Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows - Part 2

[TripleR]

I'm curious, people who saw the midnight showing, what trailers were with it?

 

[Liam_H]

I'm literally watching HBP and I've got the book open right in front of me right now. I remembered those exact quotes about the prophecy, because of the part about Harry thinking of how his mother could have kissed him goodbye if Voldemort had just chosen Neville instead.

Yes, such a conflicting emotion; Harry wanted his parents to be alive so badly that he would have taken the chance of Voldemort continuing to reign if he went after Neville.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wrong. Voldemort chose Harry. He could have just as easily have chosen Neville.

As as whether or not Neville would have survived, another direct quote from the book:



We don't know if Neville would have survived the curse. I think that he would have.

Don't agree. There is no chance, only choice. But choice is based on the person. Who they are and what they are made of. The make up of Lily, James, Voldemort, Sirius, Harry, Snape, the Dursleys, the Longbottoms and others matters. Harry endures because he is Harry. Lily did what she did because she is Lily. Voldemort made his choice because he is Voldemort.

Harry's musing is simply just that, musing. Voldemort killed plenty of people. Neville would of just been another one of them.

There is also the little thing about Harry being the true [BLACKOUT]"Master of Death"[/BLACKOUT].

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes, once Voldemort chose to go after Harry the prophecy was Harry's and Neville was at that point out of the equation.

So what, who could access the prophecy simply changed when Voldemort made his choice?

 

[danoyse]

Yes, such a conflicting emotion; Harry wanted his parents to be alive so badly that he would have taken the chance of Voldemort continuing to reign if he went after Neville.

There wasn't a moment in any of these books were Harry wasn't aching for his parents. He never wanted to be "chosen", or a hero. He just wanted to be home, with a family who loved him.

 

[Liam_H]

There wasn't a moment in any of these books were Harry wasn't aching for his parents. He never wanted to be "chosen", or a hero. He just wanted to be home, with a family who loved him.

Yes but this was a moment where it actually seemed like it was a real possibility; he always thought his life was this path. He really wanted to just say rewind to the past, forget his destiny, and let Voldemort go after Neville so he could have his mom and dad.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But he never would, because Harry is Harry.

 

[Liam_H]

Indeed, Harry is Harry. The epilogue may have been cheesy as hell but he was truly happy finally.

 

[danoyse]

Don't agree. There is no chance, only choice. But choice is based on the person. Who they are and what they are made of. The make up of Lily, James, Voldemort, Sirius, Harry, Snape, the Dursleys, the Longbottoms and others matters. Harry endures because he is Harry. Lily did what she did because she is Lily. Voldemort made his choice because he is Voldemort.

Harry's musing is simply just that, musing. Voldemort killed plenty of people. Neville would of just been another one of them.

There is also the little thing about Harry being the true [BLACKOUT]"Master of Death"[/BLACKOUT].

The prophecy referred to either of them when it was made. Again, a quote from the book - this time Order of the Phoenix:

"The odd thing is, Harry, that it may not have meant you at all. Sibyll's prophecy could have applied to two wizard boys, both born at the end of July that year, both of whom had parents in the Order of the Phoenix, both parents having narrowly escaped Voldemort three times. One, of course, was you. The other was Neville Longbottom."

He chose Harry instead of Neville, because Neville was a pure-blood. It was his choice, not something pre-ordained that it must have meant Harry.

Once he marked Harry as his equal, the prophecy at that point only belonged to Harry, which is why Harry is able to access it. If it had been the other way around, if Neville was the one marked and had survived, it would have been him instead of Harry who could access the prophecy.

There was nothing more special about either of them, it was all up to the one Voldemort chose it to be about.

Voldemort believed the prophecy was that a boy would be born who would be able to destroy him, but that was only part of the prophecy, and since he didn't know the rest, he got it all wrong. The prophecy was that a boy would be born that month who Voldemort would mark as his equal, thus giving that boy the power to kill him.

