The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[Agentsands77]

Man... I mistakenly read a reviewer's comment on the fate of Two Face at IMDB. Came here to get it confirmed or denied and many denied it... until a day ago when these Two Face speculations came back.

****... I really hope that doesn't happen.

Well, Devin of CHUD has weighed in on the subject, so we know the answer.

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Two-Face dies.

 

[MaceB]

If they kill off Two Face, then that's my first big complaint about the plot. I figured that TDK would show how many of it's characters fall from grace while Batman 3 would show how they are ultimately redeemed.
Okay...this may be dumb, but I had this scenario in my head in which Two Face somehow kills off Robin's folks, making Bruce adopt him. Throughout the story, Robin (no costume) wants to kill Two Face, but - by the end - Two Face realizes he needs help and sacrifices himself or turns himself in. Batman and Robin would thus find out that real salvation comes through understanding and empathy rather than violence. Sounds kinda corny I guess.... but just in general I assumed that TDK was about despair and failure while B3 would be about hope and redemption. Two Face would be the PERFECT character for that, and that's why it would be a shame to waste him.

 

[Agentsands77]

If they kill off Two Face, then that's my first big complaint about the plot.

It's no longer an "if."

 

[DW4]

I won't believe anything until I see it on the big screen for myself.

 

[xero1186]

Since Ledger cannot reprise his Joker role, I would rather love to see the Mad Hatter in the big screen. Hes a better villain than the Riddler in my opinion.

You get a golden star. I like your thinking


I had this whole plot line in my head from (i can't remember) either dark victory or haunted knight where gordon's daughter goes out and hatter grabs her and tries to make her his alice.

I can dream....oh, I can dream.

Loves me some hatter

 

[regwec]

It's no longer an "if."

What a dreadful idea. Still, with the loss of Ra's, The Joker (one assumes, after Ledger's passing, and

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Dent

, we will soon be out of bankable villains, and another reboot will come sooner rather than later.

 

[Da_Dent]

any word on what type of coin harvey is using?

 

[redfirebird2008]

No one should complain until they've seen the frickin' movie. From what I have read, it sounds like one of the most epic, tragic, and iconic endings all rolled into the same footage.

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And a certain character's death actually seems appropriate at that point because he literally has nothing to live for at the point he dies.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

No one should complain until they've seen the frickin' movie. From what I have read, it sounds like one of the most epic, tragic, and iconic endings all rolled into the same footage.

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And a certain character's death actually seems appropriate at that point because he literally has nothing to live for at the point he dies.

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The fact that he has nothing to live for and has turned into a killer is what makes him a great villian. Why kill off a great villian as soon as the origin is complete?

 

[redfirebird2008]

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The fact that he has nothing to live for and has turned into a killer is what makes him a great villian. Why kill off a great villian as soon as the origin is complete?

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Because he's not a villain except for his final act of the movie, and it's really just an act of revenge over something he blames Gordon for. His other "bad" acts in TDK are the acts of a vigilante, a man who takes Batman's crimefighting to a new level by simply offing the bad guys that deserve it.

 

[Oryon]

I guess I'm in the minority. I actually like the idea of Two Face dying in TDK. I think it makes Harvey Dent's downfall that much more tragic and Two Face that much more interesting. The problem I have, is with Two Face being dead and The Joker presumably not returning, where does Nolan go from here? Are there really any villains left that are as extreme and interesting as Two Face and The Joker?

Like Agentsands said (which whom I completely agree with) beyond the Two Face origin and his immediate appearance, there really isn't anything that interesting left. HIs death leaves the audience with a "what could have been" feeling which is very thought provoking.

Looking at it from a realistic angle, how long would a man as seriously scarred and insane as Harvey live? Not long in my opinion.

 

[ronny]

But Two-Face doesn't have a death wish. He has things to live for. He still wants to clean up the city but his appraoch becomes totally amoral. For instance, he probably hates the freaks but will work with them to remove someone he sees as the biggest threat to the city (Batman).
He's a man with a clear, defined mission. He's not the type of guy to become suicidal. Because he feels that the accident opened his eyes to what had to be done.

