Harry using Original Green Goblin Costume?

[omid17]

Yea, Harry listened close when Peter and Norman went over flying machines and Glider Aeronautics 101.

or maby he practice after his father was killed. Its been 4 years im sure harry had time to practice

 

[Spidey-Sean]

Lastly, the glider is as thin as a snowboard...literally. Where are all the propulsion system and fuel stored? Where are they weapons located? How can all that fit into a 1-2 inch thick metal board?

Wait a second wait a second. You can't get over Harry's glider yet there is man made entirely out of Sand in this movie. . . This is fantasy, don't sweat the small stuff, even if the glider design doesn't make much sense and you may like the design of the first one better. Sandman, alien costumes, and even a guy crawling up walls are there for fun, to suspend disbelief. That's the point of movies, especially those with the comic book superhero flavor.

 

[chaseter]

Wait a second wait a second. You can't get over Harry's glider yet there is man made entirely out of Sand in this movie. . . This is fantasy, don't sweat the small stuff, even if the glider design doesn't make much sense and you may like the design of the first one better. Sandman, alien costumes, and even a guy crawling up walls are there for fun, to suspend disbelief. That's the point of movies, especially those with the comic book superhero flavor.

I am not retarted thank you. It just makes me mad that Sam deviated so hugely from Harry in the comics and the cartoon. This Harry is nothing at all like his counterpart. I mean look at Sandman, look at Venom, look at Doc Ock, look at them all and tell me they are not perfect transitions from ink to movie. Sam sets a world for us to see. A world that could actually exist. He scientifically explains everything and his world is seamless. I just think his idea of what Harry should look like is wrong. I have had no problem what so ever with any character until now. But like I said, I will still love this movie and it will more than likely be the best comic book movie I have ever seen. It will smash all box office records and beat down the competition. This is only a nitpick, not a major problem that I can't get over. It just makes more sense for Harry to use his father's old stuff. It doesn't make sense that he would design a totally new outfit, board, etc...during the time between SM2 and SM3. Sam even said that SM3 happens right after where we left out in SM2...perhaps weeks to a few months. If they explain where Harry got the glider in the movie and his reasonings behind him making the drastically new looking costume, I will be pleased. But if the movie starts off with Harry flying in with his new swag and his swift snowboard without any explanation within the entire movie, I will be dissapointed...because it is out of Harry's character to build such a device. I also want to see him take the serum as well. If he doesn't, there is no way he can stay toe to toe with Spider-Man. There is just a lot of stuff I want answered hopefully in the next trailer or when the movie comes out in May. Harry is a great character and such a huge part of the Spider-Man lore. Just tossing aside his history to make him look cooler is wrong IMO. And don't get me started on Gwen because she should have died in SM1 at the hands of GG...another topic for another time. But it is great to see finally see her in SM3.

 

[Spider-Girl™]

or maby he practice after his father was killed. Its been 4 years im sure harry had time to practice

4 yrs? Since what? Norman Sr.'s death? more like 2 and a half years. And if we want to count the time between the end of 2 and when he gets it in 3, I'd say he's only had about 6 months to "practice." If he can ride a skateboard or a snowboard then I doub't it would be hard to ride the sky stick, that's probably another reason Raimi and Co. went with it. It's not like Norman's were you need a kenetic device on your head to use it. It's so simple even a caveman could do it.

edit: chaseter, i couldn't tell you how he got the suit and the glider, but I will confirm for you that he takes the serum.

 

[omid17]