The whole thing is Voldemort's fault - if he'd left them both alone the prophecy would not have come true.

 

[Liam_H]

Spill.com's review

These guys never cease to make me laugh..

As soon as Cyrus goes: "some ole' bulls**t"
Korey: "WHHHHAAAAAAAAAA"

LOL

 

[Octoberist]

I love spill.com but I tend to question Cyrus' and Leon's review. I tend to agree with Korey though he was harsh on Bridesmaids.

 

[Liam_H]

I love spill.com but I tend to question Cyrus' and Leon's review. I tend to agree with Korey though he was harsh on Bridesmaids.

Yes he was but differing opinions is what makes their reviews so fun to listen to sometimes.

 

[Octoberist]

They're fun.

Cargyle left and I wasn't too surprised. I know he's a busy guy with ain't it cool and te like(and the only one who is married) but I felt he was over spill for a while. It wasn't a priority for him and you could tell by his reduced role on the site.


Not to say he isn't still working for spill since he is still a writer for Hollywood.com and film.com who owns spill.

 

[Liam_H]

^Well the guy is busy developing his movie and novel. Sad to see him go but glad to see he's doing some great things.

 

[Octoberist]

What's his projects?

 

[Liam_H]

What's his projects?

Well he's already sold a screenplay he has been developing with someone else and he said he's working on a book also. Don't know what its about but it was mentioned during his last official podcast of ACOCO(the one at spill dot con).

 

[Octoberist]

I read about that. I always saw him as the renowned out of the bunch. Gonna miss him..

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The prophecy referred to either of them when it was made. Again, a quote from the book - this time Order of the Phoenix:

He chose Harry instead of Neville, because Neville was a pure-blood. It was his choice, not something pre-ordained that it must have meant Harry.

Once he marked Harry as his equal, the prophecy at that point only belonged to Harry, which is why Harry is able to access it. If it had been the other way around, if Neville was the one marked and had survived, it would have been him instead of Harry who could access the prophecy.

There was nothing more special about either of them, it was all up to the one Voldemort chose it to be about.

Voldemort believed the prophecy was that a boy would be born who would be able to destroy him, but that was only part of the prophecy, and since he didn't know the rest, he got it all wrong. The prophecy was that a boy would be born that month who Voldemort would mark as his equal, thus giving that boy the power to kill him.

The whole thing is Voldemort's fault - if he'd left them both alone the prophecy would not have come true.

I have read that part and had this discussion many times. What I think we disagree on is the sentiment of the words. "The odd thing is, Harry, that it may not have meant you at all."

No where does it say Neville could of been The Boy Who Lived, just that according to the wording of the prophecy, it may have been Neville. That does not mean Neville was ever going to be the one to stop Voldemort. Just that theoretically it could of happened. It is like when you hear stories of people who were going to be at the site of a great accident or tragedy, or weren't because they had a flat tire or called in sick to work.

And I disagree, there is something very special, very unique about each boy.

Finally, about the bold part, that is kind of my point. The characters are who they are, and thus make choices that put themselves on these paths. The prophecy was always going to be come true. Why? Because unless Voldemort destroyed all the horcruxes and then offed himself with a wand blast to the head, he would of eventually had to face Harry.That is the whole point. The Boy Who Lived was born to stop a purely evil man. Now whether Voldemort went after Harry as a baby or not, it makes no difference. It delays the inevitable.

Voldemort wasn't going to stop fighting, stop looking for immortally. His hate for muggles and fear of death is what makes him the man he is.

 

[Ipodman]

Just watched it, I liked it.... probably my second fav HP, my fav being the first film.

 

[Octoberist]

1. How was Snape's scenes handled? His redemption ad the truth, that is.

2. How was the Dark Knught Rises teaser and it's reaction?

 

[luke1234]

Awesome Sauce, did tear up a bit

9/10

Alan Rickman, Danielle Radcliffe, and Ralph Fiennes brought this baby home all the way

 

[danoyse]

I'm going to warn everyone now: we have a Batman forum if you want to go into details about the teaser. Beyond audience reaction and whether or not you liked the teaser, take that talk to the Bat-forums.

