Green Lantern Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[Liam_H]

Warner Bros definitely needs to proceed with a Justice League movie and forget about doing solo movies for now.

1. The general public only know about secondary DC characters through cartoons like Super Friends and Justice League.

2. People are tired of origin stories.

Start us off in the middle of a story. We don't need to know how the Justice League was formed and all of the characters' backgrounds. That stuff can be filled in later when it's essential to the plot. No secret identities. Don't worry about people being confused that Christian Bale isn't playing Batman. They can identify the character as Batman and that's enough. If certain characters prove popular, then give them a spin-off solo movie.

I don't know why people think it's so hard to do a JL movie. Forget that these characters are superheroes and just treat them like people. The super powers are only for the action scenes.

I'm confused when you say we should just jump into a JL movie without giving any of the secondary heroes a background while at the same time saying just treat them as people.
The point of an origin story is to show why a hero is just like a regular person with powers. We learn who they are and why they do the things they do. Yes you can fill them in a JL movie as you go along but with that many people you'll barely know anybody when the movie is done. If we know these characters (wonder woman, flash, green lantern etc.) beforehand we'll be invested in all their actions when they do team up.

 

[Liam_H]

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3200&p=.htm

Even 2 months old Thor beat GL in WW intake...

Confused about what you just said, Thor has GL beat regardless because its been out a lot longer. You can certainly say TF3 has GL beat even though its only been out a few days, though that's not surprising either.

 

[Docker2.0]

Confused about what you just said, Thor has GL beat regardless because its been out a lot longer. You can certainly say TF3 has GL beat even though its only been out a few days, though that's not surprising either.

What he's saying is Thor has been out almost 2 months and GL like 3 weeks, yet Thor made more money on a weekend when GL should have made more.

 

[Liam_H]

^My mistake, I apologize.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Confused about what you just said, Thor has GL beat regardless because its been out a lot longer. You can certainly say TF3 has GL beat even though its only been out a few days, though that's not surprising either.

This weekend WW intake

 

[Dwarf Slayer]

I'm confused when you say we should just jump into a JL movie without giving any of the secondary heroes a background while at the same time saying just treat them as people.
The point of an origin story is to show why a hero is just like a regular person with powers. We learn who they are and why they do the things they do. Yes you can fill them in a JL movie as you go along but with that many people you'll barely know anybody when the movie is done. If we know these characters (wonder woman, flash, green lantern etc.) beforehand we'll be invested in all their actions when they do team up.

I know the point of an origin story and you don't need one for an audience to be invested in the characters. Most superhero films act as if the audience is ******ed and need an autobiographical break down of the hero's life for you to care about them. It's completely unnecessary. We'll learn about the characters and grow to like them IN the JL movie.

For instance, Woman Woman could be introduced in the JL movie as a man hating rookie superhero who is in the United States as an ambassador for Themyscira. She grows a character when she sees Batman (a man) who is performing feats just as great as her without super powers. She gets past her prejudice because of this.

 

[DarKush]

SHIELD did do battle with Destroyer... When he first showed up... Destroyer ****ed them up.

My bad. I don't remember that. I think my memory is getting foggy the older I get.

 

[HighFivingMF]

My bad. I don't remember that. I think my memory is getting foggy the older I get.

It was quick, it's easiest to remember because of the "Is that one of Stark's?" line.

 

[Metallo]

Constantine was ok movie but its not like the comics very much. The fact he doesn't have as large a fanbase as say Batman meant they could change alot of stuff and not be too worried about a backlash.

I don't disagree with that but comic book movies that have disregard their source material even more get mentioned...like Catwoman. What I mean is Constantine isn't mentioned with the bad OR the good when some people divide them up.

I think its (partly) because Constantine wasn't a "superhero" in the movie so its easy for some to overlook. That and maybe because HellBlazer was a Vertigo title...even though Vertigo is an imprint of DC comics

Constantine wasn't a huge smash success either. Wasn't a failure but I don't think it did the numbers WB wanted.

 

[Mysteryman]

I don't disagree with that but comic book movies that have disregard their source material even more get mentioned...like Catwoman. What I mean is Constantine isn't mentioned with the bad OR the good when some people divide them up.

