The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[StorminNorman]

She was pretty awful in V (her accent wasn't even close), Leon she was still a little kid and I don't think that classifies her for catwoman, and frankly she was awful in star wars (poor script or not). The only film I praise her acting skills is closer, but one movie isn't convincing me she is right for the role, so I fail to see what has made her the most respected actress of her age, apart from being a very intelligent woman.

If you feel that she has not proven herself as an actor, I am not going to convince you. Just know that your opinion goes against public opinion which is what is truly the topic of discussion. It is not whether you could buy her as Catwoman, but whether the general audience could.

 

[ghost_x]

it looks like a CG rendering and I've seen no picture that she looks sexy in to me, unfrotuantly thats just my feelings

 

[FlawlessVictory]

it looks like a CG rendering and I've seen no picture that she looks sexy in to me, unfrotuantly thats just my feelings

Still no?

 

[ghost_x]

If you feel that she has not proven herself as an actor, I am not going to convince you. Just know that your opinion goes against public opinion which is what is truly the topic of discussion. It is not whether you could buy her as Catwoman, but whether the general audience could.

actually it's whether Chris Nolan can buy her s catwman, because if he feels the same way I do, than no mtter how many hundreds of people feel how you do will make her catwoman

 

[ghost_x]

Still no?

That does help , but still she's too skinny and her being naked sways my feelings too much

 

[Crooklyn]

I'm gonna have to agree, I think she looks too young and too small for this role. We need a WOMAN here people, I think Portman is still in between cute girl and classy grown-up.

 

[ghost_x]

^ the truth

 

[Mr. Thing]

Still no?

Not exactly sexy when her rib cage is poking out.

 

[Two-Face]

Oh no anywhere but not Metropolis.

 

[FaT_tONle]

just like Superman was spotted in Gotham in SR--a connection that will possibly lead up to Superman vs. Batman?

Agree completely... that news report in SR couldn't be more obvious... now that Batman franchise needs to return the serve... Wolrd's FInest has to be made and WB knows it

 

[batman7289]

is this a harvey dent thread?

 

[thorstone]

Eckhart has a stronger chin that the guy playing the Joker.

 

[ghost_x]

Let's hope for your sake that they feel the urge during shooting to just...swap characters

 

[Lucid]

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[NinjaTurtleFan]

I'd rather see Joker kill Rachel than see Dent try and protect her, but here's my theory...

If Dent were to stand in the way of the acid-to-the-face-crossfire than maybe Rachel would feel responsible for his creation, blame herself, go insane, and committ suicide.

Sorry if I'm thinking inhumane, but I just really am a Rachel-hater. To me her character didn't really bare any gravitas, or significance, or any kind of connotation. She just seemed like she was thrown in to be some kind of MJ to Bruce. I hope she gets whacked, or least skips town, because we need Selina Kyle, Vicki Vale, Pamela Isley, Talia, and other of Batman's flames to step in.

 

[David Rice]

Joker did NOT have to die for it to be dramatic. Burton made a poor choice to have Joker be the killer of Bruce's parents, and he made another poor choice by having the Joker die instead of being put into Arkham.

Burton didn't make that choice. And the way the story was writen, yes he did have to die.

Have you seen Minority Report? Tom Cruise's character finally finds the man who he believes kidnapped and killed his son years ago, maybe even sexually abused him, but he demonstrates the incredible willpower to arrest him instead of killing him. And that was a very dramatic scene.

Yep, I have. Great film! But Batman didn't kill the Joker he just wanted to stop him from getting away.

(I'm not some big fan of Minority Report, it just came to mind.)

 

[David Rice]

Burton didn't have a ton of control. Seeing as the cathedral scene was largely Jon Peters', I wouldn't be surprised if it was his doing

Yep! Thanks Woj!

 

[David Rice]

Hmm. You make a good point. However, you overlook one thing, I think. Why do they have to kill each other? Obviously, they'd try to kill each other, they'd want to kill each other, but I don't think there situation is quite like B89's where a death is a necessity for closure with the film. Joker won't be protagonist of any of the films. And I think that changes the situation a great deal.

In fact, I must say, I do sorta see why Nolan might want that...duel to the death between Joker and Two-Face. Having them pitted against each other would make one hell of a subplot, at least.

Alright, alright.. I'm with ya on that one. I just think Dent should be scared by Moroni. t:

 

[David Rice]

Batman Begins changed a lot of details from comics and it still worked and was true to the core elements. From the sound of it, Dent is still an attorney looking for Justice who gets scarred by a criminal, in court. That´s the most important. Even his origin had different approaches in comics. I mean, iniitially his only reason to be Two-Face was the scarring...

True, but you need to read post 84 and 92. And what comis have you read that had different approaches to his origin?

 

[David Rice]

You know a lot about the outcome of the movie for someone who didn´t see it.

Never said I did jackass, just going by what I know of the charcters of the coimcs and how they would react.

 

[StorminNorman]

The "problem" we had with Begins and Batman were not even the same thing. Everything you just talked about didn't change the outcome of the film. It only added to it. Making the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne parents changed the out come of the film. HE HAD TO DIE! It made the film more dramatic.

If the Joker is behind Dent getting scared, Two Face would wage no stop war against him. The Joker would do the same. THEY WOULD KILL EACH OTHER! Changing the outcome of the film.

Oh, your last statment is wrong by the way.

Actually I think a more powerful and dramatic statement would of been made if The Batman made sure The Joker lived. Batman 89 showed Batman to be a bit as a crazy as the same criminal he sought to fight, by showing his humanity in sparing the life of the Joker, something the Joker did not do to his parents - he would of established himself as more than just another freak in a costume.

What if Two Face feels a bit thankful for what the Joker has done to him - like it has freed him? Through scaring Dent, the Joker has allowed Harvey Two Face to become the person needed to enact "true justice" to Gotham. That wouldn't change the outcome at all.

 

[David Rice]

Actually I think a more powerful and dramatic statement would of been made if The Batman made sure The Joker lived. Batman 89 showed Batman to be a bit as a crazy as the same criminal he sought to fight, by showing his humanity in sparing the life of the Joker, something the Joker did not do to his parents - he would of established himself as more than just another freak in a costume.

What if Two Face feels a bit thankful for what the Joker has done to him - like it has freed him? Through scaring Dent, the Joker has allowed Harvey Two Face to become the person needed to enact "true justice" to Gotham. That wouldn't change the outcome at all.

I like your way of thinking Norman! Really good points, best I heard yet!

And one more thing has Two Face ever been called "Harvey Two Face" other than the terror of film BF? If not, let's please get way from that..... t:

 

[Ceb-Man]

And as a result, Dent hates Joker, and it causes a Three-Way-Fight between Batman, Joker, and Two-Face in the third movie!!!!

And that's what I hope in the next sequel!!
Lots of Two-Face as him being the main villian though!! Joker should have some limelight, but his spotlight should be TDK!

 

[Ceb-Man]

Actually I think a more powerful and dramatic statement would of been made if The Batman made sure The Joker lived. Batman 89 showed Batman to be a bit as a crazy as the same criminal he sought to fight, by showing his humanity in sparing the life of the Joker, something the Joker did not do to his parents - he would of established himself as more than just another freak in a costume.

What if Two Face feels a bit thankful for what the Joker has done to him - like it has freed him? Through scaring Dent, the Joker has allowed Harvey Two Face to become the person needed to enact "true justice" to Gotham. That wouldn't change the outcome at all.

Good points Norman!

 

[JackBauer24]

Hey, anything that can get him from

to

is fine by me. You always need both internal and external factors for the tragic hero. That's what tragedy is - internal flaws that are set off by external events.