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Sequels Grant Curtis wants the Lizard

Producer Grant Curtis says he wants the Lizard in Spidey 4!

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http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5760

"For me it's hard to beat the Lizard, it truly is. That's just me talking. I think the Lizard has got a great story of not only personal pain but also emotional pain, and trying to mask both of those, it's a strong storyline. The Lizard has always been a favorite of mine, even before working on these movies. I've always liked Kraven The Hunter, but he'd have to be used selectively. For me though it would have to be the Lizard."

Sounds good to me. I think the Lizard is the obvious choice for the next film. I hope they do it.


It's gonna happen. You can feel it in the air. :word:
 
Yes, Dr. Octopus was one of the better villians of the movies. The point behind my reasoning of not wanting Connors as the Lizard in SM4 is because there has been no indication of him being interested in lizard DNA to create a regeneration serum for human limbs.

I know Doc Ocks origin was explained and altered in SM2, but there was only one villian in that movie. To me, the character of Dr. Connors closely resembles that of Harry Osborn in the movies. Harry had little screen time in SM1, became more of a distinguished character in SM2, and became a full villian/anti-hero in SM3. My point is that Connors has not been explained enough to the ordinary movie-going audience. For all they know, he is just Peter's one-armed physics professor from SM2 and SM3. Don't get me wrong, the Lizard is one of my favorite villians, but I still feel it is too early to make him become a primary antagonist in the next Spider-Man film.

Nah, Conners' time is now. You see, just like how Ock told us of his plans for nuclear fusion, Conners can easily do
the same regarding his arm and his experiments using lizard DNA. Hell, its something that doesn't require deep exploration
but can be done in a matter of minutes.

Did we need a hint of his experiments? No but would it have been nice? Hell yeah! Fortunately, Conners' story to people outside
of comics is at least familiar.
Even if Conners as the lizard turns out to be he only villain in sm4 or shares it with another (Kraven, fingers crossed) his story of
origin still carries the same weight amd won't come off as rushed and contrived.

Conners doesn't need any more additional explaining prior for the light to now shine on him. He is exactly what you said the gp percieve him as
and thats a 1 armed physics professor. He got a name drom in sm1, was physically introduced in sm2, was explored a little for sm3 so for sm4 he can now take the spot light and have his life thrown in our faces.

To be honest, I'd applaud Sony (even though I know it'll never happen) if they had sm4 follow the route of the 90s animated series by having Conners already as the lizard and we see his origin as a flashback memory. Or, if sm4 started out with Conners thinking back to how he had his arm, how he then lost it and we see him clearly deep in study and research and on the brink of discovering a serum, whislt looking worse for wear.

Conners' story is so easy to tell in a coherent manner that not using him now for sm4 would just end up being a waste. Conners' time is now and it can be done just as easy if not easier than Ock's, sandman's and Norman's.
 
I still say that if Sam, Tobey and Kirsten don't return for SM4 (which is a distinct possibility), then EVERYTHING is going out the window and it could be a big do-over. We know nothing of what could be in SM4 at this point.


If the Lizard's time on the big screen does indeed come sometime in the near future, I just hope that his character is treated with more respect than Sandman or Venom were in SM3.
 
I still say that if Sam, Tobey and Kirsten don't return for SM4 (which is a distinct possibility), then EVERYTHING is going out the window and it could be a big do-over. We know nothing of what could be in SM4 at this point.


If the Lizard's time on the big screen does indeed come sometime in the near future, I just hope that his character is treated with more respect than Sandman or Venom were in SM3.

Well, his alter-ego seems to have gotten plenty of respect in the past few movies, so that makes me confident The Lizard will get some as well. :up:
 
They can flesh out Connors well enough in a single movie, as long as Raimi isn't forced to put a PG-13 CARNAGE (all kiddy-fied and cute) taking up Connors/The Lizard's screentime. These are freakin' 2 hour movies, not comic books where you can flesh out a character over years.

How the hell can people say it's too soon to make The Lizard a villain, we're FOUR movies into the franchise? The Lizard deserved to be in Spider-Man before Sandman and Venom. The time for The Lizard is now, no more waiting.
 
The Lizard deserved to be in Spider-Man before Sandman and Venom. The time for The Lizard is now, no more waiting.

Indeed. I wonder what kind of film SM3 could have been if it had just been Harry (as a REAL goblin, not a sky-surfer) and the Lizard. Sandman and Venom were big mistakes.
 
