Hard to beileve this use to fit....

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't see what the problem is...

We knew this was gonna happen like, a year ago. We knew that Beast was gonna be used as a former student, and we knew he'd be blue, when his cameo had him in human form.

And we're all *****ing about it NOW?!

 

[skruloos]

Look at it from the view of someone who doesn't nitpick through movies. 95% of America did not notice the Beast cameo. It is plausible to simply ignore it.

But the fact that it DOES exist on DVD shows that it cannot simply be ignored. And even if the writers of X3 were expecting to have that be ignored rather then explain it, then thats just sloppy writing.

This could have all been explained by the writing in X3 but it wasn't. A point was made about his being a student but it wasn't really explored. It's simply an unexplained inconsistency.

 

[BlazingBread]

I don't see what the problem is...

We knew this was gonna happen like, a year ago. We knew that Beast was gonna be used as a former student, and we knew he'd be blue, when his cameo had him in human form.

And we're all *****ing about it NOW?!

I honestly thought that Beast was going to transform in this movie cause i try my best to stay away from spoilers til i see the movie.

 

[skruloos]

I don't see what the problem is...

We knew this was gonna happen like, a year ago. We knew that Beast was gonna be used as a former student, and we knew he'd be blue, when his cameo had him in human form.

And we're all *****ing about it NOW?!

Maybe because people actually wait to see a movie before judging it?

 

[Matt]

True. 95% would not have noticed the Beast cameo.

But that's absolutely no excuse!

Doesn't that just constitute bad workmanship? Irresponsible, lazy, bad film making? It's dishonest. It's just saying, 'oh screw the fans, 90% of our revenue comes from people who won't know the difference whether beast has pink or blue fur or three heads'. How can you defend this??

BEcause it was a simple cameo! Thrown in by Bryan Singer as an easter egg, nothing more, nothing less. There are far worthier things to ***** about. Funny that no one is complaining we have had three different Kitty Prydes.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Maybe because people actually wait to see a movie before judging it?

What?

You mean there were people on these forums that waited until the movie to judge it?! Im-****ing-possible! I don't believe you! You're lying!

It wasn't that much of a problem, really. Beast had a blink and you miss it cameo in X2... I think that hardly constitutes a priority to how to handle the movie.

Beast was explained as a former student of Xavier's, who used to be with the X-Men. It's as simple as that.

Blink and you miss it cameos don't dictate how you should tell your story. If that was the case, then Kitty Pryde has been out of continuity, because she's been played by 3 actresses. Same for Pyro who's been played by 2. Same for Colossus and Cerebro, who have had different special effects during their 2 movies.

 

[Matt]

But the fact that it DOES exist on DVD shows that it cannot simply be ignored. And even if the writers of X3 were expecting to have that be ignored rather then explain it, then thats just sloppy writing.

This could have all been explained by the writing in X3 but it wasn't. A point was made about his being a student but it wasn't really explored. It's simply an unexplained inconsistency.

Yes! It can be ignored! Just as Bryan Singer is making a sequel to Superman while ignored Superman 2-4. There was no need to explore it. Going back and saying "Oh, I used to look human but for whatever reason, I don't anymore" would've served no purpose for the movie at hand.

Beast is a former student of Xavier who is now in the President's cabinet. That is all that needs to be known for the sake of the movie's plot.

 

[liamoversion2]

BEcause it was a simple cameo! Thrown in by Bryan Singer as an easter egg, nothing more, nothing less. There are far worthier things to ***** about. Funny that no one is complaining we have had three different Kitty Prydes.

That doesn't bother me... I was actually begging for them to recast Storm.

 

[Matt]

That doesn't bother me... I was actually begging for them to recast Storm.

And yet a blink and you miss it cameo does?

 

[liamoversion2]

And yet a blink and you miss it cameo does?

Doesn't matter that it was 'blink and you miss it'... tens of thousands (probably more) of people were aware of it. And more will be in time to come. Like I said... lazy and dishonest.

And that kind of stuff is all over the movie. That's what has me frustrated. If it was an isolated incident it would be fine - I really wouldn't care. But it's not.

 

[skruloos]

Yes! It can be ignored! Just as Bryan Singer is making a sequel to Superman while ignored Superman 2-4. There was no need to explore it. Going back and saying "Oh, I used to look human but for whatever reason, I don't anymore" would've served no purpose for the movie at hand.

And there really was no purpose to saying he was a former student.

Beast is a former student of Xavier who is now in the President's cabinet. That is all that needs to be known for the sake of the movie's plot.

Except that they make a point to stress Beast's former involvement with Xavier's school and could possibly contradict something from the other two movies which are in continuity with each other because of plot points carried over from one to the other.

If Singer completely ignores Superman II, III, and IV, then I'm fine with that.
But if his plot thread is going straight from StM to SR and completely contradicts something established in StM then I will argue the same side I am arguing now. If Singer chooses to pick and choose what he wants to keep from the other movies, then I will also argue that.

My problem with X3 was that it is a direct sequel to X2, using plot points from X2, and contradicting something shown in X2 and not explaining it at all. If Ratner had chosen to disregard X2 altogether and just pick up from X1's plot points, then I'd be fine. But keep the movies as a whole. If you're going to continue a movie, don't pick and choose what you want to keep and ignore from the previous film your using as your base.

 

[skruloos]

Blink and you miss it cameos don't dictate how you should tell your story. If that was the case, then Kitty Pryde has been out of continuity, because she's been played by 3 actresses. Same for Pyro who's been played by 2. Same for Colossus and Cerebro, who have had different special effects during their 2 movies.

