Green Lantern question...

[Aristotle]

Does he even post anywhere else?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Nope.

 

[Aristotle]

He's a member of the Hype solely to play DTL?

 

[Varient]

It would just be nice if you stopped abusing punctuation and that's all. No need to lament about it.

If it were that easy.

No, I've taken abuse when sentence structure and punctuation were correct.

We once wasted pages on the term "come correct."

Pages on the fact that they couldn't believe that the phrase was used in a sentence?


Meh.

 

[Aristotle]

See, there you go, were those really all deserving of paragraph status?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He's a member of the Hype solely to play DTL?

Yeah. He's JewishHobbit's brother-in-law, and I guess he saw JH playing back in one of the earlier seasons and thought it seemed cool. I don't remember exactly how or when he joined. He's posted in other forums occasionally, but he sticks mostly to the DTL.

 

[GL1]

Since I don't have this problem in real life - then YES the problem is the three or four of you here.

Unless, of course, the situations are different in some obvious way which you have yet to realize. That would require you not being omniscient though, so... no go.

And please, don't brag on your helpdesk job. I do the same thing and it's a stepping stone at most.

As for the question: I think this whole arguement stems from a narrowing of the Green Lantern Universe. In Original Concept, the Green Lantern Ring could do ANYTHING. Period. It only needed the willpower and to be checked in every 24 hours.

I think part of this need to limit the ring (and not the ring bearer) comes from the mythos centering so heavily on individuals, especially Hal, who, due to the type of heroes the are, do not have limits, and are best when they are 'perfect' and infallible. Having 'not enough willpower' for a task is demeaning for such silver-age-styled heroes, and as such, the easy answer is to impose limits on the ring. It runs out of charge a LOT more quickly now than ever. Limiting the amount of willpower the ring can channel. These are great ways to not overpower Green Lantern whil still keeping the actual ring slinger irreproachable in every way.

If DC would just let hte GLU be bigger than Hal Jordan, we wouldn't have this problem, and we'd be able to stick to the pure concept, instead of watering it down into an elemental mastery.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If it were that easy.

No, I've taken abuse when sentence structure and punctuation were correct.

We once wasted pages on the term "come correct."

Pages on the fact that they couldn't believe that the phrase was used in a sentence?


Meh.

Pff, them *****es need to come correct with some proper complaints instead of wasting time on that shiz, knowumsayin'?

 

[Varient]

Unless, of course, the situations are different in some obvious way which you have yet to realize. That would require you not being omniscient though, so... no go.

And please, don't brag on your helpdesk job. I do the same thing and it's a stepping stone at most.

As for the question: I think this whole arguement stems from a narrowing of the Green Lantern Universe. In Original Concept, the Green Lantern Ring could do ANYTHING. Period. It only needed the willpower and to be checked in every 24 hours.

I think part of this need to limit the ring (and not the ring bearer) comes from the mythos centering so heavily on individuals, especially Hal, who, due to the type of heroes the are, do not have limits, and are best when they are 'perfect' and infallible. Having 'not enough willpower' for a task is demeaning for such silver-age-styled heroes, and as such, the easy answer is to impose limits on the ring. It runs out of charge a LOT more quickly now than ever. Limiting the amount of willpower the ring can channel. These are great ways to not overpower Green Lantern whil still keeping the actual ring slinger irreproachable in every way.

If DC would just let hte GLU be bigger than Hal Jordan, we wouldn't have this problem, and we'd be able to stick to the pure concept, instead of watering it down into an elemental mastery.

Off topic:
Yes,.. this job is a stepping stone, closer to a rest stop - as I'm in the process of retraining toward what I really want to do - I wasn't bragging about it - I was stating that the number of people I interact easily with on a DAILY BASIS kinda trumps the opinions of a few on a messageboard who need to fuss and act clueless because I misspell a word or use an idiom they don't recognize.

On topic:
I agree - IMHO DC is putting more science into the green lantern mythos, making it make more sense by explaining more of the why and how, and placing limits on the tech.

V.

 

[GL1]

I agree - IMHO DC is putting more science into the green lantern mythos, making it make more sense by explaining more of the why and how, and placing limits on the tech.

V.

Wow, in what way does toning down the Green Lanterns "make more sense?" In the same way that Midichlorians make Jedi make more sense? Because that kind of making sense betrays the theme and premise, and, as such, is bad writing.

When has it ever even been established that the rings are "tech" in any traditional sense? I can see why adding this kind of pseudo-science to the GL mythos may appeal to some, but it handicaps the concept and strikes me as horridly shortsighted.

 

[Varient]

Wow, in what way does toning down the Green Lanterns "make more sense?" In the same way that Midichlorians make Jedi make more sense? Because that kind of making sense betrays the theme and premise, and, as such, is bad writing.

When has it ever even been established that the rings are "tech" in any traditional sense? I can see why adding this kind of pseudo-science to the GL mythos may appeal to some, but it handicaps the concept and strikes me as horridly shortsighted.

Back when Grell was drawing GL,.. He made a point to make the rings "Tech" vice mystical magical stuff on the side of order.


Back then before Grell - the stories were "just because" stories and Moralistic stories involving Hal solving a problem w/o the ring. Grell introduced A "Star Trek" feel to Green Lantern - there was a lot more "science" than what had come previously.

I don't see it as toning down so much as putting in perspective. People read comics and really don't equate the scale of whats going on with how it would appear in real life.

I mean step outside and look up. Now imagine focusing your mind on surrounding the entire world in a green shell. You are trying to imagine hundreds of thousands of square miles encapsulated in a field of energy.

another example,... imagine flying to Mars right now,... cold,.. don't access an almanac to determine where in the sky it is - just take off.

