Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows - Part 2

[redhawk23]

Saw it last night. I really, really enjoyed the film. Rickman absolutely nailed the Prince's Tale scenes. Completely, he was spot on for how I wanted those to play out. I actually heard people crying in my theatre during those scenes.

Overall, it was just a very good film. The only thing that bugged me a bit was the extended fight between Harry and Voldermort at the end. I mean...it's just a bit silly. It's freakin VOLDERMORT here. Harry wouldn't be able to last longer then a minute against him in a real duel. I understand why they did it. It's a movie, they wanted to amp up the action and draw out the suspense, but it was just a bit silly, especially when Voldermort was kicking him and punching him. Too much of the old villain cliche "I'm going to play with my food before I eat it." Especially since he killed Harry right away in the forest and didn't take time to beat the crud out of him for good measure.

Still, it's a minor complaint, and overall, the movie was amazing.

My problem after the extended parts of that duel was how abruptly it just ended with Voldemort crumbling. In the book Harry had a bit of a reverse Bond-villain monologue where he explains to Voldemort why he lost in the end, I can see how that wouldnt quite work in the film but to have nothing there was disappointing. Also the fact that no one else was around to see it happen. Instead of taking place in the great hall in front of everyone they just kind of landed off to the side and a minute later Voldemort was ashes in the wind. Furthermore afterwards no one even commented on it. There just a shot of Luna walking up to Neville and everyone's just kind of sitting around. I mean I know they were all exhausted and many friends were dead, but still Voldemort was dead! Where were the dancing Ewoks? They even had Warick Davis there! jk.

 

[chaseter]

Well if Voldemort wanted, he could have killed everyone in the great hall. If a bad guy is about to die and there are people around, he's gonna take hostages or take people out with him.

 

[GregComicFan]

Not sure if this should be a brand new thread or not...

So now that Harry Potter is over... what would you change?

My changes:

(I read the books, too)

1. If Warner Bros executives could go back in time, I guarantee you Order of the Pheonix would be split into two films and we'd have 9 total Harry Potter movies. With the success of splitting Deathly Hallows into two parts, I bet more book adaptations of other popular series are going to this same thing. I don't see SS, COS, POA needing two movies; they're fine how they are. Some might argue Goblet and Half-Blood Prince need two movies but I beg to differ. OOTP definitely needed a "Part 2". Too bad Warner Bros didn't trust the series enough at that point to say "You know what? We're going to milk this series and start splitting up the books into two movies each..." ... why it took until Book 7 to do this, I don't know.

2. John Williams. I don't blame a guy for not wanting to score 8 movies in the same series... but he was sorely missed after POA. One of my favorite scenes in DH2 was when Harry returns to Hogwarts, enters the dorm room, and "Harry's Wonderous World" theme is played. The scores for Potter 1-3 are memorable and fantastic. I liked the score to Goblet, but I don't even remember ANYTHING from OOTP and HBP. The scores to DH1 and DH2 were serviceable and much better than OOTP and HBP, but still... the movie lost a lot of its continuity musically when Williams left. He was building so many brilliant themes... I can't imagine how different the films would feel if Williams had stayed aboard... I would of liked to hear the music for the Dementors/Patronus played again during all the times the spell was used... Dobby's wonderful, weird, befuddled theme when he returned in DH1... Williams had a theme for Voldermort (from SS), but it's never heard again since he left with Goblet, and so on... and so on...

 

[redhawk23]

If they had started earlier with splitting the books in two I really don't think the cast would have made it all the way through. And for the most part it wouldnt have been needed. They could have done more with OotP as a single film, and from what I've heard they did, just much of it was cut out in the theatrical release.

 

[redhawk23]

Well if Voldemort wanted, he could have killed everyone in the great hall. If a bad guy is about to die and there are people around, he's gonna take hostages or take people out with him.

He could have done that at anytime.

 

[Angel_Faerie]

If "A Window To The Past" had played during the Resurrection Stone scene I would have been a goner.

 

[Infinity9999x]

For those who discount voldemort's power because he loses to "some punk kid" you have to remember that by the final fight, Vodemort is 6/7 dead. The horcruxes that he made as a security measure were ultimately his undoing.

Also his own actions set in motion the chain of events that led to his own demise. By attacking the infant Harry he "marked him as his equal." Harry may technically not have been as powerful as Vodemort or Dumbledore or any number of other powerful wizards. However he was the only one put in a position, the only one who's lifetime of circumstances gave him the ability to defeat Voldemort. And its more than just his own personal abilities. When Voldemort marked Harry as his equal, he marked him as a rallying flag around which Voldemort's enemies could gather. Because of Voldemort's actions people believed in Harry and were willing to help him, to lay down their lives to protect him.