 

[marty mcfly]

Saw a bunch of trailers... Arthur Christmas (gag me), Happy Feet 2, The Dark Knight Rises (awesome), Sherlock Holmes, Captain America and Cowboys & Aliens.

Loved. Every. Second. I have actually read all the books and I think that all of the decisions made to adapt the movie made sense. There were a few things cut, or shortened, a few things rearranged, and a few things added but all in all I thought they were justifiable changes...

The first few minutes get you back into the story from P1, and then it's pretty much non-stop from there. The acting is top notch (who could have guessed that Radcliffe, Grint and Watson would have been this good 10 years ago?), the CGI is incredible, the action was well paced and beautifully shot, and the drama was intense. I'm not a big cryer, but there were several moments (see: the entire movie) that I started to get choked up.

The only part that I didn't think was really necessary was [BLACKOUT]Harry's death-dream sequence. It was still beautiful and REALLY well done, but it kinda took me out of the moment a little bit.[/BLACKOUT] Of course I don't have a problem with it, but if it were gone I wouldn't have missed it.

All of the important beats from the book were there and were done with a lot of heart. All of the child actors were in top form, giving the adults a run for their money. I just can't get over how far these kids have come.

[BLACKOUT]Finally, the epilogue: I thought this was handled really well. Yes, it was pretty cheesey. I'm REALLY glad they reshot this part, because the original hair/makeup for the main stars was awful. This made them look a lot more like their mid-late 30s (except Ginny's outfit made her look 50) and when I really think hard about it, I don't think there's anything I would have done differently. The only other way to do something like this would be to recast older actors, but that wouldn't feel right. I also feel like I was taken out of the moment by a bunch of laughing tweens. They ruin everything.[/BLACKOUT]

Overall I give this badboy an A+ because it was exactly what it needed to be and it kicked *** the whole time.

 

[luke1234]

I just wanted to say that for everyone seeing this tonight (myself included), I hope the experience lives up to all expectations, and that you walk away satisfied...and not too teary-eyed (again, myself included).

It's been a pleasure discussing Potter with you all over the past little while in this (these) thread(s), and it's nice to have been able to unite over something together. There is a bit of a small pocket of posters in particular that frequent the Potter threads, and, again, it's been really great chatting about the series with you. I hope you all enjoy the film whenever you may see it, and, on the bright side, it'll be fun to return here and chat again after it all ends.

Enjoy.

 

[danoyse]

I have read that part and had this discussion many times. What I think we disagree on is the sentiment of the words. "The odd thing is, Harry, that it may not have meant you at all."

No where does it say Neville could of been The Boy Who Lived, just that according to the wording of the prophecy, it may have been Neville. That does not mean Neville was ever going to be the one to stop Voldemort. Just that theoretically it could of happened. It is like when you hear stories of people who were going to be at the site of a great accident or tragedy, or weren't because they had a flat tire or called in sick to work.

And I disagree, there is something very special, very unique about each boy.

Finally, about the bold part, that is kind of my point. The characters are who they are, and thus make choices that put themselves on these paths. The prophecy was always going to be come true. Why? Because unless Voldemort destroyed all the horcruxes and then offed himself with a wand blast to the head, he would of eventually had to face Harry.That is the whole point. The Boy Who Lived was born to stop a purely evil man. Now whether Voldemort went after Harry as a baby or not, it makes no difference. It delays the inevitable.

Voldemort wasn't going to stop fighting, stop looking for immortally. His hate for muggles and fear of death is what makes him the man he is.

I agree that the prophecy was always about how Voldemort was going to choose Harry based on a prophecy he misunderstood in the first place, but it still remains that all of it was based on the fact that he was the one who chose between the two boys in the first place. The prophecy basically foretold that he was going to choose either Neville or Harry.