I think its (partly) because Constantine wasn't a "superhero" in the movie so its easy for some to overlook. That and maybe because HellBlazer was a Vertigo title...even though Vertigo is an imprint of DC comics

Constantine wasn't a huge smash success either. Wasn't a failure but I don't think it did the numbers WB wanted.

well, they didnt greenlight a sequel.
That tells you a lot right there.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3200&p=.htm

Even 2 months old Thor beat GL in WW intake...

How embarassing...

 

[Chewy]

It's having basically the same run Watchmen did.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

So if a GL sequel isn't happening, what should WB/DC do about its superhero properties given that Nolan's leaving after DKR and superman rights in a limbo after MOS, in your opinion? Should they continue on with B list superheroes while Batman is undergoing a reboot, or stop taking risk with the movie franchises and instead concentrate on cartoons to promote its lesser known characters to build awareness for GA?

 

[biolumen]

With each day, Deadline revises GL's weekend estimate downward. It's now expected to place 7th, just behind 'Monte Carlo' and two behind 'Super 8'. A mere 3 weeks into release and it's 4 day holiday weekend total couldn't even break double digits.

7. Green Lantern 3D (Warner Bros) Week 3 [3,280 Theaters]
Friday $1.9M, Saturday $2.3M, Sunday $2.3M, Monday
Three-Day Weekend $6.5M, Four-Day Holiday $8M, Cume $103.6M

Meanwhile, Transformers 3 is looking at $416 million WW thanks in large part to foreign markets.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/07/tra...hts-and-2700-sneaks-for-exclusive-3d-tuesday/

 

[TheVileOne]

So if a GL sequel isn't happening, what should WB/DC do about its superhero properties given that Nolan's leaving after DKR and superman rights in a limbo after MOS, in your opinion? Should they continue on with B list superheroes while Batman is undergoing a reboot, or stop taking risk with the movie franchises and instead concentrate on cartoons to promote its lesser known characters to build awareness for GA?

They should replace the current DCE hierarchy. Their current model isn't working very well.

 

[Metallo]

How embarassing...

obviously. I don't think Constantine was terrible but they tried to homogenize it for American audiences and it still didn't give them a monster hit. I'm an American...but I had no problem with Constantin being British. I did have a problem with Keanu Reeves being cast. Even if you strip away his Britishness if you look at who that character was based on Keanu doesn't really fit. I felt the same way about Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern. i don't get that same vibe from him as the man who served as the model for Hal Jordan. Always important to get the heart off he character right. With Reynolds i felt like i was watching Van Wilder, protector of sector 2804 sometimes.

They should replace the current DCE hierarchy. Their current model isn't working very well.

Not only does WB need to work on DC Entertainment but WB needs to work on the way IT makes decisions about these kinds of properties. The problems at the top and the way things are delegated.

For over 15 years I've looked at the decisions Warner Brothers have made concerning DC comics on tv and film and I just can't fathom how they still haven't learned from many mistakes. I mean yeah there's a lot off corporate turnover and changes in power but you'd tyhink some of the new guys could look at the errors of the past and adjust accordingly. But I see some of the same mistakes they were making 15 years ago.

 

[KalMart]

So if a GL sequel isn't happening, what should WB/DC do about its superhero properties given that Nolan's leaving after DKR and superman rights in a limbo after MOS, in your opinion? Should they continue on with B list superheroes while Batman is undergoing a reboot, or stop taking risk with the movie franchises and instead concentrate on cartoons to promote its lesser known characters to build awareness for GA?

WB should keep a door open for whichever superhero characters good filmmakers want to make a movie of, instead of trying to force them all out there to 'keep up with Marvel' or what have you. If two filmmakers want to make a Batman movie, and Batman is already taken and no-one is pitching a Flash or Plastic man or what have you, tough luck...no superhero movies for that year. Then they can concentrate on original films and projects with top filmmakers that have been working well for them thus far, and maybe find another novel series.

Let DCE concentrate more on comics/video games/animation...and perhaps help on the occasional superhero movie...but let it be the filmmakers' show. In general for WB, get back to the formula that's resulted in their best and most successful films...supporting the vision of a good filmmaker (excluding SR). Go ahead and let Marvel flood the market with their comic-based movies...WB may end up with fewer superhero movies, but they very well could be better movies. Obviously, it'll be hard to pass on what's perceived as a big market ripe for the picking, but it could already be passing its prime. Maybe try one more other character.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

So if a GL sequel isn't happening, what should WB/DC do about its superhero properties given that Nolan's leaving after DKR and superman rights in a limbo after MOS, in your opinion? Should they continue on with B list superheroes while Batman is undergoing a reboot, or stop taking risk with the movie franchises and instead concentrate on cartoons to promote its lesser known characters to build awareness for GA?