I am not retarted thank you. It just makes me mad that Sam deviated so hugely from Harry in the comics and the cartoon. This Harry is nothing at all like his counterpart. I mean look at Sandman, look at Venom, look at Doc Ock, look at them all and tell me they are not perfect transitions from ink to movie. Sam sets a world for us to see. A world that could actually exist. He scientifically explains everything and his world is seamless. I just think his idea of what Harry should look like is wrong. I have had no problem what so ever with any character until now. But like I said, I will still love this movie and it will more than likely be the best comic book movie I have ever seen. It will smash all box office records and beat down the competition. This is only a nitpick, not a major problem that I can't get over. It just makes more sense for Harry to use his father's old stuff. It doesn't make sense that he would design a totally new outfit, board, etc...during the time between SM2 and SM3. Sam even said that SM3 happens right after where we left out in SM2...perhaps weeks to a few months. If they explain where Harry got the glider in the movie and his reasonings behind him making the drastically new looking costume, I will be pleased. But if the movie starts off with Harry flying in with his new swag and his swift snowboard without any explanation within the entire movie, I will be dissapointed...because it is out of Harry's character to build such a device. I also want to see him take the serum as well. If he doesn't, there is no way he can stay toe to toe with Spider-Man. There is just a lot of stuff I want answered hopefully in the next trailer or when the movie comes out in May. Harry is a great character and such a huge part of the Spider-Man lore. Just tossing aside his history to make him look cooler is wrong IMO. And don't get me started on Gwen because she should have died in SM1 at the hands of GG...another topic for another time. But it is great to see finally see her in SM3.

Another reason why i think Sam made a new suit for harry is because of buisness. People dont want to see Green Goblin again(only some fanboys). They wana see a more deadly than scary looking villain.

 

[Spider-Girl™]

Another reason why i think Sam made a new suit for harry is because of buisness. People dont want to see Green Goblin again(only some fanboys). They wana see a more deadly than scary looking villain.

EXACTLY!!!!!! Thank You Omid! For people who aren't fanboys/girls like some of us, the general public wouldn't want to go see another movie with a Goblin in it, atleast anything that would resemble Norman Sr.'s goblin. They'd say, "Why would I wanna see a movie about a Goblin again, isn't that what the first one was about?"

Trust me, I've heard it. I like the look Harry has, and you can still see his sexy hair. Franco wouldn't have looked right in a goblin suit anyway. I've grown attatched to the New Goblin.

 

[dark_b]

i agree. the only reason why they changed the look was because of the general public. its like having dock ock again. they want something new.

 

[chaseter]

We don't want the same exact costume. I understand it has to change. But to not incorporate any goblin features on his costume and make a dumb looking snowboard is stupid IMO. Harry should be Green Goblin 2...end of story. Not Night Surfer, not New Goblin, etc...That is like calling Sandman DirtGuy or calling Venom even Bizarro Spidey. You don't change the names of the characters because you want seperation from other films. Most of the public are not idiots and they can see the difference between the two. It wouldn't be at all hard to have had Harry change his father's suit but still retain some features as an homage to fans. What is the point in having a character in a movie if he is nothing like his colorful and rich comic source?

 

[Mr Jide]

or maby he practice after his father was killed. Its been 4 years im sure harry had time to practice

Nope. Norman wasn't exactly tarined or had any prior skill in actually physically using the glider, afterall he was a scientist and businessman, not some sort of universal soldier. I dont know how long sm3 is supposed to be after sm2 but practise has nothing to do with Harry's gliding skills. Its as if once he samples some of that green steam everything else just comes natural.

 

[Buford The Sly]

He should come back in this. I always liked this design better anyways.
http://pub44.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?img=64099&usernum=3697894404

 

[SamuraiSon6]

i actually dont mind the upper part of the new suit, its just that in some shots, the bottoms look like a pair of Dickie's Workpants from Sears

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

We don't want the same exact costume. I understand it has to change. But to not incorporate any goblin features on his costume and make a dumb looking snowboard is stupid IMO. Harry should be Green Goblin 2...end of story. Not Night Surfer, not New Goblin, etc...That is like calling Sandman DirtGuy or calling Venom even Bizarro Spidey. You don't change the names of the characters because you want seperation from other films. Most of the public are not idiots and they can see the difference between the two. It wouldn't be at all hard to have had Harry change his father's suit but still retain some features as an homage to fans. What is the point in having a character in a movie if he is nothing like his colorful and rich comic source?

these movie won't ever be exact things from the comics. if harry isn't a goblin then what is the reason for ghim to wear a goblin costume? harry is out for revenge but it doesn't mean he has to specificley wear a goblin costume, I mean harrys outfit is a suit with all the weapons to kill peter because he know it will be a challenge. harry doesn't need to go and put on a goblin suit if he's not going to terrify innocent people, he's innocent because he doesn't even succesfully defeat peter and it's like harry is being forced to do something that his father wants him to do but he's hesitating because of it.