I'm not discounting Voldermort's power. The thing that's ridiculous is that Harry actually fights Voldermort for an extended period of time in the movie. And that's just foolish. Harry is no where near Voldermort in skill. Voldmort's fall to Harry in the books made sense, because Harry didn't actually fight Voldermort, it was literally one spell and that was it.

Harry has never, and probably will never, be a person who could take Voldermort on in a one-on-one duel. He just doesn't have the skill. Dumbledore was the only wizard that could have managed that.

Still, it's not a huge negative for me. I expected them to do that, because it is a movie. Just a minor gripe.

 

[GregComicFan]

Harry has never, and probably will never, be a person who could take Voldermort on in a one-on-one duel. He just doesn't have the skill. Dumbledore was the only wizard that could have managed that.

Still, it's not a huge negative for me. I expected them to do that, because it is a movie. Just a minor gripe.

Why does it seem like major Harry Potter fans don't like giving Harry the ability to fight the villain? I don't mind Potter being able to go toe-to-toe with Voldermort. It doesn't make Dumbledore any less powerful or make Voldermort seem any weaker... Harry's gone through quite a lot and fought a slew of major foes throughout his life... fought many many deatheaters... I would imagine he's gained quite a bit of experience and skill...

 

[danoyse]

I think Voldemort was playing with him. There was no need for him to start physically beating him either, but he did it because he wanted to make him suffer first.

Can I also point out that the delivery of Mrs. Weasley's line was everything I imagined it would be and more?

 

[danoyse]

If "A Window To The Past" had played during the Resurrection Stone scene I would have been a goner.

I was already gone. And Hagrid's reaction when he saw Harry? Forget it.

 

[chaseter]

He could have done that at anytime.

When? If he knew he was going to lose, he would have done so. He didn't know he was going to lose until they were outside alone.

 

[Angel_Faerie]

I was already gone. And Hagrid's reaction when he saw Harry? Forget it.

Oh me too. I was just trying to say my reaction would have been ten times worse.

 

[danoyse]

When Voldemort disentegrated, all I could think of was that song Peeves was singing at the end of the book: "Voldy's gone moldy!"

 

[Infinity9999x]

Why does it seem like major Harry Potter fans don't like giving Harry the ability to fight the villain? I don't mind Potter being able to go toe-to-toe with Voldermort. It doesn't make Dumbledore any less powerful or make Voldermort seem any weaker... Harry's gone through quite a lot and fought a slew of major foes throughout his life... fought many many deatheaters... I would imagine he's gained quite a bit of experience and skill...

Well yes, it does downplay both Dumbledore and Voldermort. Both of these wizards are men who have studied magic for years and YEARS beyond Harry. In addition, they also had tons more natural ability. It was well established in the books that Harry wouldn't stand a chance against Voldermort in a fight. It's just being realistic. He's a 17 year old kid who had trouble mastering non verbal spells.

At 16, Voldermort was already making horocruxes, and Dumbledore was conferring with the highest magical minds of his day. Harry is a gifted wizard, but he has never, and will never be on the same level as Voldermort or Dumbledore. Or Grindelwald.

I think Voldemort was playing with him. There was no need for him to start physically beating him either, but he did it because he wanted to make him suffer first.

Can I also point out that the delivery of Mrs. Weasley's line was everything I imagined it would be and more?

He was, and it was the extremely cliche villain "play with my food before I eat it," thing, and that gets old. Not to mention it didn't make sense, because he didn't do that in the forest at all. He just killed him right off the bat. And again, it's not a major gripe for me, I expected them to draw out the final fight, but it was just a little silly.

 

[redhawk23]

When? If he knew he was going to lose, he would have done so. He didn't know he was going to lose until they were outside alone.

No, I understand you, I'm just saying if he wanted to wipe everyone out he could have just done so at anytime.

 

[Angel_Faerie]

When Voldemort disentegrated, all I could think of was that song Peeves was singing at the end of the book: "Voldy's gone moldy!"

I wish Peeves had been in the movies.

 

[Drizzle]

Did anybody else really like this:

When Nevell introduced Harry to all the students back at Hogwarts, inside the dorm room... Harry pops up on screen and they played John William's theme "Harry's Wonderous World" from the Sorceror's Stone soundtrack?

That was probably my favorite scene of the movie. I'm a sucker for good scores and character themes. It was the first time in the movie versions that I fully saw Harry as the hero... just cause it was like "Yeah! Harry's back! Here's his theme song!"... it made him look like the beloved high school football team quarterback.

I loved that too. They should have incorporated more of Williams' themes. For example, they could have used "A Window to the Past" from POA when [BLACKOUT]Harry sees the ghosts of his parents, Sirius and Lupin in the forest[/BLACKOUT]. I also liked that they reused the death of Dumbledore music from HBP during Snape's memory.

