Green Goblin Costume Design

Discussion in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' started by harryoscop, May 5, 2015.

  1. NotSoLongAgo #spidermansolit

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    You're worried that a movie where a guy with spider powers and a spider related costume beats super villains up is gonna be too far-fetched because Norman wears a Goblin costume? The entire entire MCU is far fetched, every cbm ever is far fetched. It's all in the execution
     
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    Comparing apples to oranges. Spider-Man choose the Spider persona because he was bit by a radioactive Spider, giving him Spider-esque powers.

    And though the MCU may be far fetched, everyone's names/story at least match up. Iron Man is self explanatory, Captain America was a silly mascot during WW2, Thor is a god, Hulk is.. Well, a hulk.

    Doctor Strange's name is literally Doctor Strange

    Black Widow, Hawkeye, Winter Soldier are all code names.

    Black Panther leads a Panther clan, Red Skull has a Red Skull, I could go on and on.

    However - Norman, who has super strength and agility, has absolutely 0 reasons to fly around NYC dressed like a Goblin. Which goes back to what I was saying - all of this is resolved if his appearance is organic, that way we wouldn't need any explanation.

    It'd be different if he was like Penguin or Joker, where they didn't have much an identity outside of their super villain reputation. But Norman himself is also a very important character, which makes it even more complicated.
     
  3. NotSoLongAgo #spidermansolit

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    Norman is nuts. He can be somewhat normal as Norman and bat**** crazy as Goblin. You're over complicating things
     
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    So you're trying to tell me that if Norman gets his abilities in one scene, and a couple after he's suddenly in a magic Goblin costume (that was never mentioned before hand) you wouldn't think it was at all stupid?

    I can't think of any CBM that didn't have some reason for costumes to make sense. Heck, even in the 2002 movie we saw the suit and glider being tested. Granted the helmet wasn't created yet, but it was still something.

    If I'm over complicating things, I guess so do the paid professionals. Because from Dr.Octopus' tentacles to the carved in target on Bullseye's forehead, there's always been a reason. I'm not sure why you're making it sound like I'm being completely irrational.
     
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    The Green Goblin, much like The Joker, is a very theatrical trickster villain. Only instead of clowns and circus stuff, Goblin's motif is Halloween (which is why he has a Goblin mask, why he uses PUMPKIN bombs, and razor BATS, etc).

    That is why I suggested the Goblin mask be made out of a prototype prosthetic making machine/materials that Norman Osborn originally designed to sell to movie studios, stuff that would allow them to cut down their makeup chair time.

    It would allow Goblin to have his comic book style mask that allows him to emote with it on. It would also fit the Halloween motif, as it would be a monster movie/horror movie type of mask, as that is what the Goblin would want himself to appear like to the outside world. Which would allow the Goblin to design his look and gear to tie into the Halloween motif even more than previous film incarnations of the character have, and get away from the "militarized" tech style as a way of explaining the character.
     
  6. NotSoLongAgo #spidermansolit

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    Because not everything needs an explanation. We didn't need an extensive sequence showing us who joker was before he put on makeup and terrorized gotham. We don't need an extensive sequence showing us why Norman wears a Goblin costume. It doesn't matter. Not everything needs an origin. Goblin works better if he's a mystery.
     
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    But that fits to exactly what I was saying earlier. Joker doesn't really have an identity outside of being the Joker, it's not like Green Goblin has the same benefit. He's still going to be Norman more so than he is going to be the Goblin, so the audience can't just shut down and soak it in like they can with Batman villains. The only movie that gave Joker an alias outside of the clown was Tim Burton's take, and even that had an origin. Whether or not you enjoyed that is completely subjective.

    I'm just saying, if the movie completely ignores any type of origin for the costume - especially for a character who was well established before he became a villain - I think it would be the first of it's kind. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
     
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    I'd be down for something like that, it makes sense. Plus there would (hopefully) be multiple movies to slowly set up his origin without it taking up too much time.
     
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    As much as I hated Malekith in TDW, looking at his costume and make-up design makes me think that they have a chance at pulling off the Green Goblin.

    That design there though is hella scary, probably too creepy for kids tbh!
     
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    All I have to say is, they better not be toning down the villains to keep them from being "scary for kids"! :cmad:
     
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    Maybe this is more appropriate for the 'Villains' thread but how many of you guys actually think that it will be inevitable that the Green Goblin will show up again in the next decade?