 

[Infinity9999x]

these movie won't ever be exact things from the comics. if harry isn't a goblin then what is the reason for ghim to wear a goblin costume? harry is out for revenge but it doesn't mean he has to specificley wear a goblin costume, I mean harrys outfit is a suit with all the weapons to kill peter because he know it will be a challenge. harry doesn't need to go and put on a goblin suit if he's not going to terrify innocent people, he's innocent because he doesn't even succesfully defeat peter and it's like harry is being forced to do something that his father wants him to do but he's hesitating because of it.

Harry's father, doesn't actually want him to do anything. Harry's dad is dead. Harry thinks his father is telling him to kill Peter, and Harry's not hesitating, he goes all out and tries to do it.

Now, there is no reason in the movie why Harry shouldn't have the Green Goblin costume. He should have worn it, but we all know he doesn't, which goes against his character and changes him quite a bit from the comics. And this isn't a small villian we're talking about either, Harry was a main baddie for quite a few years, so not having him be GG2 is really like calling the Joker "Mr. Smiley" in the next Batman movie, and giving him a whole new look. There's just no reason for it.

edit: Actually I take that back. There's was no reason for Harry in the previous two movies not to follow in the footsteps of his comic counterpart, but there is a reason for him not wearing the goblin outfit, and that reason is simple. Sam Rami wanted to do it differently. Is that bad? Well, in this case, I think it was. I liked Harry's character better when he became the Goblin, and I think if he had set it up differently, it would have been a cool opportunity to fool the audience a bit and have them think that norman possibly returned from the dead. (they would have had to change the ending of SM2 to do this, but I think it would have been cool).

Really it all comes down to which version you like, and I like the version I grew up with and that has been established for the past 30 years.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Harry's father, doesn't actually want him to do anything. Harry's dad is dead. Harry thinks his father is telling him to kill Peter, and Harry's not hesitating, he goes all out and tries to do it.

Now, there is no reason in the movie why Harry shouldn't have the Green Goblin costume. He should have worn it, but we all know he doesn't, which goes against his character and changes him quite a bit from the comics. And this isn't a small villian we're talking about either, Harry was a main baddie for quite a few years, so not having him be GG2 is really like calling the Joker "Mr. Smiley" in the next Batman movie, and giving him a whole new look. There's just no reason for it.

edit: Actually I take that back. There's was no reason for Harry in the previous two movies not to follow in the footsteps of his comic counterpart, but there is a reason for him not wearing the goblin outfit, and that reason is simple. Sam Rami wanted to do it differently. Is that bad? Well, in this case, I think it was. I liked Harry's character better when he became the Goblin, and I think if he had set it up differently, it would have been a cool opportunity to fool the audience a bit and have them think that norman possibly returned from the dead. (they would have had to change the ending of SM2 to do this, but I think it would have been cool).

Really it all comes down to which version you like, and I like the version I grew up with and that has been established for the past 30 years.

if they did this in the comics then it would have been bad but in the films harry has to know that his best friend is trying to help him. afterall it's sam's interpertation of harry osborn though his interpertation is preety close to the comics. I mean harrys reason for not wearing the goblin costume is simple and that is because he probably didn't even want to wear the goblin costume so he decided to make his own suit that has all the weapons he needs.

makes sense doesn't it? now harry not wearing the goblin costume is okay because you still know he made his promise from spidey1 that he would get revenge on peter and he did. I know you wanted harry to wear the goblin suit but would it really be the right desicsion? I don't think so, to me atleast. It's not going to change harrys whole motive and story.

 

[Buford The Sly]

Maybe the orginal Goblin outfit just isn't his size...t:

 

[Venom 1988]

these movie won't ever be exact things from the comics. if harry isn't a goblin then what is the reason for ghim to wear a goblin costume? harry is out for revenge but it doesn't mean he has to specificley wear a goblin costume, I mean harrys outfit is a suit with all the weapons to kill peter because he know it will be a challenge. harry doesn't need to go and put on a goblin suit if he's not going to terrify innocent people, he's innocent because he doesn't even succesfully defeat peter and it's like harry is being forced to do something that his father wants him to do but he's hesitating because of it.

