku at the beginning of Z is not capable of. Not even SSJ3.

It would be a good battle, but I don't see Goku taking down someone like Yusuke. MAYBE Kuwabara, he MIGHT even tie with Hiei(most likely not), but Yusuke is in a league of his own.

Vegitto vs Yusuke is a better matchup.

When Yusuke will destroy mountain ranges just by the shockwave of his punches he can hang in a fist fight with a ssj2,now in durability a nuke level or above will kill Yusuke a ssj can survive the explosion of a planet,now a planet busting kameha will kill Yusuke and in speed Freeza saga Goku is above Yusuke.

 

[Dark-Kenshin]

[Freeza saga Goku is way faster then Yusuke]

PUH-LEASE. Yusuke was hitting the speed of light during his fight with Toguro. Goku can't do that without Instant transmission.

[a ssj is more durable then a planet.]

So is Yusuke. All the blast he took head on from Yomi prove that.

 

[buutenks]

Oh man, Yusuke would POUND the living daylights out of Goku. Forget the beginning of dragonballz, I'm talking about SSJ3.

Now you Goku supporters think Goku is all that because he can blow up a planet? Hate to break it to you, but Yusuke can do so much more.

Remember that while Yusuke was fighting Sensui, Sensui told him that he could only use a certain amount of power to fight within the earth. Otherwise, it would be destroyed. He then told Yusuke he was using 10% of his power. So in short, Sensui can blow up a planet by just powering up. Something a dbz character has never done. At the end of YYH, Yusuke is by far superior to Sensui, and could clean his clock with ease.

Need more proof? It was stated than an A class demon's power is enough to end all life on the earth. An S- class demon is at LEAST 100 times stronger. Yusuke is an S+ class demon. Perhaps even higher, after training three years for the last demon tournament. And lets not forget what Genkai said about how easily the world would be destroyed, if he got angry.

All fieats which the Goku at the beginning of Z is not capable of. Not even SSJ3.

It would be a good battle, but I don't see Goku taking down someone like Yusuke. MAYBE Kuwabara, he MIGHT even tie with Hiei(most likely not), but Yusuke is in a league of his own.

Vegitto vs Yusuke is a better matchup.

And Yusuke could probably lift at the end of the show up to 100.000.000 tons.

 

[buutenks]

[Freeza saga Goku is way faster then Yusuke]

PUH-LEASE. Yusuke was hitting the speed of light during his fight with Toguro. Goku can't do that without Instant transmission.

[a ssj is more durable then a planet.]

So is Yusuke. All the blast he took head on from Yomi prove that.

That was in the anime in the manga the IT wasn't stated to be light speed and you have no proof that Yusuke was moving at light speed.

 

[Dark-Kenshin]

When Yusuke will destroy mountain ranges just by the shockwave of his punches he can hang in a fist fight with a ssj2,now in durability a nuke level or above will kill Yusuke a ssj can survive the explosion of a planet,now a planet busting kameha will kill Yusuke and in speed Freeza saga Goku is above Yusuke.

He was doing more than that during his fight with Sensui and Yomi. Heck, during the saint beast arc, Yusuke's fighting grew so intense, that it effected the ningen(human) dimension, hence saving keiko. Lets not forget all of those tornados that appeared while Yusuke was battling Sensui. As for the planet destruction, it is well stated within canon that S class fighters can easily destroy planets. Yusuke was hit by Yomi's blast, so that is proof that he can resist it.

Now for my speculation: Yusuke is immortal. His demon powers have brought him back to life once already. And he is a phoenix demon. A phoenix always comes back to life. So if Goku managed to kill Yusuke, he would just get back up.

 

[Dark-Kenshin]

And Yusuke could probably lift at the end of the show up to 100.000.000 tons.

Don't know whether you're trying to be sarcastic or not, but I highly doubt it.

 

[buutenks]

[Freeza saga Goku is way faster then Yusuke]

PUH-LEASE. Yusuke was hitting the speed of light during his fight with Toguro. Goku can't do that without Instant transmission.

[a ssj is more durable then a planet.]

So is Yusuke. All the blast he took head on from Yomi prove that.

How big was the blast?(I didn't saw the first episode of the fight)

Hey I'm a dbz fan and YYH fan,so to me if Yusuke wins it's no problem if Goku wins it's no problem I'm just going by the feats the charecter did.