How would you find it? If you find it,... will you fly directly at it or lead it a little? How would you increase or decrease your speed in space?

I feel the same way about most GL feats. There is no "magic" lost like in Star Wars by explaining more GL tech.

V.

 

[GL1]

Back when Grell was drawing GL,.. He made a point to make the rings "Tech" vice mystical magical stuff on the side of order.


Back then before Grell - the stories were "just because" stories and Moralistic stories involving Hal solving a problem w/o the ring. Grell introduced A "Star Trek" feel to Green Lantern - there was a lot more "science" than what had come previously.

I don't see it as toning down so much as putting in perspective. People read comics and really don't equate the scale of whats going on with how it would appear in real life.

I mean step outside and look up. Now imagine focusing your mind on surrounding the entire world in a green shell. You are trying to imagine hundreds of thousands of square miles encapsulated in a field of energy.

another example,... imagine flying to Mars right now,... cold,.. don't access an almanac to determine where in the sky it is - just take off.

How would you find it? If you find it,... will you fly directly at it or lead it a little? How would you increase or decrease your speed in space?

I feel the same way about most GL feats. There is no "magic" lost like in Star Wars by explaining more GL tech.

V.

Yes, there is. Even just defining as tech as opposed to simply being tech-like takes away the magic because, outside of the unknown point where they blend together, tech and magic are mutually exclusive.

Explaining the process of how certain feats are done is fine. Playing up the Sci-fi concepts is fine.

Limiting the rings and hamstringing the premise is not.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The rings have been defined as tech for a long time, haven't they? Alan Scott is the only Green Lantern in current continuity whose powers are fueled by overtly magical means. The GLC rings are tech in the same way the Blue Beetle's scarab is tech--they're just undefined tech that's indistinguishable from magic.

 

[GL1]

The GLC rings are tech in the same way the Blue Beetle's scarab is tech--they're just undefined tech that's indistinguishable from magic.

Okay, I'll buy that. That sounds closer to the truth, anway.

And it also explains this feeling I have that defining the tech takes away from the magic.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, any sort of engine that converts willpower and thoughts into physical constructs or reality-bending effects is going to come off looking like magic. It's just way too far beyond anything even remotely conceivable by current, real-life technology.

 

[Varient]

Yes, there is. Even just defining as tech as opposed to simply being tech-like takes away the magic because, outside of the unknown point where they blend together, tech and magic are mutually exclusive.

Explaining the process of how certain feats are done is fine. Playing up the Sci-fi concepts is fine.

Limiting the rings and hamstringing the premise is not.

I guess it's relative. I don't require a schematic on the Ring with white papers giving all the specs,... but I do like the fact that they are "made" not pulled out of a blue butt as needed.

As far as I see,.. there has to be an upper limit, otherwise one guardian could do the job of all the GL's between moves in a chess game with his off duty blue friend,
Or with an planet GL, You could have an area of responsibility much much larger than what is posted because it's canon that the planet has so much willpower that it multitasks on an immense level - Encoding rings for future use, playing shrink and help-mate to mentally damaged gl's, doing hundreds of things for the corps w/o strain.

V.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

How do you know the Guardians aren't concerning themselves with far greater challenges to universal order while the GLs handle the more mundane challenges? Or that Mogo's space sector isn't 2 or 3 times larger than any other Lantern's? Have they specifically said that every single sector of space is exactly the same size?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Each sector is 1/10 of a degree radiating out from Oa.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

According to...?

 

[Aristotle]

Silicon Surfer, dude.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

DC talked about that ages ago. Before the first widespread trouble with the Corp. whenever that was. Then for awhile they abandoned the concept of sectors.

 

[Varient]

How do you know the Guardians aren't concerning themselves with far greater challenges to universal order while the GLs handle the more mundane challenges? Or that Mogo's space sector isn't 2 or 3 times larger than any other Lantern's? Have they specifically said that every single sector of space is exactly the same size?

1. We don't know either way - but that is not an issue Because from the begining the guardians decided to get someone else to patrol the Universe. First Robots, then ringbearers.

2. No All the same size - Yes they have. More than once.

V.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

2 I honestly didn't know, so fair enough, I'll concede that. But for 1, what does how long they've been delegating patrolling the universe to others have to do with it? Suppose there are other things going on in the higher planes of existence that the Guardians deal with? We don't know what the hell the Guardians do with all their time or what occupies how much of their attention. It's possible they're just lazy and like having lackeys patrol the universe instead of doing it themselves, but that seems unlikely to me.

 

[Varient]

2 I honestly didn't know, so fair enough, I'll concede that. But for 1, what does how long they've been delegating patrolling the universe to others have to do with it? Suppose there are other things going on in the higher planes of existence that the Guardians deal with? We don't know what the hell the Guardians do with all their time or what occupies how much of their attention. It's possible they're just lazy and like having lackeys patrol the universe instead of doing it themselves, but that seems unlikely to me.

Lazy sounds good.

Lot of Hal Jordan Stories where Hal Had to save them from their lack of willingness to wield the green energy in their own defense. They alway act like they didn't want to get their hands dirty.

V.

 

[Varient]

2 I honestly didn't know, so fair enough, I'll concede that. But for 1, what does how long they've been delegating patrolling the universe to others have to do with it? Suppose there are other things going on in the higher planes of existence that the Guardians deal with? We don't know what the hell the Guardians do with all their time or what occupies how much of their attention. It's possible they're just lazy and like having lackeys patrol the universe instead of doing it themselves, but that seems unlikely to me.

Which reminds me:

I wonder what happened to these guys?