Except for the fact that he is a Goblin. Regardless if hes actually going to be named or not in the movie, hes being referred to as "New Goblin". And seeing as he is a "Goblin", he looks nothing like one.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Except for the fact that he is a Goblin. Regardless if hes actually going to be named or not in the movie, hes being referred to as "New Goblin". And seeing as he is a "Goblin", he looks nothing like one.

hence why his name is "New Goblin". it's more like a highly updated version of the Green Goblins costume.

 

[Venom 1988]

hence why his name is "New Goblin". it's more like a highly updated version of the Green Goblins costume.

First off, if anything its a downgrade. Second your missing my point. Your saying the reason for him to not wear a goblin costume is because hes not a goblin, but he is one though.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

First off, if anything its a downgrade. Second your missing my point. Your saying the reason for him to not wear a goblin costume is because hes not a goblin, but he is one though.

now I see. well even though he probably IS a goblin like you said, it wouldn't make sense in the story for harry to actually wear the Green Goblin costume or else he would be permanetley on the evil side.

 

[Infinity9999x]

now I see. well even though he probably IS a goblin like you said, it wouldn't make sense in the story for harry to actually wear the Green Goblin costume or else he would be permanetley on the evil side.

No, no he wouldn't. We covered this yesterday remember? Harry wearing the Goblin suit would in no way mean that he would be "permanetley on the evil side."

Comic Harry wore a Goblin costume and died a hero, I don't see why you think that if movie Harry wears a Goblin outfit that he would stay a villian.

 

[chaseter]

For people to say it's ok for Harry to be called New Goblin or Night Surfer is stupid. Harry is and was and should be Green Goblin 2 just like he was in the comics and the cartoon. There is no reason what so ever to deviate this far and I am shocked Raimi is doing it. It is the same exact thing as I have already mentioned as changing Flint Marko's look and calling him DirtGuy or having Venom called AntiSpider-Man. The only plausible reason for Harry changing so drastically is that he is being dumbed down so that the general audience can make the difference.

spidermanhero12...what if they updated Lizard's costume and made him a gecko that could crawl up walls and fight Spider-Man? What if he wore a black lab coat and denim shorts? What would you say then?

 

[chaseter]

now I see. well even though he probably IS a goblin like you said, it wouldn't make sense in the story for harry to actually wear the Green Goblin costume or else he would be permanetley on the evil side.

There is no probably about it. Harry is a goblin and should be Green Goblin 2. The suit doesn't make the wearer evil...this isn't the symbiote. Peter could put on the Green Goblin suit and go around and save people...it doesn't mean he would instantly turn psycho and kill people. Harry is also trying to kill Peter...how more evil can you get?

 

[Venom 1988]

it wouldn't make sense in the story for harry to actually wear the Green Goblin costume or else he would be permanetley on the evil side.

Ok I keep on hearing you say this, why do you think this? Just becauase if he were to wear the GG costume, that would in way mean he is permanetley on the evil side. If that were indeed the case, he would have never saved Peter in the comics.

 

[chaseter]

or maby he practice after his father was killed. Its been 4 years im sure harry had time to practice

Harry just found his father's Goblin stuff after SM2...remember. He wouldn't be practicing building gliders if he didn't know who the Goblin really was. Plus it hasn't been 4 years since his father died. SM3 happens right after SM2.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

spidermanhero12...what if they updated Lizard's costume and made him a gecko that could crawl up walls and fight Spider-Man? What if he wore a black lab coat and denim shorts? What would you say then?

I would say that I didn't like it.

Ok I keep on hearing you say this, why do you think this? Just becauase if he were to wear the GG costume, that would in way mean he is permanetley on the evil side. If that were indeed the case, he would have never saved Peter in the comics.

let me start over. what I meant was that his father would continue to haunt him and encourage him even more if he wore the goblin costume. sorry if you miss-read my post.

There is no probably about it. Harry is a goblin and should be Green Goblin 2. The suit doesn't make the wearer evil...this isn't the symbiote. Peter could put on the Green Goblin suit and go around and save people...it doesn't mean he would instantly turn psycho and kill people. Harry is also trying to kill Peter...how more evil can you get?

trying to kill more than one person is even more evil. I understand harry can die a hero while wearing the goblin suit but in the movies would it look right? I mean all new yorkers will know who that person wearing the goblin costume is which would make for confusion in the films.