The Lizard certainly deserves to be in a movie now.
 
Nah, Conners' time is now. You see, just like how Ock told us of his plans for nuclear fusion, Conners can easily do
the same regarding his arm and his experiments using lizard DNA. Hell, its something that doesn't require deep exploration
but can be done in a matter of minutes.

Did we need a hint of his experiments? No but would it have been nice? Hell yeah! Fortunately, Conners' story to people outside
of comics is at least familiar.
Even if Conners as the lizard turns out to be he only villain in sm4 or shares it with another (Kraven, fingers crossed) his story of
origin still carries the same weight amd won't come off as rushed and contrived.

Conners doesn't need any more additional explaining prior for the light to now shine on him. He is exactly what you said the gp percieve him as
and thats a 1 armed physics professor. He got a name drom in sm1, was physically introduced in sm2, was explored a little for sm3 so for sm4 he can now take the spot light and have his life thrown in our faces.

To be honest, I'd applaud Sony (even though I know it'll never happen) if they had sm4 follow the route of the 90s animated series by having Conners already as the lizard and we see his origin as a flashback memory. Or, if sm4 started out with Conners thinking back to how he had his arm, how he then lost it and we see him clearly deep in study and research and on the brink of discovering a serum, whislt looking worse for wear.

Conners' story is so easy to tell in a coherent manner that not using him now for sm4 would just end up being a waste. Conners' time is now and it can be done just as easy if not easier than Ock's, sandman's and Norman's.

OK, I see where you are comming from. I still think otherwise, but I would love to see a Lizard/Connors/Spidey story in at least one future sequel. I would also like to see more of focus on Connors before he becomes the Lizard. I think your idea of the animated series is cool, but Sony will probably go a different route
 
Great news. I have always considered the Lizard as well as the original Green Goblin as my personal favorite villians in the Spider-Man comics. I also dig the fact Curtis likes the idea of Kraven the Hunter, who would fit nicely with the Lizard in a Spider-Man sequel. After all, Kraven was one of only a handful of villians to defeat Spidey as he burried him alive...

My only complaint is that I think Dylan Baker's Connors needs to have a setup movie (assuming all the primary cast comes back), much like Harry Osborn had in SM2.
Couldn't the alien costume fragments from 3 that Connors have be part of what he uses to develop the formula that changes him?
I have always liked the possibility of SM4 having only one villian, and then having two in SM5. For example, the Scorpion could be used in the fourth movie,with a Connors/Lizard sub-plot. Think of it-someone else besides MJ could be kidnapped by the villian. In this case it could be JJJ by the Scorpion. Here's a way to get the J.K. Simmons more involved in the movies...

What if MJ has a cameo role at the end and the rest of the film is Peter and Gwen Stacy. Gwen ends up meeting her comic book fate at the hands of the Lizard instead of the Goblin, and MJ returns a successful actress at the end to help Peter pick up the pieces of his life.
 
Nobody jumped at the chance to correct my never-ending mispelling of Connors....what is the hype coming to?
 
Nobody jumped at the chance to correct my never-ending mispelling of Connors....what is the hype coming to?

I've given up on correcting people for that. Bendis insisting on spelling it "Conners" in the Ultimate Spidey comic just made things worse.
 
Do we all like Dylan Baker?
I mean, he might've been good for a camero since he really looks like Doc Conners from the original comic. But do you think Baker can play a main villain?
 
Do we all like Dylan Baker?
I mean, he might've been good for a camero since he really looks like Doc Conners from the original comic. But do you think Baker can play a main villain?

I shouldn't see why not. He's played the character well, I think. And it's not as if he'd necessarily be playing "The Lizard," exactly. When he's in Lizard mode, they could very easily use a different voice, or an altered version of his voice. Beyond that, I'm sure he'll be fine.
 
When he's in Lizard mode, they could very easily use a different voice, or an altered version of his voice. Beyond that, I'm sure he'll be fine.

Sure hope so! That would suck if they just did what they did with Venom, and left his voice almost unaltered. :cmad:
 
Sure hope so! That would suck if they just did what they did with Venom, and left his voice almost unaltered. :cmad:

I can't imagine they WOULDN'T change it. I could buy Venom's voice unaltered more easily than Lizard... I mean Lizard's basic body structure is changing. Plus, can you imagine how ridiculous it would look to see Dylan Baker's voice coming out of a Lizard creature?