 

[danoyse]

He was, and it was the extremely cliche villain "play with my food before I eat it," thing, and that gets old. Not to mention it didn't make sense, because he didn't do that in the forest at all. He just killed him right off the bat. And again, it's not a major gripe for me, I expected them to draw out the final fight, but it was just a little silly.

I thought it was kinda cool. Actually, what I liked about the new faceoff was how shaky Harry's voice was when he was trying to tell him about the wand. In the book, he was so confident when they were circling each other he almost sounded like someone else. In the the movie it was like Voldemort was just an enraged animal and Harry was scared ****less of him, which I totally would have been too. He was still trying to give him that chance to understand and it was clear that just wasn't going to happen.

That image of the Malfoys running like hell was a nice addition too.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I thought it was kinda cool. Actually, what I liked about the new faceoff was how shaky Harry's voice was when he was trying to tell him about the wand. In the book, he was so confident when they were circling each other he almost sounded like someone else. In the the movie it was like Voldemort was just an enraged animal and Harry was scared ****less of him, which I totally would have been too. He was still trying to give him that chance to understand and it was clear that just wasn't going to happen.

That image of the Malfoys running like hell was a nice addition too.

I liked the Malfoys ending as well. And I liked Harry when he was talking to Voldermort in the movie as well. I do wish we could have seen the talk like Harry did in the book, but part of the reason I loved it in the book is that Harry was echoing the calm demeanor Dumbledore showed in front of Voldermort in BK5, and since we didn't get that in the movies I didn't expect to see it on film.

Still, it's like I said, I just though it was a little silly that Harry had an extended fight with Voldermort. It looked cool, and I didn't mind it much, but if we're being real here, Harry wouldn't have been able to hold Voldermort off for longer then a minute.

 

[Dwarf Slayer]

Why does it seem like major Harry Potter fans don't like giving Harry the ability to fight the villain? I don't mind Potter being able to go toe-to-toe with Voldermort. It doesn't make Dumbledore any less powerful or make Voldermort seem any weaker... Harry's gone through quite a lot and fought a slew of major foes throughout his life... fought many many deatheaters... I would imagine he's gained quite a bit of experience and skill...

It's because Harry isn't talented enough to approach the abilities of Dumbledore or Voldemort. All of Harry's success has been either luck or some other kind of intervention.

Harry surviving the killing curse as a baby. Lily was responsible for that.

Harry surviving Professor Quirrell/Voldemort. Lily again.

Harry fighting the Basalisk. Dumbledore sent Faux to blind it and bring the sorting hat for Harry to pull the Sword of Griffindor out. Faux later saves him from dying from the Basalisk poison.

Harry was only able to get as far as he did in Triwizard Tournament because of help from Barty Crouch Jr.

Harry against Voldemort in Goblet. Priori Incantatem from the two wands. Which is a result of the horcrux in Harry.

Harry and Dumbledore's Army against the Death Eaters. The OOTP had to save them.

Dumbledore saved Harry against Voldemort at the end of OOTP.

Dumbledore had to save Harry again in the horcrux cave in HBP. Harry was easily knocked out by Snape as well.

In DH, Harry is only able to defeat Voldemort because of a long string of events set up by Dumbledore and Snape.

Harry is just a kid compared to true masters and innovators of magic like Dumbledore and Voldemort.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Indeed and I have no problem with that. He's still just a teen. I'm assuming by the epilogue of Deathly Hallows, he becomes a pretty powerful auror.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I think Voldemort was playing with him. There was no need for him to start physically beating him either, but he did it because he wanted to make him suffer first.

Can I also point out that the delivery of Mrs. Weasley's line was everything I imagined it would be and more?

People at my theater did a standing ovation when she said it. The whole theater applauded.

 

[Longshot777]

Ok I thought that Harry Potter was SUPPOSE to Die???


Once Voldemort blasted him and destroyed the horocrux....Harry should be dead. What is up with that??

Also,


If they can Teleport at will....why do they need the flying brooms to get out of that fire????

 

[lime]

They obviously showed that Harry can fight Voldemort because the elder wand just stopped Voldemort to use he's full potential. And the wand just keep protecting it's true master. They actually weight in on that. Watch the duel closely and you will see that the wand keeps weakening Voldemorts spells.

 

[danoyse]

Ok I thought that Harry Potter was SUPPOSE to Die???


Once Voldemort blasted him and destroyed the horocrux....Harry should be dead. What is up with that??

Also,


If they can Teleport at will....why do they need the flying brooms to get out of that fire????

Harry had a choice in the afterlife, when he was with Dumbledore. He could go back, or go on. He chose to come back to help the others.

Normally, you can't Apparate inside Hogwarts.