The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[Nina7]

As cool as that spoiler is, Devin is a complete dip**** and I don't trust a word he says.

I concur. Devin is quite unpleasant and I wouldn't trust him either.

As I recall, he was very negative towards Batman Begins. He also seems to have a rather unhealthy dislike for Bale. Read Devin's Prestige review, it's so anti-Bale that one would think that Bale had personally insulted everyone in Devin's family.

 

[David Rice]

What? all we know is maroni scared denti ncourt. having him protecitng rachel isnt destroying anything.

No, I don't mean that. I mean this **** about protecting her and joker being behind the hole thing. BULL****!!!!!!!

The Long Halloween! Read it!

 

[David Rice]

I concur. Devin is quite unpleasant and I wouldn't trust him either.

As I recall, he was very negative towards Batman Begins. He also seems to have a rather unhealthy dislike for Bale. Read Devin's Prestige review, it's so anti-Bale that one would think that Bale had personally insulted everyone in Devin's family.

Yep! I agree! Jackass!

 

[Miranda Fox]

I concur. Devin is quite unpleasant and I wouldn't trust him either.

As I recall, he was very negative towards Batman Begins. He also seems to have a rather unhealthy dislike for Bale. Read Devin's Prestige review, it's so anti-Bale that one would think that Bale had personally insulted everyone in Devin's family.

Oh, he's one of those people who thinks Christian just 'plays the same roles' all the time. I didn't know he'd got that bad though...further proof of his utter twuntishness.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Agreed about that last one.

Otherwise, yes, I agree it is a nice concept and a fresh take on Dent's scarring.

I still don't trust the source though.

I think it has some interesting connotations for sure and the love triangle is getting dull in these films

Neither do i

 

[CConn]

I'm going to have to be the first one that says this idea sucks balls.

Don't go changing around stuff. The Joker should not have anything to do with Dent becoming Two Face and neither should Rachel.

This is the problem we had with the first Batman. Why change something when it already works. If It's not broken, don't fix it.

It's a "problem" we had with Batman Begins.

Ra's Al Ghul didn't have anything to do with Batman's creation. Henry Ducard was an actual guy, and not a disguise for Ra's. The Scarecrow never did business with Ra's, he never ran Arkham Asylum. Hell, Rachel doesn't even exist in comics.

Now, if you enjoy Batman Begins (maybe you don't, I dunno), why would you now have a problem with this change being done in TDK? Or rather, how could you not expect a change like this in TDK? The exact same kind of thing has happened in not only every Batman movie, but every superhero movie released thus far.

 

[David Rice]

It's a "problem" we had with Batman Begins.

Ra's Al Ghul didn't have anything to do with Batman's creation. Henry Ducard was an actual guy, and not a disguise for Ra's. The Scarecrow never did business with Ra's, he never ran Arkham Asylum. Hell, Rachel doesn't even exist in comics.

Now, if you enjoy Batman Begins (maybe you don't, I dunno), why would you now have a problem with this change being done in TDK? Or rather, how could you not expect a change like this in TDK? The exact same kind of thing has happened in not only every Batman movie, but every superhero movie released thus far.

The "problem" we had with Begins and Batman were not even the same thing. Everything you just talked about didn't change the outcome of the film. It only added to it. Making the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne parents changed the out come of the film. HE HAD TO DIE! It made the film more dramatic.

If the Joker is behind Dent getting scared, Two Face would wage no stop war against him. The Joker would do the same. THEY WOULD KILL EACH OTHER! Changing the outcome of the film.

Oh, your last statment is wrong by the way.

 

[The Only Woj]

I'm not sure if I like the Joker scarring Dent. The reason for me is that I would think that, while he wants to capture a murderer, Dent almost doesn't mind that the Joker is killing mob members. Batman is on the side of good, Joker is on the side of bad, and Dent is swaying around the center point of the two. might be interesting if you find out later some of the murders that happened weren't the Joker at all, but were actually Dent (maybe not all of them, but some).

 

[David Rice]

I'm not sure if I like the Joker scarring Dent. The reason for me is that I would think that, while he wants to capture a murderer, Dent almost doesn't mind that the Joker is killing mob members. Batman is on the side of good, Joker is on the side of bad, and Dent is swaying around the center point of the two. might be interesting if you find out later some of the murders that happened weren't the Joker at all, but were actually Dent (maybe not all of them, but some).

Thank you Woj! You da man! I agree!

 

[batman44]

Gimme alittle bit of both, but more on the crushed by Gotham's corruption side.