 

[redfirebird2008]

But Two-Face doesn't have a death wish. He has things to live for. He still wants to clean up the city but his appraoch becomes totally amoral. For instance, he probably hates the freaks but will work with them to remove someone he sees as the biggest threat to the city (Batman).
He's a man with a clear, defined mission. He's not the type of guy to become suicidal. Because he feels that the accident opened his eyes to what had to be done.

I can see this side of the argument, but I can easily see the other side of the argument too. This is NOT a Venom situation like SM3. Nolan is very much using this entire movie to tell the tragedy of Harvey Dent. Raimi didn't attempt any kind of character development whatsoever with Brock/Venom. The over-reaction to this is pretty annoying in my opinion, because I personally think that either direction works with Two-Face. I think this makes the movie feel more tragic and more epic, yet at the same time of course it prevents Two-Face from carrying a 3rd Nolan film. And I would not be surprised if Nolan is just going out with a bang and this is it for him.

The only villain that should not ever die in a Batman movie is the Joker.

 

[Batman jr.]

What happened to the rumour that Gordon fakes his death? and his wife blames Batman?

I thought it was on the sides!

Another reason why I don't trust these "reviews"....

 

[Oryon]

..or maybe you shouldn't trust the sides.

 

[redfirebird2008]

What happened to the rumour that Gordon fakes his death? and his wife blames Batman?

I thought it was on the sides!

Another reason why I don't trust these "reviews"....

Devin from CHUD said that

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Gordon does fake his death.

 

[donk70]

What a dreadful idea. Still, with the loss of Ra's, The Joker (one assumes, after Ledger's passing, and

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Dent

, we will soon be out of bankable villains, and another reboot will come sooner rather than later.

Yup

What took Raimi 3 movies to do, Nolan did with 2.

Heck, he's on par with Schumacher

 

[redfirebird2008]

Yup

What took Raimi 3 movies to do, Nolan did with 2.

Heck, he's on par with Schumacher

 

[Antrax255]

I was assuming that he became Two-Face at the end of the movie but if he's Two-Face for the last 30 minutes then that's great. Unlike Venom who was in it for 10 minutes and arch was rushed really served no purpose.

 

[SpiderWill]

Bare in mind that at the end of Dark Victory, which is technically the 2nd part of the Long Halloween (an admitted influence on The Dark Knight) -

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Harvey does seem to plummet to his death.

 

[Gianakin_]

Bare in mind that at the end of Dark Victory, which is technically the 2nd part of the Long Halloween (an admitted influence on The Dark Knight) -

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Harvey does seem to plummet to his death.

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Yes, but recent reports say that Dent's dead body and funeral are shown on film. They make it too final.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I was assuming that he became Two-Face at the end of the movie but if he's Two-Face for the last 30 minutes then that's great. Unlike Venom who was in it for 10 minutes and arch was rushed really served no purpose.

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He is Two-Face around the 2-hour mark and goes on a rampage after Rachel's death. Kills a bunch of bad mobster guys. Basically takes Batman's vigilantism one step further. Then kidnaps Gordon's family because he blames Gordon for Rachel's death. Then Batman shows up just in time to save Gordon's son. That's when Dent's demise occurs.

 

[SpiderWill]

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Yes, but recent reports say that Dent's dead body and funeral are shown on film. They make it too final.

Well that's might be disappointing. on the other hand, the Batman movies don't have the luxury of being serials like the comic books, so I think if they can tell the main points of Harvey's character before he dies that's fine with me. So long as they don't make a habit of killing them all off and that's mainly for 2 reasons:
1. The growing villain population in Gotham is a important part of the story.

2. Batman's refusal to kill is VITAL to his character.

 

[Schlosser85]

Yup

What took Raimi 3 movies to do, Nolan did with 2.

Heck, he's on par with Schumacher

Give me a freakin break.

 

[Gallagher]

Wait

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So it's official Dent dies, funeral and everything? No comic book death that he can easily come back from? Eg. Explosion or falling into an abyss of somesort?

Damn. I'm very dissapointed. What the hell Nolan? Kill off your last interesting villian why don't you.