Guillermo del Toro's "The Shape of Water"

[redhawk23]

Incredible.

 

[Web-Head]

My theater is finally getting this Friday. If I don't catch the matinee before work, I'll see it next week. Can't wait

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean:

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The ending of the movie, did it not imply that Sally Hawkins' character is possibly part fish-person herself? Think about it. She's an orphan and she was born with those scars on her neck. At the end, those scars open up and essentially act as her new underwater gills.

 

[redhawk23]

I mean:

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The ending of the movie, did it not imply that Sally Hawkins' character is possibly part fish-person herself? Think about it. She's an orphan and she was born with those scars on her neck. At the end, those scars open up and essentially act as her new underwater gills.

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She wasn't born with them. Those are wounds. Her parents cut her vocal chords as a child. Also, in a very pan's labyrinth sense, I'm not sure how real or literal that ending actually was, with the narration kicking back in and everything.

 

[TheVileOne]

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She wasn't born with them. Those are wounds. Her parents cut her vocal chords as a child. Also, in a very pan's labyrinth sense, I'm not sure how real or literal that ending actually was, with the narration kicking back in and everything.

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Probably right, not sure why I remembered it that way. But then again, the creature did have special powers. So even if that's not the literal ending, what if the powers he's imbued with could grant her the ability to breathe underwater?

 

[redhawk23]

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Probably right, not sure why I remembered it that way. But then again, the creature did have special powers. So even if that's not the literal ending, what if the powers he's imbued with could grant her the ability to breathe underwater?

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That's pretty much what's implied at that point.

 

[TheVileOne]

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That's pretty much what's implied at that point.

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But I get the ending is like Pan's Labyrinth. Where you interpret whether the ending is just the happy ending dreamed up by Richard Jenkins' character, or it possibly did actually happen that way.

 

[redhawk23]

Del Toro has done many interviews lately but this one is really good and digs into the challenge of making the film at it's budget...and then coming in under budget. A lot of really interesting bits on the writing process as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXcEeh0YRKw&t=1228s

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

I'm happy for Del Toro

He's finally getting the love & recognition he deserves

 

[3rdstone]

Damn, this was a beautiful movie. Since it was hyped here and elsewere, I as usual held my hopes quite low (by experience), but this was in my ballpark in a way I hadn't expected.

The period piece setting was on the spot (judging by that new Cadillac Shannon buys it should be in 1962, although I noticed a coupla other cars that might suggest a year or two later. Nevermind.). Nice reminders of the cold war/"space race", 60s racism etc here as well.

Great casting; Michael Shannon goes full Shannon, and Doug Jones is of course the master of stuff like this. But Sally Hawkins is simply fantastic with her mute acting. I also highly enjoyed Octavia Spencer and Richard Jenkins.

For me personally, this is Del Toros best flick since Pan's Labyrinth.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I kinda hope he goes back to his roots and does a smaller film in spanish next. Hell, he could comeback and win an Oscar, but this time in the foreign film category. lol

 

[3rdstone]

That would be awesome.

 

[Lily Adler]

Shape of Water facing plagiarism allegations

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/os...nations/ar-AAvdjNU?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

 

[Sithborg]

Got tickets for this tomorrow.

 

[redhawk23]

Saw this a second time after seeing it the first time nearly 3 months ago. I'm honestly wondering if there were some additional edits before the film got its full release. There was one particular beat, right at the end that the first time I saw it was cut oddly. It was real abrupt and unclear what had happened. It was much more clear when I saw it last night. It wasn't even matter that I was looking out for it now.

In general, seeing it a second time I was much more aware of what Doug Jones was able to do with a lot of his body language and many more details throughout popped out a lot more.

Love this movie.

 

[redhawk23]

The thing with these accusations of plagiarism is that Guillermo del Toro is more upfront than anyone about his influences. If there is something he likes, he will straight up proselytize to you about it. The man currently has a giant traveling museum show of artifacts relating to everything he loves. If he borrowed anything from anything as specific as a play, he'd be the first person to tell you because he's want you to read or see it.

 

[Sithborg]

Saw it, loved it.

Though, slightly uncomfortable that I brought my mom with me...

 

[redhawk23]

Here is a great break down of the digital effects in Shape of Water.

https://www.fxguide.com/featured/shaping-water-at-mr-x-inc/

I have to say, while there is one fully digital shot of the Fishman towards the end that you can tell is fully digital mostly because he moves so much more than he does anywhere else in the film, this article points out a few other shots where they claims the Fishman is fully digital that is kind of blowing my mind. Holy crap, that is some fine work if that is true.

I have to say, the CG floating hair was so well done I never even questioned. SO MUCH BETTER than the hair in Arrival.

There's a video of some of the background and set replacement effects involved in the film. To a certain degree I almost wish I didn't know about them now. There are a ton of shots and elements that I never questioned or never would have thought they were green screen.

 

[Drizzle]

This movie really made me a Sally Hawkins fan. She was so brilliant in this. This was the first movie I really got to watch her work. Well technically Godzilla was the first movie I saw her in but her talent was clearly wasted there. As good as Frances McDormand was in Three Billboards, I'm pulling for Hawkins for the Best Actress Oscar.

 

[ban768]

Just saw this today. I hated it. Surprised the hell out of me since I have liked all of his films especially The Devil's Backbone and Pacific Rim which was my favorite film of 2013, but The Shape of Water was truly terrible. If I wasn't with my family I would have walked out of the theater midway through it. I disliked pretty much all of the characters in this film expect for Michael Stuhlbarg and I would of said the same for Richard Jenkins if it wasn't for the completely asinine

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scene where he had a very Laissez-faire attitude toward the creature eating his cat and attacking him.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Just saw this today. I hated it. Surprised the hell out of me since I have liked all of his films especially The Devil's Backbone and Pacific Rim which was my favorite film of 2013, but The Shape of Water was truly terrible. If I wasn't with my family I would have walked out of the theater midway through it. I disliked pretty much all of the characters in this film expect for Michael Stuhlbarg and I would of said the same for Richard Jenkins if it wasn't for the completely asinine

Spoiler

scene where he had a very Laissez-faire attitude toward the creature eating his cat and attacking him.

 

[OutOfBoose]

One of better films of late. Sally Hawkins is really great. Didn't like the portrayal of Russian spies, mustache-twirling bad guys.

 

[redhawk23]

One of better films of late. Sally Hawkins is really great. Didn't like the portrayal of Russian spies, mustache-twirling bad guys.

Well, besides Dimitri right? Were the Russians any more mustache twirling than the American military?

 

[scarlet-witch]

This was really good, but it didn't make my personal top 10. Beautiful film, Sally was great. Michael Stuhlbarg isnhaving a great year.

 

[Schlosser85]

Stuhlbarg has been all over the place the last couple years. Steve Jobs, Doctor Strange, Arrival.

This year he's in three of the big awards darlings, The Shape of Water, The Post, and Call Me By Your Name.