You continue to write that MOS is the final superman movie. I don't think so. If successful (+500m ww) they'll do a sequel in two years from the release date.

At WB they'll continue with Superman/Batman, trying periodically to introduce a new character. Exactly like Marvel has done since 2000.
For years they have done only X-Men-Spiderman movies with some "test": Hulk, Electra, Daredevil (all terrible flops)...the truth is that Iron-Man was their first successful "secondary" character.

They simply don't have to give up.

 

[merced]

So if a GL sequel isn't happening, what should WB/DC do about its superhero properties given that Nolan's leaving after DKR and superman rights in a limbo after MOS, in your opinion? Should they continue on with B list superheroes while Batman is undergoing a reboot, or stop taking risk with the movie franchises and instead concentrate on cartoons to promote its lesser known characters to build awareness for GA?

I think they need to get the Batman relaunch up as first priority.

Keep a JL film in the plans - and make sure the new Batman actor is contracted to make at least one JL film appearance.

With Superman no longer being made by WB, they need to find another solo hero that does well at the box office. Listen to all kinds of proposals and look for a talented director. Something will emerge. DC has a huge staple and mabe it won't be WW or Aqaman or Flash but aother character that catches on and pulls an Ironman.

WB shouldn't expect to put a live action superhero film out every year. That niche belongs to Marvel. Every other year is fine.

Let DCE concenrate on animated straight to DVD superhero films. They are good at this and making tons of money at far less risk than a live action film.

 

[KalMart]

You continue to write that MOS is the final superman movie. I don't think so. If successful (+500m ww) they'll do a sequel in two years from the release date.

Not if WB/DC and the S&S heirs (and their lawyer) are still fighting over revenue/royalty shares. And the kicker is that the more successful MOS is, the messier it will make that.

 

[merced]

Not if WB/DC and the S&S heirs (and their lawyer) are still fighting over revenue/royalty shares. And the kicker is that the mores successful MOS is, the messier it will make that.

Exactly. Lots on these boards are in denial of how serious this is and that the odds are there won't be sequel because of the lawsuit - given that neither side seems to want to negotiate seriously.

 

[KalMart]

Exactly. Lots on these boards are in denial of how serious this is and that the odds are there won't be sequel because of the lawsuit - given that neither side seems to want to negotiate seriously.

And that at certain lawyer has shareholding interest in Superman, as well as a production company that he's trying to get started.

 

[merced]

And that at certain lawyer has shareholding interest in Superman, as well as a production company that he's trying to get started.

Yes, Tobberoff as part of his fee from the heirs is going to get a big portion of their share of the rights.

So the rights are split between DC, the heirs and Tobberoff. Toberoff clearly wants to use his rights to make Superman films and start a film company.

However, WB and DC will sue anyone who tries to do anything Superman. Just as the heirs will sue WB if it tries to do anything Superman.

Bottom line, Supeman is dead as a franchise after mid-2013. The legal battle will probably go on for a decade. Ironically by the time it is settled andthe heirs can use their portion the the rights they will only have a few years to exploit those rights as all the rights go public in 2030. No one owns Superman at that point.

 

[KalMart]

Yes, Tobberoff as part of his fee from the heirs is going to get a big portion of their share of the rights.

So the rights are split between DC, the heirs and Tobberoff. Toberoff clearly wants to use his rights to make Superman films and start a film company.

However, WB and DC will sue anyone who tries to do anything Superman. Just as the heirs will sue WB if it tries to do anything Superman.

Bottom line, Supeman is dead as a franchise after mid-2013. The legal battle will probably go on for a decade. Ironically by the time it is settled andthe heirs can use their portion the the rights they will only have a few years to exploit those rights as all the rights go public in 2030. No one owns Superman at that point.

I think some figure that if MOS does really well, they'll want to reconcile even more because there's more money. Happy days for everyone, etc.

But generally, people will fight much more vigorously over a million dollars than they will over a quarter.

 

[WarBlade]

So if a GL sequel isn't happening, what should WB/DC do about its superhero properties given that Nolan's leaving after DKR and superman rights in a limbo after MOS, in your opinion?

They should get around to putting Frank Miller's Ronin on the screen. It's taking forever!