    I know that we've had three Jokers in three different Batman movie universes and that there's therefore nothing wrong with having the Green Goblin appear again but will Marvel really want to rush into the GG so soon, especially when there are so many other great Spidey villains that we haven't seen covered in films before (again, same could be said for Batman and his villains too I guess)?

    My opinion is that the general audience aren't that aware of the GG being as great an archenemy to Spider-Man as the Joker is to Batman and because of the Joker's unpredictability and craziness, people are more in favour to seeing such an iconic and loveable character (despite him being a lunatic) as opposed to a Spidey villain that hasn't had the same kind of impact and reception in movies (especially not the same kind of impact as Doc Ock in SM2, though I personally prefer Dafoe's Goblin over Ock).
     
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    I honestly prefer the animatronic-alien looking Goblin mask as opposed to that manip there, it looks like a demon, it's creepy for me, and I'm not even a child! (or am I?)

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    Where's your Black Panther avatar from btw, Captainwagner? It looks really cool!
     
  13. harryoscop Registered

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    I just want a Gobbie who looks terrifying like the manip above.
     
  14. Webhead2006 The Web-Swinger

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    I say do goblin at 3rd film. So it gives us chance to do between 2 to 4 foes we yet to see in first two films. As for goblin I take the boat of don't explain.
     
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    What does that mean exactly?
     
  16. Webhead2006 The Web-Swinger

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    I was agreeing with others saying you don't need to explain why norman dresses as a goblin and leave it a mystery. Not everything needs to be explained and flat out explained to us.
     
  17. TheGearMan Hero

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    Yeah, the serum made him kinda crazy, so that's a good enough explanation.
     
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    I also agree with those saying we don't need an detailed explanation for Norman's Goblin persona. However it'd be nice to have at least one little scene. For example:

    When we first meet Norman we see him in his office or mansion. There are sculptures and statues everywhere. One of them is a silly yet creepy looking goblin. Later, after taking the formula, all you need to show is Norman walking out of his lab, limping, looking down. As he walks into the room with the sculptures, he stops, looks up. First thing he sees is the goblin. He starts laughing hysterically. Cut.

    I think that would be enough "explanation" as to why he chooses the goblin. Like others have said: he's crazy! Lunatics do crazy stuff all the time and most of it you can't explain rationally.
     
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    I'd love such a scene actually! :up:
     
  20. Webhead2006 The Web-Swinger

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    Thst is a solid way to go about it.
     
  21. PT9357 Registered

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    I never said anything about detailed :p I'd just like one or two scenes, for example what you said is great.

    I mentioned Bullseye earlier, but really his only explanation is "he's good at throwing ****" and that's enough for his character. My main gripe was if they never explained it, especially since a Goblin costume is so specific and somewhat corny. But what you suggested was great.
     
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    I'm fascinated with the process of costume design, and I remember seeing a video or two with the animatronic mask, so I looked into it. This video includes a number of different designs, each with subtle but important differences.
    The one thing that does not change throughout the models is the elf hat. It's always sticking out. I don't really like that for the more organic looking goblin, because in the comics the cap illustrated motion (in a rather cool way in fact). It didn't just stay out there. When he stopped moving, the cap would droop down.

    But still, it's a cool video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fXAGC_B2Ys


    Now, I actually liked the helmet they ended up using in the movie, although the whole costume needed some purple. I thought it looked cool, and intimidating, and it just worked. Plus, he was able to take of his helmet without any movie magic tricks, unlike Spidey himself (thanks to the face shield).
     
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  23. CaptainWagner Searching (P) (he/him)

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    I believe it's from the Earth's Mightiest Heroes Avengers cartoon.


    As for Norman, I'd be down for seeing him design the suit before he gets all powered up and crazy. Would be easier to explain that way.
     
  24. ernesth100 The Writing Avenger

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    What do you not care about the kids? Villains can still be threatening without being straight up nightmare fuel that makes everyone wanna **** their pants.
     
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    Goblin should be scary, but not your typical 'creepy/demon' scary.


    This is all subjective, but I think he should scare us in the same way Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit did once he turned into a Toon. He was corny, cartoonish, yet downright scarring for life.

    But then again, parents nowadays would probably scold that movie for it's 'graphic' concepts and adult themes :whatever:
     

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