 

[buutenks]

Don't know whether you're trying to be sarcastic or not, but I highly doubt it.

Toguro at 30% lifted the whole ring with easy and that ring weighed up to 100 tons now at 120% he is about 100 times stronger,and Yusuke at the end of the show is about 100 times stronger then 120% Toguro.

 

[buutenks]

He was doing more than that during his fight with Sensui and Yomi. Heck, during the saint beast arc, Yusuke's fighting grew so intense, that it effected the ningen(human) dimension, hence saving keiko. Lets not forget all of those tornados that appeared while Yusuke was battling Sensui. As for the planet destruction, it is well stated within canon that S class fighters can easily destroy planets. Yusuke was hit by Yomi's blast, so that is proof that he can resist it.

Now for my speculation: Yusuke is immortal. His demon powers have brought him back to life once already. And he is a phoenix demon. A phoenix always comes back to life. So if Goku managed to kill Yusuke, he would just get back up.

Nope Yusuke isn't immortal.

 

[buutenks]

He was doing more than that during his fight with Sensui and Yomi. Heck, during the saint beast arc, Yusuke's fighting grew so intense, that it effected the ningen(human) dimension, hence saving keiko. Lets not forget all of those tornados that appeared while Yusuke was battling Sensui. As for the planet destruction, it is well stated within canon that S class fighters can easily destroy planets. Yusuke was hit by Yomi's blast, so that is proof that he can resist it.

Now for my speculation: Yusuke is immortal. His demon powers have brought him back to life once already. And he is a phoenix demon. A phoenix always comes back to life. So if Goku managed to kill Yusuke, he would just get back up.

But those are statements not feats,but still they could probably be right or wrong.

 

[Dark-Kenshin]

That was in the anime in the manga the IT wasn't stated to be light speed and you have no proof that Yusuke was moving at light speed.

Did you not see that part of the fight in which where Yusuke instantly appears behind Toguro, and that his physical body took on the form of light? Or the part in which where he was holding Toguro's arm one second, and was punching his face during the same second.

Regardless of what speed I.T moves at, Goku has to pause, and find where he wants to teleport, in order to do this. He won't get the chance in a fight with Yusuke.

Alas, this reminds me of another argument. At the very beginning of the series, Yusuke used his spirit gun to fire off of a mirror, and hit hiei. How? Because the spirit gun has the properties of light energy? So what's this say? That his spirit gun moves at light speed as well. Keep in mind, this was at the begining of the series. He gets MUCH MUCH faster throughout the series.

 

[buutenks]

Did you not see that part of the fight in which where Yusuke instantly appears behind Toguro, and that his physical body took on the form of light? Or the part in which where he was holding Toguro's arm one second, and was punching his face during the same second.

Regardless of what speed I.T moves at, Goku has to pause, and find where he wants to teleport, in order to do this. He won't get the chance in a fight with Yusuke.

Alas, this reminds me of another argument. At the very beginning of the series, Yusuke used his spirit gun to fire off of a mirror, and hit hiei. How? Because the spirit gun has the properties of light energy? So what's this say? That his spirit gun moves at light speed as well. Keep in mind, this was at the begining of the series. He gets MUCH MUCH faster throughout the series.

That's not light speed,end of dragonball Goku was moving so fast that he was invisible does that mean he's moving at light speed?

 

[Dark-Kenshin]

{How big was the blast?(I didn't saw the first episode of the fight)

Hey I'm a dbz fan and YYH fan,so to me if Yusuke wins it's no problem if Goku wins it's no problem I'm just going by the feats the charecter did.}

Does it matter how big the blast was? After all, didn't frieza destroy worlds with finger blast?

{Toguro at 30% lifted the whole ring with easy and that ring weighed up to 100 tons now at 120% he is about 100 times stronger,and Yusuke at the end of the show is about 100 times stronger then 120% Toguro.}

I guess you're right then.

{But those are statements not feats,but still they could probably be right or wrong.}

Well it's true that no character has ever been shown to have destroyed a planet, but I don't recall one instance in which Goku has destroyed a planet either. They didn't do this on YYH, because YYH didn't involve aliens, thus making a perfect excuse to destroy other worlds.