 

[Johnichi Chiba]

I'm not sure if I like the Joker scarring Dent. The reason for me is that I would think that, while he wants to capture a murderer, Dent almost doesn't mind that the Joker is killing mob members. Batman is on the side of good, Joker is on the side of bad, and Dent is swaying around the center point of the two. might be interesting if you find out later some of the murders that happened weren't the Joker at all, but were actually Dent (maybe not all of them, but some).

I agree with this. However, one of the main reasons why I don't like the idea of Joker scarring Dent is because the birth of Two Face should happen as a result of the escalation of the war between Gotham's old mobsters versus the freaks. Having a mobster scar Dent would make more sense if they were going with that story point.

 

[StorminNorman]

The easiest way to make sure I do not like TDK is for Nolan to copy the Timm/Dini Two Face.

If he does it, so help me CConn I am going to hunt down that Brit and turn him into tea

 

[The Only Woj]

I agree with this. However, one of the main reasons why I don't like the idea of Joker scarring Dent is because the birth of Two Face should happen as a result of the escalation of the war between Gotham's old mobsters versus the freaks. Having a mobster scar Dent would make more sense if they were going with that story point.

Dent becomes a 'freak' himself. by being scarred by the Joker, you assume the Joker is his enemy. I'd rather it be someone in the mob. That way, you have Dent and Batman trying to by the books fight crime; and then later have Joker and Two-Face killing off the mob for their own personal control issues. I just hope none of us come up with an idea that turns out to be better than whatever Nolan gives us in TDK. condensing Joker and Dent/Two-Face into one two hour film is going to be a big challenge.

 

[David Rice]

I agree with this. However, one of the main reasons why I don't like the idea of Joker scarring Dent is because the birth of Two Face should happen as a result of the escalation of the war between Gotham's old mobsters versus the freaks. Having a mobster scar Dent would make more sense if they were going with that story point.

YES! You da man Super!

 

[stackhouse64]

With all the kill Rachel thread & some bashing posts because of Selina and Talia fans maybe Nolan wanted to show some fans who's the boss.
How funny it will be if Rachel has more screentime than Alfred and Gordon.
Same with Bosworth who said Lois Lane will have a bigger story arc for the next Superman or did I read it wrong maybe have a spin off on Lois Lane? Yikes.

 

[The Only Woj]

With all the kill Rachel thread & some bashing posts because of Selina and Talia fans maybe Nolan wanted to show some fans who's the boss.
How funny it will be if Rachel has more screentime than Alfred and Gordon.
Same with Bosworth who said Lois Lane will have a bigger story arc for the next Superman or did I read it wrong maybe have a spin off on Lois Lane? Yikes.

who the hell woudl watch a Lois Lane movie? and she was nearly the central character in Returns. between Bosworth and her forehead and collar bones that could kill, she had enough screentime in Returns.

screentime:
Bruce/Batman, Dent, Gordon, Alfred, Joker, Rachel

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Is that whole Jamie Foxx as Dent a rumor someone started or an early April's fool joke?

 

[CConn]

The "problem" we had with Begins and Batman were not even the same thing. Everything you just talked about didn't change the outcome of the film. It only added to it. Making the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne parents changed the out come of the film. HE HAD TO DIE! It made the film more dramatic.

If the Joker is behind Dent getting scared, Two Face would wage no stop war against him. The Joker would do the same. THEY WOULD KILL EACH OTHER! Changing the outcome of the film..

Hmm. You make a good point. However, you overlook one thing, I think. Why do they have to kill each other? Obviously, they'd try to kill each other, they'd want to kill each other, but I don't think there situation is quite like B89's where a death is a necessity for closure with the film. Joker won't be protagonist of any of the films. And I think that changes the situation a great deal.

In fact, I must say, I do sorta see why Nolan might want that...duel to the death between Joker and Two-Face. Having them pitted against each other would make one hell of a subplot, at least.

 

[itsthebatman]

and then Rachel slaps him twice on his scarred side of the face

Dude, you really have a complex about Rachel slapping people. You must have loved that scene in BB.

 

[ghost_x]

I think it was as serious a rumour as the one's like matt damon, josh (the one from hulk) and guy pearce. With rumours you can never be sure if they were real until confirmation

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Is that whole Jamie Foxx as Dent a rumor someone started or an early April's fool joke?

I think it was just some kind of offshoot rumor of Denzel Washington.

 

[itsthebatman]

I am not that opinionated on the issue.

He-he-he.

 

[Arkard]

If he does it, so help me CConn I am going to hunt down that Brit and turn him into tea

What type of tea?

 

[itsthebatman]

What type of tea?

I was wondering that myself. Peppermint or Earl Grey. 'Make it so'.

 

[Octoberist]

Devin of Chud tries too hard to be so self-important. He can be funny, but he's the worst thing on that site. I really miss Nick..