Green Lantern Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[chiefchirpa]

marvel would never buyout Superman because they too respect DC too much. Also they have enough characters already.

This. An angry competitor is a dangerous one and I hope they don't close out the chance for cooperation.

Marvel do have a lot of characters already and new characters can be spawned off just as easily.

 

[Octoberist]

One Superman with the family, perhaps loaned to Dark Horse or Image. The other "Superman" is without the name Supername & Clark Kent, and can't wear the familiar costume.

Dark Horse and Image are mostly creator owned (besides Star Wars, Buffy), so the writers would have to pay for the rights.Dark Horse got a lucky (cheap) deal with Lucas and Whedon and have a great relationship.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Plus the Superman they have would be a shell of his real self. Neither one of the Superman would be worth much

 

[Silver Surfer]

marvel would never buyout Superman because they too respect DC too much. Also they have enough characters already.

All things considered at the end of the day it`s business and Supes ins`t exactly a run of the mill character. Bringing him in would be a HUGE deal in every sense of the way, from mainstream press, to sales, to buzz and not to mention inside the 616 universe.

Right now this conversation is just one hypothetical point after another but IF in the future the SS family do decide to sell or loan the rights, I would rather they do it to Marvel and not Image or DH.

 

[KalMart]

All things considered at the end of the day it`s business and Supes ins`t exactly a run of the mill character. Bringing him in would be a HUGE deal in every sense of the way, from mainstream press, to sales, to buzz and not to mention inside the 616 universe.

Yep...a Superman in name only would be huge.....a huge flop.

As if WB would just generously lend the aspects that they still own to Marvel so that they could have their Superman fly.

Right now this conversation is just one hypothetical point after another but IF in the future the SS family do decide to sell or loan the rights, I would rather they do it to Marvel and not Image or DH.

They won't. they need WB to do anything with their 'half' of Superman. WB knows this, which is probably why they're doing this whole comic reboot thing. They're showing that they have an alternative, and the heirs don't.

Plus...I'll just bet that Dark Horse and Marvel would like nothing better than to deal with that lawyer of theirs. The heirs may very well end up in worse shape than they were before this whole battle.

Again, the only leverage that the heirs have in this fight is that it'll cost WB millions in lost sales. But even then...they still have billions.....whereas the heirs have...a working toaster, I guess.

 

[chiefchirpa]

All things considered at the end of the day it`s business and Supes ins`t exactly a run of the mill character. Bringing him in would be a HUGE deal in every sense of the way, from mainstream press, to sales, to buzz and not to mention inside the 616 universe.

Right now this conversation is just one hypothetical point after another but IF in the future the SS family do decide to sell or loan the rights, I would rather they do it to Marvel and not Image or DH.

Marvel have a lot of other characters already and plan to upgrade their characters if opportunity arises. C list to A- list popularity is easier in Marvel.

Superman's ideals is alive with Captain America (perhaps upgrade his power to match Superman?) and power is with Sentry/Thor/Hulk/Silver Surfer/Hyperion.

It's not worth to pick up DC's ire.

 

[KalMart]

Marvel have a lot of other characters already and plan to upgrade their characters if opportunity arises. C list to A- list popularity is easier in Marvel.

Superman's ideals is alive with Captain America (perhaps upgrade his power to match Superman?) and power is with Sentry/Thor/Hulk/Silver Surfer/Hyperion.

It's not worth to pick up DC's ire.

Nor to rent their power of flight.



How the heck did we get so far into Superman?!

 

[Silver Surfer]

Yep...a Superman in name only would be huge.....a huge flop.

As if WB would just generously lend the aspects that they still own to Marvel so that they could have their Superman fly.

Yeah about the whole flight thing, is it that SS family's Superman can`t start out with flying powers? I mean can he somehow acquire the ability to fly by other means like Magic or whatever. Or is it that no matter how, no matter when that character just can not fly even if he has a jet pack on or whatever.

They won't. they need WB to do anything with their 'half' of Superman. WB knows this, which is probably why they're doing this whole comic reboot thing. They're showing that they have an alternative, and the heirs don't.

Well they would have the name, the name of his alter ego, the costume, his origins, the majority of his powers, Lois. It`s not impossible to make it work. Just stick him in the Daily Bugle with JJJ instead of the planet. Have him go toe to toe with Doom or Thanos instead of Lex. It`s not ideal but hey.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Marvel have a lot of other characters already and plan to upgrade their characters if opportunity arises. C list to A- list popularity is easier in Marvel.

Superman's ideals is alive with Captain America (perhaps upgrade his power to match Superman?) and power is with Sentry/Thor/Hulk/Silver Surfer/Hyperion.

It's not worth to pick up DC's ire.

Sentry is dead, Silver Surfer hasn`t had an ongoing series in years, Hyperion is not even a B lister and Hulk and Supes have only super Strength in common. As for Thor, yes they have a lot of similarities but so do Cap Marvel and Supes, that`s never caused any problems.