But the unaltered Topher Grace voice was a bit of a problem... don't get me wrong, I loved him in that role. Second best part of the movie (second to James Franco's preformance), but coming out of Venom, it was a little silly. And it just made the worst scene in the movie even worse.

The scene I am talking about, of course, is the scene where Sandman and Venom meet. It was so sloppily shoved in there, it had the WORST dialogue in the entire series ("I don't like Spider-Man!" "I wanna kill the Spider, you wanna kill the Spider..."), it was completely illogical, and Venom's face looked absolutely stupid. Biggest budget in movie history, and they couldn't give Venom a realistic looking face? I really liked the movie but I hated that scene so much. Thank God they had Topher Grace "unmasked" for most of it. He was badass during those parts.

Okay. Done with unrelated ranting.
 
Of course he wants the Lizard. We all want the Lizard. He is one of Spider-Man's best villains, as he has an emotional impact on not only Spider-Man, but also Connor's family. Plus, he is a major physical threat. He provides much more than most Spider-Man villains can, and that is why he is one of Spidey's best villains.

Now, they better take Kraven as villain number 2, and not let the pressure to do Carnage place him in this movie (you know after Venom, the studio will want it).

Just pray man... pray... but I am not optimistic as long as Avi Fagg0t Ass Arad is running the show
 
Just pray man... pray... but I am not optimistic as long as Avi Fagg0t Ass Arad is running the show

^
I can just imagine him doing the same thing telling Raimi to put in Carnage and then later we find out that Raimi had to take Kraven out to put Carnage in.

Then in SM5 Avi could be trying to ge the director to put in Toxin or some other symbiote villain again.
 
Spider-Man 4 should focus on two things: The Lizard, and the marriage of Peter and Mary Jane. Maybe it can fit in the death of Captain Stacy, too.

The Lizard is one of the best villains in Spider-Man. He's always been a favorite of mine, and he has enough story to cover an entire movie. I'm sure of it. Dr. Conners shouldn't die at the end of the film, though. If one villain deserves a happy ending, it's Dr. Conners.

You guys serious? You honestly want a marriage? Then what to do with great characters like Gwen and Black Cat... the solution is easy.... MJ goes Broadway... gets less screen time for SM4... Gwen and the love triangle comes full circle... then you can kill Gwen off and introduce Felicia later on. Gwen serves her purpose and gets killed off, and you can still do Black Cat if there is room.
 
You guys serious? You honestly want a marriage? Then what to do with great characters like Gwen and Black Cat... the solution is easy.... MJ goes Broadway... gets less screen time for SM4... Gwen and the love triangle comes full circle... then you can kill Gwen off and introduce Felicia later on. Gwen serves her purpose and gets killed off, and you can still do Black Cat if there is room.

^
Well since SM4 might be Raimi/Tobey/Dunst last spidey movie it might be nice to see it all wrap up that way.But for the franchise to spread into six movies,it might be a good idea for MJ to be in Hollywood for an entire movie.
 
I think its goes full circle regardless... maybe in the next movie its MJ getting all the attention again... I am not saying write her out... but do what you did in SM2 with all the bill boards... it develops her character even more and eats up screen time... maybe Parker gets lonely and can't resist Gwen... the theme could be like temptations leads to disaster... be happy with what you have... Conners wants a new arm that he should have never tried to get back. Kraven tries to glorify himself with this last hunt. Gwen hits on Parker. Parker can't resist and gives in... MJ finally finds out, and everybody pays a price. Conners becomes Lizard and goes crazy. Kraven is humiliated for targeting an innocent man underneath the monster (or maybe killing Cpt Stacy, who gets in the way of Kraven/Lizard trying to protect Conners). Peter's infidelity leads to MJ giving him back the ring and breaking off the engagement. Gwen pays the ultimate price... death. Now that makes for a darn compelling movie.
 
Just pray man... pray... but I am not optimistic as long as Avi Fagg0t Ass Arad is running the show

Last time I checked, Avi Arad is out. He's been replaced by some dousche who strongly suggested that, for the Iron Man movie, two villains be combined into one to save money.
 
Last time I checked, Avi Arad is out. He's been replaced by some dousche who strongly suggested that, for the Iron Man movie, two villains be combined into one to save money.

If it is two similar ones (like Titanium Man and Crimson Dynamo for example) what's the problem? They never said it was Mandarin and Iron Monger being combined. I am waiting to hear who was he trying to combine.
 

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