Except that character points for each of those characters were never given in any of the movies. If X3 didn't make a point of it, then there would be no argument. Kitty Pride's appearance in X3 as a character does not contradict any of the previous cameos even if they were different actors. Same with Pyro. But the character point given for Beast does contradict his cameo in X2.

 

[liamoversion2]

And there really was no purpose to saying he was a former student.


Except that they make a point to stress Beast's former involvement with Xavier's school and could possibly contradict something from the other two movies which are in continuity with each other because of plot points carried over from one to the other.

If Singer completely ignores Superman II, III, and IV, then I'm fine with that.
But if his plot thread is going straight from StM to SR and completely contradicts something established in StM then I will argue the same side I am arguing now. If Singer chooses to pick and choose what he wants to keep from the other movies, then I will also argue that.

My problem with X3 was that it is a direct sequel to X2, using plot points from X2, and contradicting something shown in X2 and not explaining it at all. If Ratner had chosen to disregard X2 altogether and just pick up from X1's plot points, then I'd be fine. But keep the movies as a whole. If you're going to continue a movie, don't pick and choose what you want to keep and ignore from the previous film your using as your base.

That's it really. Thanks! Same goes for the lack of continuity with the style of effects used for Jean's powers. e.g. Why are her veins suddenly popping out of her head?

 

[Matt]

And there really was no purpose to saying he was a former student.


Except that they make a point to stress Beast's former involvement with Xavier's school and could possibly contradict something from the other two movies which are in continuity with each other because of plot points carried over from one to the other.

If Singer completely ignores Superman II, III, and IV, then I'm fine with that.
But if his plot thread is going straight from StM to SR and completely contradicts something established in StM then I will argue the same side I am arguing now. If Singer chooses to pick and choose what he wants to keep from the other movies, then I will also argue that.

My problem with X3 was that it is a direct sequel to X2, using plot points from X2, and contradicting something shown in X2 and not explaining it at all. If Ratner had chosen to disregard X2 altogether and just pick up from X1's plot points, then I'd be fine. But keep the movies as a whole. If you're going to continue a movie, don't pick and choose what you want to keep and ignore from the previous film your using as your base.

It was a blink and you miss it cameo.

It wasn't ignoring a plot point. What point is he ignoring? Beast couldn't have transformed in 8 months? Hell, Storm's "I love what you did with your hair" line can even be seen as an implication of that. The only one we saw respond to his TV interview in X-2 is a security guard with no connection to Hank McCoy. It wasn't ignored. He may have transformed in 8 months, if he did, so what? Why mention it, its not important to the plot at hand.

 

[Newb]

Shoes being a good example. I've got plenty of hats and underwear too that don't fit as well as they used to.

Hoarding underwear is a capital offence in my country, the only capital offence really.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

But what was contradictory about it?

Xavier said in X-Men "Storm, Jean, and Cyclops were some of my first students"...

And in X-Men: The Last Stand, it's shown that Beast used to be a student of Xavier's, and he used to be part of the X-Men. And he obviously left (before X-Men) to pursue his career in politics.

But there's a blink and you miss it cameo of Hank as a human on a TV, and all of a sudden you scream it breaks continuity?

 

[liamoversion2]

It was a blink and you miss it cameo.

It wasn't ignoring a plot point. What point is he ignoring? Beast couldn't have transformed in 8 months? Hell, Storm's "I love what you did with your hair" line can even be seen as an implication of that. The only one we saw respond to his TV interview in X-2 is a security guard with no connection to Hank McCoy. It wasn't ignored. He may have transformed in 8 months, if he did, so what? Why mention it, its not important to the plot at hand.

Yeah but it compromises the integrity of the story. The point of a movie is to immerse people as much as possible... not have them thinking 'how the hell did that happen?'

 

[Matt]

Yeah but it compromises the integrity of the story. The point of a movie is to immerse people as much as possible... not have them thinking 'how the hell did that happen?'

But see, movies are made for masses, and since the masses didn't notice that and from the looks of things in this thread, those who did don't care...your point is moot.

 

[liamoversion2]

But see, movies are made for masses, and since the masses didn't notice that and from the looks of things in this thread, those who did don't care...your point is moot.

Well isn't that the problem? That the transition of what I would consider to be very important art (to me anyway) to film is being handled by people who couldn't care less about it?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Oh my ****ing god, talk about over dramatic.

A ****ing blink and you miss it cameo isn't used with the upmost importance in movie continuity, and all of a sudden, these people don't care?!

What the flying ****?!

 

[Darthphere]

Were still arguing this, I closed the debate on this in like the 6th post.

 

[The Batman]

It's not a flaw. He used to be an X-Men member, then he moved on. He just had big hands, big feet, a muscular body and agility before.

We saw him in this human form in X2. During the point where Cerebro is targeting mutants, he was going to be shown turning blue and furry, but they didn't have the budget.

Two years have passed since X2. In that time, we got a new president and Beast joined the government.

Simple really. No flaw. Just needs some common sense. Which is sadly not very common on here. Sometimes it's like the idiot bus has just pulled up in these threads.

I gotta agree.

do you people read X-Men comics, for gods sake? Even a fan with BASIC knowledge would know hank wasnt always blue

 

[Darthphere]

I gotta agree.

do you people read X-Men comics, for gods sake? Even a fan with BASIC knowledge would know hank wasnt always blue

I always assume half of these "X-Fans" arent comic book readers.


NOTE:The quotes are meant to piss people off.

 

[liamoversion2]

I gotta agree.

do you people read X-Men comics, for gods sake? Even a fan with BASIC knowledge would know hank wasnt always blue

That's what the argument is about. That the transition wasn't addressed.

 

[Darthphere]

That's what the argument is about. That the transition wasn't addressed.

Why does it need to? How would it have changed anything?