 

[KalMart]

Yeah about the whole flight thing, is it that SS family's Superman can`t start out with flying powers? I mean can he somehow acquire the ability to fly by other means like Magic or whatever. Or is it that no matter how, no matter when that character just can not fly even if he has a jet pack on or whatever.

I don't think so...not without paying WB/DC....since it was after the sale to National that he power of flight became an identifiable trait or what have you. Not if they still want to call him 'Superman'.

Well they would have the name, the name of his alter ego, the costume, his origins, the majority of his powers, Lois. It`s not impossible to make it work. Just stick him in the Daily Bugle with JJJ instead of the planet. Have him go toe to toe with Doom or Thanos instead of Lex. It`s not ideal but hey.

That's like trying to sell Coca-Cola without being allowed to carbonate it. Flat soda fans rejoice!

 

[Poni_Boy]

WB/DC isn't going to lose Superman. The character was created by two individuals and made universally popular by a company (or series of). A character is only as popular as it's marketing which is has a direct correlation to it's reception by the masses, regardless of how original the concept behind it is. All WB/DC has to prove is that without their money to back the character from it's inception the property would not be worth what it is today. That's their smoking gun, and they won't use it till they have to.

 

[Silver Surfer]

I don't think so...not without paying WB/DC....since it was after the sale to National that he power of flight became an identifiable trait or what have you. Not if they still want to call him 'Superman'.

That's like trying to sell Coca-Cola without being allowed to carbonate it. Flat soda fans rejoice!

Hey I`ll take Marvel`s non carbonated Cola over DH or Image`s, I just don`t wanna see Supes stuck on a B List brand with no major players to interact with.

Ideally, I truly truly and completely hope DC gets to keep the whole Superman not just a portion of it but in the unfortunate case they don`t.....

 

[KalMart]

WB/DC isn't going to loose Superman. The character was created by two individuals and made universally popular by a company (or series of). A character is only as popular as it's marketing and reception by the masses, regardless of how original the concept behind it is. All WB/DC has to prove is that without their money to back the character from it's inception the property would not be worth what it is today. That's their smoking gun, and they won't use it till they have to.

Which they may never have to..since they can name any price they want for the usage of their 'half'.

Darkhorse: Hello DC? We've just acquired usage of the S&S heirs' half of Superman. How much would it cost us to use yours as well?

WB/DC: Well let's see....how much would we not be making per year by not having Superman...? Add emotional damages and eye-beam tax.....

Darkhorse: ....um...does that include Luthor and the S symbol as well?

WB/DC: <hysterical laughter>...ooohh, that was a good one...! Um.....no.

 

[Silver Surfer]

WB/DC isn't going to lose Superman. The character was created by two individuals and made universally popular by a company (or series of). A character is only as popular as it's marketing which is has a direct correlation to it's reception by the masses, regardless of how original the concept behind it is. All WB/DC has to prove is that without their money to back the character from it's inception the property would not be worth what it is today. That's their smoking gun, and they won't use it till they have to.

God, I hope your right.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Well they would have the name, the name of his alter ego, the costume, his origins, the majority of his powers, Lois. It`s not impossible to make it work. Just stick him in the Daily Bugle with JJJ instead of the planet. Have him go toe to toe with Doom or Thanos instead of Lex. It`s not ideal but hey.

Seriously instead of buying Superman Marvel better spends more money on writing new villains. Good heroes like Silver Surfer need villains. As do Sentry (if they want to give him a 2nd chance) or Nova. Marvel universe need more villains to make individual heroes viable. If not, Marvel keep doing crossover and team books (which is their strength) but not more in-franchise universe.

Marvel has a lot of characters, but most of those characters can't stand on their own legs. What if each character suddenly stand on its own - with more villains. That'll be a Juggernaut (no pun intended).

Back to GL time. LOL

 

[KalMart]

Hey I`ll take Marvel`s non carbonated Cola over DH or Image`s, I just don`t wanna see Supes stuck on a B List brand with no major players to interact with.

Or no list at all...which is what the heirs' half is worth to anyone else than WB.

Ideally, I truly truly and completely hope DC gets to keep the whole Superman not just a portion of it but in the unfortunate case they don`t.....

You'lll have Man Of Steel and no Clark Kent....probably because the Lawyer was 'fighting for what was rightfully his'.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Or no list at all...which is what the heirs' half is worth to anyone else than WB.

You never know, they might not have flight but that`s not the end all be all. The name superman alone will entice someone might not be Marvel but somebody will bite. I just hope it`s Marvel.

You'lll have Man Of Steel and no Clark Kent....probably because the Lawyer was 'fighting for what was rightfully his'.

And no costume, no Lois, no Krypton, no origins. This is depressing.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Which they may never have to..since they can name any price they want for the usage of their 'half'.

Darkhorse: Hello DC? We've just acquired usage of the S&S heirs' half of Superman. How much woudl it cost us to use yours as well?

WB/DC: Well let's see....how much would we not be making per year by not having Superman...? Add emotional damages and eye-beam tax.....

The other thing the S/S + bastard lawyer are worried about is post-settlement restitution. If WB/DC loses the rights to aspects of the character that are still being used (merchandising, reprinted comics/novels, toys, cartoons) they have a counter case for lost profits for pulling those items off store shelves. Now, if you were the S/S + bastard lawyer team and had this billion dollar threat smack you in the case at the last minute it may.. just may.. cause you to reconsider taking the rights instead of a fat paycheck.

FYI: No comics publisher in their right mind would purchase the Superman rights (well maybe Top Cow). Which would make the S/S + bastard lawyer team be forced to outsource it internationally or create their own publication company. Not gonna happen

 

[KalMart]

You never know, they might not have flight but that`s not the end all be all. The name superman alone will entice someone might not be Marvel but somebody will bite. I just hope it`s Marvel.

What if Silver Surfer couldn't surf?

It'll entice a few ebay buyers who sympathize with the heirs' plight...but then the Laywer's reserve price will send them away.

And no costume, no Lois, no Krypton, no origins. This is depressing.

He still has a costume, the now-classic S, he can still fight Luthor and Braniac, and still be in the Justice league.

Whereas 'Marvel's Superman' can...well....he can walk....

 

[Silver Surfer]

The other thing the S/S + bastard lawyer are worried about is post-settlement restitution. If WB/DC loses the rights to aspects of the character that are still being used (merchandising, reprinted comics/novels, toys, cartoons) they have a counter case for lost profits for pulling those items off store shelves. Now, if you were the S/S + bastard lawyer team and had this billion dollar threat smack you in the case at the last minute it may.. just may.. cause you to reconsider taking the rights instead of a fat paycheck.

FYI: No comics publisher in their right mind would purchase the Superman rights (well maybe Top Cow). Which would make the S/S + bastard lawyer team be forced to outsource it internationally or create their own publication company. Not gonna happen

How did it come to this? I mean Bob Kane`s family hasn`t sued DC for Batman, Marvel had a case with Stan but IIRC the name rights to characters weren't on the line. Why Supes?

 

[Poni_Boy]

How did it come to this? I mean Bob Kane`s family hasn`t sued DC for Batman, Marvel had a case with Stan but IIRC the name rights to characters weren't on the line. Why Supes?

Every case is different. Just look at the Jack Kirby debacle that recently passed. No two contracts are the same and thus can be deliberated differently. In this case specifically it's the S/S lawyer that's the problem. They gave him property options to take the case, which mean if they win he becomes a part owner of the property. If he loses, he doesn't lose anything; so he's going to fight for it more than the S/S fams will.

 

[Silver Surfer]

What if Silver Surfer couldn't surf?

He`d borrow Ghost Rider`s bike

He still has a costume, the now-classic S, he can still fight Luthor and Braniac, and still be in the Justice league.

Whereas 'Marvel's Superman' can...well....he can walk....

Either side you look at it`s half an half. DC gets Flight, DP and Lex. SS get the name Superman and Clark Kent, the iconic costume, his origins and Lois.

As much as I have a hard time picturing Supes not flying, having him not interacting with Lois and not being Called Superman or Clark is just as bad.

 

[KalMart]

The other thing the S/S + bastard lawyer are worried about is post-settlement restitution. If WB/DC loses the rights to aspects of the character that are still being used (merchandising, reprinted comics/novels, toys, cartoons) they have a counter case for lost profits for pulling those items off store shelves. Now, if you were the S/S + bastard lawyer team and had this billion dollar threat smack you in the case at the last minute it may.. just may.. cause you to reconsider taking the rights instead of a fat paycheck.

FYI: No comics publisher in their right mind would purchase the Superman rights (well maybe Top Cow). Which would make the S/S + bastard lawyer team be forced to outsource it internationally or create their own publication company. Not gonna happen

IIRC, the lawyer is actually trying to start his own production company....what a coincidence.

 

[Poni_Boy]

IIRC, the lawyer is actually trying to start his own production company....what a coincidence.

Yep, but he's having trouble getting backing. I wonder why...

 

[KalMart]

He`d borrow Ghost Rider`s bike

And Superman would ride atop Captain Britain. Nice.

Either side you look at it`s half an half. DC gets Flight, DP and Lex. SS get the name Superman and Clark Kent, the iconic costume, his origins and Lois.

WB/DC is a comic/publishing/entertainment company with humongous resources...the heirs are not. One side has the ability to do much more with their 'half' than the other. Even if it's just a shell of the former whole...it's still doing something.

As much as I have a hard time picturing Supes not flying, having him not interacting with Lois and not being Called Superman or Clark is just as bad.

Like I said, WB/DC will just have to find a way to make due with Batman and the rest of the characters that are all sitting happy with them.